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I am looking for an approach to Christianity that works. I've tried many churches, many popular pastors like Joel Osteen, Andy Stanley, Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, and others, and many approaches. It seems like with a lot of them you have to do 1000 things right before you can expect an answer to your prayer - tithe, forgive, believe, don't wear your clothes inside out (Lol) and a thousand other things! Does anyone have an approach that works for them - that consistently results in answered prayers!

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I am looking for an approach to Christianity that works. I've tried many churches, many popular pastors like Joel Osteen, Andy Stanley, Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, and others, and many approaches. It seems like with a lot of them you have to do 1000 things right before you can expect an answer to your prayer - tithe, forgive, believe, don't wear your clothes inside out (Lol) and a thousand other things! Does anyone have an approach that works for them - that consistently results in answered prayers!

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I don't normally pray for things.
 
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It seems like with a lot of them you have to do 1000 things right before you can expect an answer to your prayer - tithe, forgive, believe, don't wear your clothes inside out (Lol) and a thousand other things! Does anyone have an approach that works for them - that consistently results in answered prayers!
This probably sounds like rationalization but it has been said a lot of prayers are answered when the prayer itself accords with God's will. I doubt anyone can reliably tell you that if you do such and such your prayer for a pleasure boat, or an airplane or whatever will be fulfilled. The Bible does say if you pray your spirit knows what you ought to be praying for and will pray for you accordingly, which is pretty cool.
 
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I am looking for an approach to Christianity that works. (snip) Does anyone have an approach that works for them - that consistently results in answered prayers!

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I found this works:
Matthew 6 said:
6 “Be [very] careful not to do your good deeds publicly, to be seen by men; otherwise you will have no reward [prepared and awaiting you] with your Father who is in heaven.

2 “So whenever you give to the poor and do acts of kindness, do not blow a trumpet before you [to advertise it], as the hypocrites do [like actors acting out a role] in the synagogues and in the streets, so that they may be honored and recognized and praised by men. I assure you and most solemnly say to you, they [already] have their reward in full. 3 But when you give to the poor and do acts of kindness, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing [give in complete secrecy], 4 so that your charitable acts will be done in secret; and your Father who sees [what is done] in secret will reward you.

5 “Also, when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites; for they love to pray [publicly] standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets so that they may be seen by men. I assure you and most solemnly say to you, they [already] have their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your most private room, close the door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees [what is done] in secret will reward you.

7 “And when you pray, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.in this way:

‘Our Father, who is in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.Your kingdom come,
Your will be done
On earth as it is in heaven.
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‘Give us this day our daily bread.
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‘And forgive us our debts, as we have forgiven our debtors [letting go of both the wrong and the resentment].
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‘And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil. [For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.]’others their trespasses [their reckless and willful sins], your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive others [nurturing your hurt and anger with the result that it interferes with your relationship with God], then your Father will not forgive your trespasses.

Fasting, The True Treasure, Wealth (Mammon)
16 “And whenever you are fasting, do not look gloomy like the hypocrites, for they put on a sad and dismal face [like actors, discoloring their faces with ashes or dirt] so that their fasting may be seen by men. I assure you and most solemnly say to you, they [already] have their reward in full.hour to [the length of] his life?F)" data-cr="#cen-AMP-23310F" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; position: relative; vertical-align: top; top: 0px;"> 28 And why are you worried about clothes? See how the lilies and wildflowers of the field grow; they do not labor nor do they spin [wool to make clothing], 29 yet I say to you that not even Solomon in all his glory and splendor dressed himself like one of these.G)" data-cr="#cen-AMP-23312G" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; position: relative; vertical-align: top; top: 0px;"> 30 But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which is alive and green today and tomorrow is [cut and] thrown [as fuel] into the furnace, will He not much more clothe you? You of little faith! 31 Therefore do not worry or be anxious (perpetually uneasy, distracted), saying, ‘What are we going to eat?’ or ‘What are we going to drink?’ or ‘What are we going to wear?’ 32 For the [pagan] Gentiles eagerly seek all these things; [but do not worry,] for your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33 But first and most importantly seek (aim at, strive after) His kingdom and His righteousness [His way of doing and being right—the attitude and character of God], and all these things will be given to you also.

34 “So do not worry about tomorrow; for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.
tulc(finds this to be the most consistent way) :wave:
 
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I am looking for an approach to Christianity that works. I've tried many churches, many popular pastors like Joel Osteen, Andy Stanley, Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, and others, and many approaches. It seems like with a lot of them you have to do 1000 things right before you can expect an answer to your prayer - tithe, forgive, believe, don't wear your clothes inside out (Lol) and a thousand other things! Does anyone have an approach that works for them - that consistently results in answered prayers!

Thanks
When you pray believe that you have already recieved what you are praying for, and you shall have it.

Therefore, ask and you shall receive, that your joy may be full.

The ones who ask for nothing is no better than those who ask for everything.... and could arguably be worse off..... for the experience of this relationship, is important.

Very few people say that they never asked their natural father for anything... few would say that there natural father would have issues with whatever they asked for. . . Or were only allowed to ask for certain things. Our father in heaven is greater than any earthly father....
 
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John 42, watch out for popular evangelists. They have to raise large amounts of money to stay in the view of mass numbers of people, and I can imagine the temptation to adulterate the truth must hit them in a strong way. And people are gullible in that they want a check-box system of getting it over with God for either things now or things eternal, so there's always an audience. Is it the truth you seek, the One True God? If you have a Bible, you've got what He said about most, if not all, of what happens in life. Seems to me your adventure then is to figure out how to work the life He gave you with the principles He tells you. But keep the new testament book of Hebrews in mind. In it you'll find a long list of people of faith. Some of them didn't get much in this life but with their aim at an eternal life in agreement with this one Eternal God, they won't be disappointed.
 
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I am looking for an approach to Christianity that works. I've tried many churches, many popular pastors like Joel Osteen, Andy Stanley, Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, and others, and many approaches. It seems like with a lot of them you have to do 1000 things right before you can expect an answer to your prayer - tithe, forgive, believe, don't wear your clothes inside out (Lol) and a thousand other things! Does anyone have an approach that works for them - that consistently results in answered prayers!

Thanks

Christianity isn't about getting stuff, or about having a kind of magic genie lamp where our wishes come true. Christianity is about Jesus Christ, the Eternal Divine Logos--God Himself--made flesh, born of the Virgin Mary, who suffered and was crucified, buried, and rose again on the third day defeating sin, death, hell, and the devil. And, having ascended and taken His seat at the right hand of the Father with all authority, we look forward to the day He returns, the dead are raised, God makes all things new, and there is life everlasting in that future Day.

The reason why you aren't finding a Christianity that "works", especially with the various people you've listed, is because the very premise those people are peddling is false. They are selling the religious equivalent of snake oil. And so their promises of health, wealth, prosperity, and getting what you want out of life by doing all the right "things" is all completely and entirely bunk.

Christ does not offer us a life of glory here in this world, but the life of the cross. He calls us to lay ourselves down, to take up our cross and follow Him, and to imitate Him in His sufferings. Telling us that by forsaking our life we shall find the true life. True life is not found in power and glory, but in the humility and weakness of the cross. That is why St. Paul writes in 1 Corinthians 1 that God chose the weak and foolish things of the world to confound the strong and the weak; and elsewhere mentions that when he through prayer sought that the "thorn" be removed from his flesh, the Lord's response to him was, "My grace is sufficient for you, My power is made evident in weakness."

If you want to know what God's power looks like look to the Lord Himself who gave Himself freely for you, by pouring Himself out in weakness and humility, and who became a slave for our sakes--suffering death, even death on the cross, for you and for me. In order that we might be given peace with God, have our sins washed away, and have God's very promise of eternal life as ours by so great a mercy as this. Look to the lives of the saints and martyrs whose lives were marked not by glory, success, and power, but suffering, humility, and even death. The Apostle reminds us, "To live is Christ, and to die is gain."

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I am looking for an approach to Christianity that works. I've tried many churches, many popular pastors like Joel Osteen, Andy Stanley, Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, and others, and many approaches. It seems like with a lot of them you have to do 1000 things right before you can expect an answer to your prayer - tithe, forgive, believe, don't wear your clothes inside out (Lol) and a thousand other things! Does anyone have an approach that works for them - that consistently results in answered prayers!

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Sure. Walk in the Spirit. Pray about everything (where did I put my mobile phone level and up), ensure that there is no unforgiveness in your heart, let the Lord Jesus live in place of you. There is no method. I tried them all and failed. A bird does not study and research the theory of flight. It flies naturally. Real Christians are of Christ by the new nature. Religion is a straightjacket that constrains believers and hinders, not helps. God does not give us better rules to follow. He gives us Christ, who is the answer to every need and problem that we have.

My suggestion is that you read "The Normal Christian Life" by Watchman Nee. It will transform you, if you allow the truth to get into your heart.
 
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Does anyone have an approach that works for them - that consistently results in answered prayers!

Yes, accept the answer given - yes - no - take another approach - let the Lord guide you to what is truly needed in your life rather than insisting you personally know what you need to succeed in God's plan.
 
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I am looking for an approach to Christianity that works. I've tried many churches, many popular pastors like Joel Osteen, Andy Stanley, Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, and others, and many approaches. It seems like with a lot of them you have to do 1000 things right before you can expect an answer to your prayer - tithe, forgive, believe, don't wear your clothes inside out (Lol) and a thousand other things! Does anyone have an approach that works for them - that consistently results in answered prayers!

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First, I'd check into actual churches in your town, rather than relying upon ministers who deliver sermons to a nationwide audience. There is a place for these people, but they're not a replacement for a "full-service" congregation.
 
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I am looking for an approach to Christianity that works. I've tried many churches, many popular pastors like Joel Osteen, Andy Stanley, Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, and others, and many approaches. It seems like with a lot of them you have to do 1000 things right before you can expect an answer to your prayer - tithe, forgive, believe, don't wear your clothes inside out (Lol) and a thousand other things! Does anyone have an approach that works for them - that consistently results in answered prayers!

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I found after 12 years in the Charismatic movement, that when I left it and spent around 3 years in an Anglican church, another 7 years in Baptist churches, and the last 23 years as an elder in the Presbyterian Church of NZ, the rank and file Christian believer is the same anywhere, and they worship God just the same as anyone in any church.

I have come to the conclusion that it is not what you get out of a church, but what you put into it. Many attend churches as leeches to suck out for themselves whatever they can get out of it. They are the ones who complain and change churches when the church doesn't give them what they want or what they think they need. This is because of the false doctrine in especially Charismatic circles that God will meet all your "needs", when what they think is that God has to supply all their wants, and when they don't get them from one church they leave and go to another in the hope that they will get what they desire.

What I did was to stop being a pew-sitter in a large church, and went and joined a smaller church where there was a shortage of people-power. I found that I was put to work teaching Sunday school, being in the choir, invited onto their Board of Managers, being a deacon, and in my Presbyterian church an elder and treasurer. I then found I was on the worship/preaching roster. None of these things would have happened if I had stayed in the large Charismatic church where there was always competition for roles within it.

It all depends on what you want to be - a leech sucking the ministry dry and ending up being dissatisfied; or a contributor being available to perform any role in the church, including being the janitor if that was offered to you.

I am involved at present in my new city, at a Union church (Methodist/Presbyterian) which is quite liberal and tends to concentrate on improving our world. If I was wanting to be a leech, I wouldn't be going there, because there is little they can add to my Christian experience. But because I love the Lord and make the Bible the foundation of my faith, I am available to make a contribution to that church that could inject more of Christ into it. It is not that I am going to throw my spiritual weight around and tell them they are all wrong because of their liberalism, but, because they are short of preachers and people to lead services in their cluster of churches, I have offered my services once they get to know me better; and when I do preach, my messages will be Bible-based to give them a better understanding of the Bible. It will be like the frog in the boiling water syndrome - that by a slow process, I can use my influence to bring a more Christ-centred attitude to that church.

It is sad that there are multitudes of experienced, capable people sitting in large churches doing nothing, when there are smaller churches around them starving for good workers and preachers and who would welcome them with open arms and receive the blessing of having these ones significantly add to the life of their churches.

I think that a lot of it is because the large churches are filled with self-seeking, lazy, spiritual leeches who just want to be ministered to all the time, and are not prepared to get off their acres and get with a church that would greatly appreciate their experience and expertise.

If you did that, you will find yourself part of a loving and supportive Christian family who will accept you as one of them; and when that happens, you will find it very difficult to leave them - as I did after 23 years when I moved cities recently.
 
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Seek to have a relationship with God first. Do the things that are pleasing to him. Put your whole heart and mind to God's will and way. You may find one does not have as many needs. In this world, most wives are more than happy to answer the requests of there husbands, but if we husbands do not respect our wife's needs or requests why should they respect ours? It appears to be the same with God.
 
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“According to Christian
Theology, God is omniscient and exists apart from time. Being omniscient he knows the end from the beginning. But if true, would this not mean that all temporal life is predetermined?

Not necessarily, it would only mean He can see the entirety of the span of time all at the same time.

Nothing is Predetermined, that would mean our Predetermined Destiny cannot be altered, but we all know this is not so because, every man begins his life in the direction of sin, he lives his life in sin until the Grace of God alters that Predetermined Destiny (Fate) and a man becomes a Believer, at that point, his Destiny has been changed he is no longer going to hell which was the Destiny of all those who do not receive Salvation


“According to Christian theology, God is omniscient and exists apart from time. Being omniscient he knows the end from the beginning. But if true, would this not mean that all temporal life is predetermined? If God knows the end from the beginning then nothing is subject to change --- otherwise it would not have been known from the beginning.

That's nothing more than just a logical If & But Theology.

How about God being Omniscient, knowing everything from end to beginning, He takes into His knowledge that people along the way of that time line, have interceded in prayer, otherwise there would not have been an entire time line in which things have transpired, coming to the conclusion they have,
ie, (That End) that God knows of.
 
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I am looking for an approach to Christianity that works.

Then the following would be the most novel approach you could undertake.

Mat. 18:3
And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Luke 18:17
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.
 
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I am looking for an approach to Christianity that works. I've tried many churches, many popular pastors like Joel Osteen, Andy Stanley, Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, and others, and many approaches. It seems like with a lot of them you have to do 1000 things right before you can expect an answer to your prayer - tithe, forgive, believe, don't wear your clothes inside out (Lol) and a thousand other things! Does anyone have an approach that works for them - that consistently results in answered prayers!

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If I may be so bold as to presume to answer the question behind this question (please forgive if not welcome) which is, I believe;

“How can I know I am always in the will of God?”

For if one knows the answer to this question, answered prayer is a foregone conclusion....

So how can one always know they are in and doing the will of God?

The answer is righteousness...

By always doing and looking for that thing, that is the righteous thing in every circumstance and situation. One can be guaranteed to always be in the will of God. For righteousness is always God’s will in all things..So the one that is willing to always walk in all the righteousness they see in their present state of growth in Christ, that one will find the security of knowing their prayers are always heard.....For in righteousness does God wait to bless those willing to walk in it...

A thought before God to direct the heart to Him, that the Spirit of Prayer might be grown in the life and in the growing, answers follow...

A fellow servant of His, Not me
 
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:) Cool. Thanks! I got into a routine of not praying for things because I thought I would never get an answer. If I prayed for someone else answers came. I think I need to pray the promises, as you said.
The bottom line is:
If you want to know the will of God, read the Bible.
If you want to do the will of God, do the Bible!
 
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