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I realise there are various ways of getting or catching disease, & some cannot be helped, but with strong Faith, & resting, & being at ease, can help cope with them all. Rom12v2 says

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

I know I get criticised a lot on this forum, but I do not let it bother me, because I am at ease in my mind, that also has a positive effect on my body too. I have always been one of those half glass full, rather than empty, type person, optimistic, despite the things that go wrong, I feel I can adapt & cope with whatever comes my way. People might say 'your lucky', no, I don't believe in luck, or coincidence, rather God incidence. Hence, for example, the only ongoing diseases, I have ever had are hay fever, asthma & underactive thyroid. Well, I grew out of hay fever, after 45yrs of having it from 10yo. Asthma I developed much later, that is gone. The most surprising is underactive thyroid, which my mother also has, & has still got. A doctor tested me, & was surprised to find mine had gone, as your supposed to have it for life, & take thyroxin. I'm not on any medication, apart from an occasional use of Ibuprofen, for the odd headache.

I'm 67yo now, yes I maybe fortunate, certainly compared to my 93yo mother & 70yo sister, who suffer all sorts, & take lots of medicine, but they have no Faith, although mum would take exception to that, but she certainly changes the subject quickly if I try to speak about my Faith. They cannot understand why I don't celebrate xmas, easter & birthdays, even though I have explained my reasons. They have never been church goers, but at least mum still has an active mind, & is living a good age, like dad did, until 93yo, when he died 7yrs ago.

Anyway, I don't want to go on, & bore you all, but there is a lot of arguments on here, that get a bit too personal for some, who are not able to cope as well, & would urge for folks to have more discernment, as they may be either young in their quest for more Faith, or may be suffering mentally or physically, & might need encouraging, rather than criticism. We are living, I believe, in the last of the last days, (last 2000yrs), with Corona to deal with, strange weather, etc, so let's focus on adding 7 things & maturing in Faith. 2Pet1v5-7

But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love.
 

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I realise there are various ways of getting or catching disease, & some cannot be helped, but with strong Faith, & resting, & being at ease, can help cope with them all.
Even secular medical people say stress can help to break down our immune system so we can get sick or get sicker than we would without the stress. And stress can help compromise our immunity against cancer.

But Jesus gives us "rest for your souls," we have in Matthew 11:28-30.

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit who will resurrect our bodies; so this Spirit can have effect on our bodies now, too, while we live in God's love.

Also, for things maybe not connected with stress, God can give us personal creativity and wisdom for how to practically treat problems. I have some medical education and training; and without going to anyone, I have prayed and been helped in how to take care of wrist and back problems which were disabling with pain. In my case, of course, I mean, I got things which no one told me.

And prevention is better. I never got really bad. Others might need very aggressive measures and even surgery; there might be no other way . . . for all I know.

One thing which always helps is to stop and be still and trust God to do whatsoever He wants to do with me. Even trust Him to have me be submissive how He wants . . . not how I might try to make myself submissive to Him in His peace.

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)
 
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I realise there are various ways of getting or catching disease, & some cannot be helped, but with strong Faith, & resting, & being at ease, can help cope with them all. Rom12v2 says

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

I know I get criticised a lot on this forum, but I do not let it bother me, because I am at ease in my mind, that also has a positive effect on my body too. I have always been one of those half glass full, rather than empty, type person, optimistic, despite the things that go wrong, I feel I can adapt & cope with whatever comes my way. People might say 'your lucky', no, I don't believe in luck, or coincidence, rather God incidence. Hence, for example, the only ongoing diseases, I have ever had are hay fever, asthma & underactive thyroid. Well, I grew out of hay fever, after 45yrs of having it from 10yo. Asthma I developed much later, that is gone. The most surprising is underactive thyroid, which my mother also has, & has still got. A doctor tested me, & was surprised to find mine had gone, as your supposed to have it for life, & take thyroxin. I'm not on any medication, apart from an occasional use of Ibuprofen, for the odd headache.

I'm 67yo now, yes I maybe fortunate, certainly compared to my 93yo mother & 70yo sister, who suffer all sorts, & take lots of medicine, but they have no Faith, although mum would take exception to that, but she certainly changes the subject quickly if I try to speak about my Faith. They cannot understand why I don't celebrate xmas, easter & birthdays, even though I have explained my reasons. They have never been church goers, but at least mum still has an active mind, & is living a good age, like dad did, until 93yo, when he died 7yrs ago.

Anyway, I don't want to go on, & bore you all, but there is a lot of arguments on here, that get a bit too personal for some, who are not able to cope as well, & would urge for folks to have more discernment, as they may be either young in their quest for more Faith, or may be suffering mentally or physically, & might need encouraging, rather than criticism. We are living, I believe, in the last of the last days, (last 2000yrs), with Corona to deal with, strange weather, etc, so let's focus on adding 7 things & maturing in Faith. 2Pet1v5-7

But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love.
You have been uniquely blessed with excellent health, which is a gift from the Lord. Many God fearing, God trusting warriors of the faith have extreme and continual medical issues that require even more faith to deal with than yours and mine. But a
cool thing about the scriptures is That Paul tells us in Philippians and other epistles that it is through suffering that our faith and joy is made complete. :)
 
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You have been uniquely blessed with excellent health, which is a gift from the Lord. Many God fearing, God trusting warriors of the faith have extreme and continual medical issues that require even more faith to deal with than yours and mine. But a
cool thing about the scriptures is That Paul tells us in Philippians and other epistles that it is through suffering that our faith and joy is made complete. :)

Your last sentence is very true, & I didn't say much about the suffering part of my life, as I am a positive sort of person.That does not mean i ignore or suppress what has happened, but rather use those experiences, to learn & grow in Faith, pray to overcome my weaknesses, & face & endure the trials & tribulations that will come my way.
Briefly, through my own actions, as well as others, I have had 2 marriages, with divorces, had & lost a few jobs, but even when I've been well off & at times quite poor, with unemployment, & moved house loads of times, I have always just had a mind that just adapts to any given situation.
Probably the biggest challenge in adapting in the last 15yrs of not going to any church, because of errors, I am on my own mostly, with my Faith, so it's a good job that enjoy my own company, even though it would be good to have fellowship with people locally, rather than just through forums like this. Nevertheless, where 2 or 3 are gathered, there God is.Well I am 2 people, my inner man, & my outer flesh (2 witnesses). Rev1v6
and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.
 
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Far better to rely on medical science than religion where your health is concerned, imo.

Medical science is helpful, but without my religion, I would be a wreck now, or even dead. I certainly went through my agnostic phase, but as is defined in Heb11v1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
I realise maybe you might not believe the bible is God's Word, but it's not about feelings, but what is in your heart. The fact your on a forum like this, shows your searching, so hope you find what your looking for!
 
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I have had what some might call a 'light bulb moment' today, where I am waking up to a the fact there is not long before the return of Yeshua, & I feel like Paul says in Rom7v19-20
For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
That should give us all encouragement, that the, arguably, greatest Apostle feels like that, makes me think most of my life has been caught up in sinning, very deliberately, at times, & now I feel it's about time I gave back in some small way, because of His sacrifice for me, by trying to live the rest of the time we have left, before eternity, to living a holy, obedient life.
I spoke about myself, in my 1st 2 posts to give you a flavour of who I am, but I want to get rid of this self daily, as Lk9v23 says
“If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me."
Please feel free to be open about your life & expectations, if you want!
 
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Medical science is helpful, but without my religion, I would be a wreck now, or even dead. I certainly went through my agnostic phase, but as is defined in Heb11v1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
I realise maybe you might not believe the bible is God's Word, but it's not about feelings, but what is in your heart. The fact your on a forum like this, shows your searching, so hope you find what your looking for!

The extremist version of the Christian faith spoilt my childhood and did me no favours at all. I don't mind moderate Christians who don't try to force their faith on others, but I will always challenge the, 'you must be saved or burn in hell' mob.
 
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The extremist version of the Christian faith spoilt my childhood and did me no favours at all. I don't mind moderate Christians who don't try to force their faith on others, but I will always challenge the, 'you must be saved or burn in hell' mob.

25yrs ago, in my ignorance, I went along with what my then 1st wife encouraged me to do, which was to say this so-called 'sinners prayer', that apparently gets you 'saved' immediately. It took me 10yrs to discover that was not right. Being saved is over a lifetime of maturing & developing Faith.

It has been, over my life, like I had jigsaw puzzle pieces, without seeing what the finished picture was. So I had various clues, but I can only speak now, that I can see more of the picture, which is God's Truth, as up to 15yrs ago, it had been lies & deceit, whether deliberately instigated, or not by the various churches I have been involved with. I study & find out things myself now, without any one leader saying how I should live my life, because they are just men, who do wrong too!
 
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They may work hand in hand.?
M-Bob

Indeed some sceptical scientists, have had to conclude that their in their findings there would have to have been a divine force behind how things came to be, & not just through a 'big bang' or evolution.
 
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which was to say this so-called 'sinners prayer', that apparently gets you 'saved' immediately. It took me 10yrs to discover that was not right. Being saved is over a lifetime of maturing & developing Faith.

It has been, over my life, like I had jigsaw puzzle pieces, without seeing what the finished picture was. So I had various clues, but I can only speak now, that I can see more of the picture, which is God's Truth, as up to 15yrs ago, it had been lies & deceit, whether deliberately instigated, or not by the various churches I have been involved with. I study & find out things myself now, without any one leader saying how I should live my life, because they are just men, who do wrong too!
Although some (maybe) born again around the time in which they say the so called sinners prayer -- I think that it goes against what is taught in the Bible and probably leads many to have a type of false assurance.

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Although some (maybe) born again around the time in which they say the so called sinners prayer -- I think that it goes against what is taught in the Bible and probably leads many to have a type of false assurance.

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I cannot remember being born, but know the time because of my birth certificate. I also cannot remember when I was born anew, from Greek anothen - from above. It is the false gospel of 2Cor11v4
For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it!
 
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Your last sentence is very true, & I didn't say much about the suffering part of my life, as I am a positive sort of person.That does not mean i ignore or suppress what has happened, but rather use those experiences, to learn & grow in Faith, pray to overcome my weaknesses, & face & endure the trials & tribulations that will come my way.
Briefly, through my own actions, as well as others, I have had 2 marriages, with divorces, had & lost a few jobs, but even when I've been well off & at times quite poor, with unemployment, & moved house loads of times, I have always just had a mind that just adapts to any given situation.
Probably the biggest challenge in adapting in the last 15yrs of not going to any church, because of errors, I am on my own mostly, with my Faith, so it's a good job that enjoy my own company, even though it would be good to have fellowship with people locally, rather than just through forums like this. Nevertheless, where 2 or 3 are gathered, there God is.Well I am 2 people, my inner man, & my outer flesh (2 witnesses). Rev1v6
and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.
If you are not attending a local church you are not in compliance with scripture. I urge you to find one! It’s the best place to grow in the Lord.
 
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If you are not attending a local church you are not in compliance with scripture. I urge you to find one! It’s the best place to grow in the Lord.

I will put here what I wrote earlier.

it would be good to have fellowship with people locally, rather than just through forums like this. Nevertheless, where 2 or 3 are gathered, there God is.Well I am 2 people, my inner man, & my outer flesh (2 witnesses). Rev1v6
and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

Church is ekklesia - called out ones. So are you really saying if there is no church around, that is preaching Truth, then I have to pick one? I have already done that years ago, that's why I was 'called out', I'm not going back to deceit & the 'other Jesus' doctrine! The most growth I have had is in the last 15yrs, where I have not been in a manmade building!
 
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I will put here what I wrote earlier.



Church is ekklesia - called out ones. So are you really saying if there is no church around, that is preaching Truth, then I have to pick one? I have already done that years ago, that's why I was 'called out', I'm not going back to deceit & the 'other Jesus' doctrine! The most growth I have had is in the last 15yrs, where I have not been in a manmade building!
I’m not saying anything, what I say is completely irrelevant.

seems like you are the Hebrews 10: 25
Guy. I pray you find a bible believing church and if you don’t (unlikely unless you live in Iran or North Korea) maybe there needs to be one in your town brother!


Hebrews 10:24-25
24 And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds,
25 not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.
 
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Apart from God & His Word, the 2nd most inspiring, & puts me at ease is music, a lifelong pleasure. When I was in the Anglican church, when it came to worship, I felt, at the time, on my odd visits to an independent Pentecostal style church, their band was really good, which influenced me changing churches. In retrospect, I was heading down the 'faith with feelings & emotions road', where faith should be separate.
To my embarrassment, that lead me to (what I now know to be false) speaking in tongues,& being 'slain in the spirit' where folks, including me, unfortunately, writhed about on the floor, laughing, babbling in tongues, & influencing others, that joined the mayhem. This was in the 90's, when the so-called 'Toronto blessing', where an explosion of these sorts of happenings prevailed.
Around this time, I felt that any secular music, that did not honour God, should be got rid of, & I not only threw my CD's out, but scratched them all, so they could not be used by anyone, Bonkers right!!
Fast forward to now, I have a large CD collection of all sorts, from Radiohead, Elbow, Joni Mitchell, Pearl Jam etc. I realise most of these people are not Christian, but I don't focus on lyrics, but the overall sound. Someone like Elbow, have strong Catholic roots, that come out in their lyrics, like rosary & incense, & I would argue against Roman Catholicism on forums, but music is a great leveller. God made 7 days a week, 7 colours of the rainbow, along with 7 notes of the musical alphabet, so music holds no boundaries, for me. Although I am biased against someone like Elton John, who I liked his earlier stuff, but as he promotes & influences gay marriage & adoption, which the world views as good, I have to draw the line, & not listen or watch him.
I'm torn with Jennifer Knapp, who has one of the great female voices, but is a so-called Christian lesbian! Her struggles with this, on her 1st album'Kansas", was profound, having a contrite heart, but gradually got more secular, maybe resulting in her choosing lesbianism over God, I don't know her, but I hope, If God has chosen her, she can repent of her sins, like we do, & turn from what satisfies self!
 
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Religion is based on fairy tales which have no basis in fact, whereas science does try to discover verifiable evidence to support its claims.

Not according to most I know.
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Religion is based on fairy tales which have no basis in fact, whereas science does try to discover verifiable evidence to support its claims.

Just because you used to be a christian, as I understand, doesn't mean you have to criticise it, like an ex-wife! I should know, I've had two of them!!
 
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