How much did you spend this year for medical bills?

timothyu said:

Would non-profit co-op type insurers be considered anti-capitalistic?

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I don't think so. We've coops of various kinds in the US for centuries.

mark46 said:

You have the view that business have no interests other than maximizing profits. That simply isn't the case.

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Sure it is.

timothyu said:

How about the increase in those as a result with lifelong injuries and need for added medical attention as a result of being 'saved'.

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Yes. Forced euthanasia would cut health care costs dramatically, but I'm not aware of any candidates proposing it.

rambot said:

And now, not only would you be wrong but you position yourself away from showing grace to folks based on your own misunderstanding of some basic truths about health.

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Yep, for me the doctors had no explanation of why I ended up needing multiple surgeries to fix some problems.

And even so, they still charged my insurance company full price. Weird how what actually happened was way different than the stories we hear in this forum.

The leading, NUMBER ONE cause of cancer is entropy. It can happen to anyone

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Entropy plus the bad lifestyle choice of having a good enough lifestyle to get old enough to get it.

mark46 said:

It is a matter of scale. It is much different running a system of any kind in a tiny country (the size of one our cities) compared to running a system that touches hundreds of millions of people.

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I don't know - despite our size we manage to have health insurance available to everyone that can pay. I don't see how that fundamentally changes when the source of the payment takes a slightly different path.

mark46 said:

You have the view that business have no interests other than maximizing profits. That simply isn't the case.

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Sure, they also want to keep their legal costs relatively low, so they only break laws that they can get away with or don't carry too big a fine.

But I guess that all feeds into the bottom line as well...

My number was less tyan 10%, because my income is higher. When i calculate all out pocket medical expenses, including what employer takes out of my check, the number totaled about 14k for 2019. In 2020, likely to be over 20k.

This poll lacks one important choice. There is nowhere for us that paid less than 1% of our income in medical bills in 2019. I paid $20 for a check up at the doctor and having some test on my blood. Nothing else. I live in Norway so I do not pay for health insurance

TheNorwegian said:

This poll lacks one important choice. There is nowhere for us that paid less than 1% of our income in medical bills in 2019. I paid $20 for a check up at the doctor and having some test on my blood. Nothing else. I live in Norway so I do not pay for health insurance

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So none of your income goes on taxes to pay for healthcare?

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20% just for the insurance premiums. When I had my stroke it was much higher and it was close to 40% the year I had two brain surgeries. Had I been unemployed I would likely of not been able to afford my procedures and simply lived with a time bomb ticking in my head.

I fail to see how this is a desirable situation for anyone.

Belk said:

20% just for the insurance premiums. When I had my stroke it was much higher and it was close to 40% the year I had two brain surgeries. Had I been unemployed I would likely of not been able to afford my procedures and simply lived with a time bomb ticking in my head.

I fail to see how this is a desirable situation for anyone.

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KCfromNC said:

He’s not hurting the people he needs to be hurting.”

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Good point but then that has been the case all through history where money is god and the 'haves' in order to stay 'haves' have always sought gain at the expense of others, especially the 'have nots'. That will never change as long as man is in charge even if some lessen the gap between rich and poor while keeping the gap alive. This is why Jesus' Gospel was so appealing to servants, slaves and women, the oppressed.

I pay 4% of my salary every month to obligatory state health care system.

And employer must add 8% to it.

So, in summary, state gets 12% from my salary to the health care system, but I pay only 4%.

Goonie said:

So none of your income goes on taxes to pay for healthcare?

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I do not think anyone else here includes their taxes in cost for their private health care. So, I do not get your point

TheNorwegian said:

I do not think anyone else here includes their taxes in cost for their private health care. So, I do not get your point

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The point is you are paying more than 20 dollars a year for your healthcare, it's just that you are not paying it at the point of use.

Goonie said:

The point is you are paying more than 20 dollars a year for your healthcare, it's just that you are not paying it at the point of use.

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If poor people pay little to no taxes at least they still get health care. It may not fit into the concepts of greed but it does serve the will of God.

timothyu said:

If poor people pay little to no taxes at least they still get health care. It may not fit into the concepts of greed but it does serve the will of God.

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I wholeheartedly agree! I'm a supporter of universal healthcare. I'm just making the point that nothing is free, so don't take it for granted.

Goonie said:

The point is you are paying more than 20 dollars a year for your healthcare, it's just that you are not paying it at the point of use.

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That is not the question in this poll. The question is how much my medical bill was in 2019. Even people in the US pay taxes that goes to healthcare (Medicare, etc.) I do not think they would include a percentage of their taxes in their answer. I guess you just want me to include it because you do not like the idea that health care could be cheap and good

Goonie said:

I wholeheartedly agree! I'm a supporter of universal healthcare. I'm just making the point that nothing is free, so don't take it for granted.

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Everyone knows that health care is not without cost. How stupid do you think people are? Do you really believe that people in countries with free health care believe that it magically appears out of thin air?