Telepathy and telekinesis

Kylie said:

So now you say you don't have anything more than a gut feeling?

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I never said I had a "gut feeling;" I said exactly what I meant.

EDIT: Yes, I misread your post and I initially answered as if I do not have anything more than a gut feeling.

Kaon said:

Yes.

No, respectively.

(I misread your earlier post; I meant "no".)

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So you claim to have something testable that shows that people can be telekinetic if they believe that they are, yet you are unwilling to share it.

So, that's basically a no then.

Kylie said:

So, that's basically a no then.

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Yes, that is the C.F. reduction process, yet that is not what I said.

I just don't want to show you, or any of the C.F. lot. No longer do I waste that kind of resource on the C.F. lot that not only idolized debate more than substance, but also remains incredulous and argumentative in the face of evidence they don't understand or care to acknowledge. It took a while for me to realize what this place is but I get it. It won't matter what I put up here; there will always be an argument just because. It is futiluty.

I said exactly what I meant - sometimes twice. If you want to interpolate what you think I mean, that is your prerogative. It doesn't make you right; it makes you right for C.F. - which is a laughable stance in reality at best.

Kaon said:

Yes, that is the C.F. reduction process, yet that is not what I said.

I just don't want to show you, or any of the C.F. lot. No longer do I waste that kind of resource on the C.F. lot that not only idolized debate more than substance, but also remains incredulous and argumentative in the face of evidence they don't understand or care to acknowledge. It took a while for me to realize what this place is but I get it. It won't matter what I put up here; there will always be an argument just because. It is futiluty.

I said exactly what I meant - sometimes twice. If you want to interpolate what you think I mean, that is your prerogative. It doesn't make you right; it makes you right for C.F. - which is a laughable stance in reality at best.

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I love this. You made a claim, you failed to back it up, and yet now I am the unreasonable one for not believing that claim.

Kaon said:

Yes, that is the C.F. reduction process, yet that is not what I said.

I just don't want to show you, or any of the C.F. lot. No longer do I waste that kind of resource on the C.F. lot that not only idolized debate more than substance, but also remains incredulous and argumentative in the face of evidence they don't understand or care to acknowledge. It took a while for me to realize what this place is but I get it. It won't matter what I put up here; there will always be an argument just because. It is futiluty.

I said exactly what I meant - sometimes twice. If you want to interpolate what you think I mean, that is your prerogative. It doesn't make you right; it makes you right for C.F. - which is a laughable stance in reality at best.

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You appear to be in the wrong forum (not just the Creation & Evolution forums); this is the Physical & Life Sciences forum, where there is a 'burden of proof', i.e. you're expected to defend or support your claims with some form of evidence or reasoned argument - Hitchen's Razor applies to empty claims, "What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence."

I strikes me that your excuse is very similar to that used by flat-Earthers, "there's no point giving evidence, you won't accept it..."

Kylie said:

I love this. You made a claim, you failed to back it up, and yet now I am the unreasonable one for not believing that claim.

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Ok.

FrumiousBandersnatch said:

You appear to be in the wrong forum (not just the Creation & Evolution forums); this is the Physical & Life Sciences forum, where there is a 'burden of proof', i.e. you're expected to defend or support your claims with some form of evidence or reasoned argument - Hitchen's Razor applies to empty claims, "What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence."

I strikes me that your excuse is very similar to that used by flat-Earthers, "there's no point giving evidence, you won't accept it..."

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Ok.

Kaon said:

Ok.

Ok.

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If you aren't prepared to back up your position, why did you even post in this thread?

Kaon said:

Yes.

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So Kaon, do you know how to sharpen telekinesis or move from macro to micro,are there any training guidelines?

Joemmm said:

So Kaon, do you know how to sharpen telekinesis or move from macro to micro,are there any training guidelines?

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There are several mental exercises that can be used to 1) determine if you have latent psionic abilities, and 2) strengthen the execution of those abilities. As a Christian, you would want to ask your Father before getting into the practices of developing an "ability" - He could already have you dormant, and He could develop your ability better than any book, mystic or created entity. It can also be very dangerous, because it is a spiritual exploit, which means you open yourself up to that world. Technically, prophecy is a psionic ability: you are communicating with [the Most High] through means that are not by voice, and you have the ability to determine events before they happen through communication with the Most High. Prophecy is precognition via Divine language - a very powerful ability.

Most people have a latent ability already, but never sharpen it because they have been led to believe it is weird, or it is socially unacceptable to speak about. I don't practice any exercises; I am not psionic.

Kaon said:

There are several mental exercises that can be used to 1) determine if you have latent psionic abilities, and 2) strengthen the execution of those abilities. As a Christian, you would want to ask your Father before getting into the practices of developing an "ability" - He could already have you dormant, and He could develop your ability better than any book, mystic or created entity. It can also be very dangerous, because it is a spiritual exploit, which means you open yourself up to that world. Technically, prophecy is a psionic ability: you are communicating with [the Most High] through means that are not by voice, and you have the ability to determine events before they happen through communication with the Most High. Prophecy is precognition via Divine language - a very powerful ability.

Most people have a latent ability already, but never sharpen it because they have been led to believe it is weird, or it is socially unacceptable to speak about. I don't practice any exercises; I am not psionic.

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Can you provide any verifiable information at all to show that any person at all has ever displayed any psionic powers?

Kaon said:

There are several mental exercises that can be used to 1) determine if you have latent psionic abilities, and 2) strengthen the execution of those abilities. As a Christian, you would want to ask your Father before getting into the practices of developing an "ability" - He could already have you dormant, and He could develop your ability better than any book, mystic or created entity. It can also be very dangerous, because it is a spiritual exploit, which means you open yourself up to that world. Technically, prophecy is a psionic ability: you are communicating with [the Most High] through means that are not by voice, and you have the ability to determine events before they happen through communication with the Most High. Prophecy is precognition via Divine language - a very powerful ability.

Most people have a latent ability already, but never sharpen it because they have been led to believe it is weird, or it is socially unacceptable to speak about. I don't practice any exercises; I am not psionic.

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well when I had spiritual fathers they knew about the abilities to some extend as they were not developed yet.
about being open to the world; I am aware of that and I think God is leading me to the safe way.
however I would like some guidance to these mental exercises to their links

@Kaon are you still around?

Kylie said:

Can you provide any verifiable information at all to show that any person at all has ever displayed any psionic powers?

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Yes, I can. Will I? No.

Joemmm said:

well when I had spiritual fathers they knew about the abilities to some extend as they were not developed yet.
about being open to the world; I am aware of that and I think God is leading me to the safe way.
however I would like some guidance to these mental exercises to their links

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Everything about training online isn't complete or proper; you will have to find someone who knows, which means you will have to trust one of very few powered people to teach you how to develop you power (in a competitive spiritual and material world.) That is why I said you should ask your Father (not earthly one).

You could always join the clandestine and or occult, but it can be *hard* to leave.

Kaon said:

Yes, I can. Will I? No.

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Then that is no different than being unable to support your claim.

I mean, if you had the evidence to back up your claims, why wouldn't you want to produce it and show everyone how incredibly wrong I am?

Kylie said:

Then that is no different than being unable to support your claim.

I mean, if you had the evidence to back up your claims, why wouldn't you want to produce it and show everyone how incredibly wrong I am?

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I suspect he feels we are not worthy of being made aware of the powerful evidence supporting his beliefs. Plus, there is the risk that we will mock it, denigrate it, refute it, disprove it, undermine it, demonstrate its irrelevance, its inconsistencies, its illogical elements. .

Kylie said:

Then that is no different than being unable to support your claim.

I mean, if you had the evidence to back up your claims, why wouldn't you want to produce it and show everyone how incredibly wrong I am?

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Because you being wrong doesn't matter in the world of people with psionic ability, just like people who don't believe the earth is round likely don't matter in the world of many scientifically learned people. Your luxury to be ignorant of a reality you don't understand does not mean everyone who is a part of that reality is required to teach you about it. However, your ignorance can be a threat (just like flat earthers are an intellectual threat to many scientifically learned people) in the sense that you just don;t realize how much you have ignored to believe what you believe - even though you think you are right.


You are an adult; I cannot change your mind and I don't actually want to. I told you exactly what I meant, as I have told everyone else on this thread. You just don't like my answers - which is perfectly fine.

Ophiolite said:

I suspect he feels we are not worthy of being made aware of the powerful evidence supporting his beliefs. Plus, there is the risk that we will mock it, denigrate it, refute it, disprove it, undermine it, demonstrate its irrelevance, its inconsistencies, its illogical elements. .

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No, that is not it at all. I said exactly what I meant in post 77.

It isn't about "worth of the person" it is part discernment and more parts about waste of time. But, why would my idea of your worth matter to you as an adult? You don't know me; you don't even know if I am human. You all, I assume, are adults; there is no amount of evidence that can convince anyone of anything unless one wants to be convinced. You are agnostic; you should understand this.

You have plenty of legitimate places to begin or discourse if you actually wanted to learn about telepathy and its reality - starting with declassified files, or even the Library of Congress. There are also well-funded think tanks that seek to juxtaposition what you would call psionic abilities with technology, and some private labs offer some literature on how to manipulate genetics to evolve certain abilities out of generations. Some of it may not be the most humane or PG types of information, but as said if your intention is to learn and/or discuss from an open perspective, there are plenty of places to begin other than a thread about telepathy... placed in the Physical and Life Sciences forum.

Intellectual trolling is obvious even through the internet, and there is a lot of that on these forums.

Kaon said:

No, that is not it at all. I said exactly what I meant in post 77.

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You opened that post with these words:

Kaon said:

Because you being wrong doesn't matter in the world of people with psionic ability, just like people who don't believe the earth is round likely don't matter in the world of many scientifically learned people.
It isn't about "worth of the person" it is part discernment and more parts about waste of time.

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That seems about as close as you can get to saying in your world view the non-believers are not important, they are not worthy. And you wouldn't want to waste time on someone who wasn't worth it, or worthy of your investment of time. But, c'est la vie, you tell me I'm wrong.

Kaon said:

But, why would my idea of your worth matter to you as an adult? .

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It doesn't. I was interested in the pathology of your mindset, which I think you understand appears delusional to some. The alternation of claims, increasing in magnitude, with refusal to share "the secrets", for which you dropped tentative hints, was suggestive, though not conclusive.

Kaon said:

You don't know me; you don't even know if I am human. You all, I assume, are adults; there is no amount of evidence that can convince anyone of anything unless one wants to be convinced. You are agnostic; you should understand this.

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What a bizarre misunderstanding of how sceptical thinking and rational thought are applied. CF is a treasure trove of the unusual. I have been convinced of many things that I was most strongly opposed to because that is where the evidence pointed. Frankly, any other approach is insane, and certainly not proper behaviour for an adult. (I mention adults, only because you seem to have a thing about them.)

Kaon said:

You have plenty of legitimate places to begin or discourse if you actually wanted to learn about telepathy and its reality - starting with declassified files, or even the Library of Congress. There are also well-funded think tanks that seek to juxtaposition what you would call psionic abilities with technology, and some private labs offer some literature on how to manipulate genetics to evolve certain abilities out of generations. Some of it may not be the most humane or PG types of information, but as said if your intention is to learn and/or discuss from an open perspective, there are plenty of places to begin other than a thread about telepathy... placed in the Physical and Life Sciences forum.

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I experimented with telepathy, clairvoyance, telekinesis, seances, and the like quite extensively in my youth. (I wasn't yet an adult, so perhaps you think that shouldn't count.)
Now, would you care to give the contact details for one of these "well-funded think tanks", or "private labs" who offer literature on genetic manipulation? Couldn't you just point me to the peer reviewed journal this literature was published in? Ah, but they are "private labs". Of course.

As a matter of courtesy, if I make an assertion on a forum and am then questioned on it, I don't waffle, I do my best to provide answers. Of course, since you are an adult, I don't expect to be able to convince you that that would be the courteous thing to do.

Kaon said:

Intellectual trolling is obvious even through the internet, and there is a lot of that on these forums.

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Yes. I rather think there is.

Kaon said:

Because you being wrong doesn't matter in the world of people with psionic ability, just like people who don't believe the earth is round likely don't matter in the world of many scientifically learned people. Your luxury to be ignorant of a reality you don't understand does not mean everyone who is a part of that reality is required to teach you about it. However, your ignorance can be a threat (just like flat earthers are an intellectual threat to many scientifically learned people) in the sense that you just don;t realize how much you have ignored to believe what you believe - even though you think you are right.


You are an adult; I cannot change your mind and I don't actually want to. I told you exactly what I meant, as I have told everyone else on this thread. You just don't like my answers - which is perfectly fine.

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Sure. Totally convincing.

All you've got a grandiose claims, and when it comes time to back them up, you hide from the challenge. You've got nothing and I think you're making excuses because you know you;ve got nothing.