The Demise of Evolution

OldWiseGuy said:

The commandments are special because they are so badly needed.

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Which ones?
The ones solely about worshipping the right deity the right way?

The one about don't murder people? Are you implying that murder was not proscribed in nearly all societies, even those devoid of Yahweh?

Your 'explanations' are lame dodges. Nothing more.

OldWiseGuy said:

Most if not all of my ideas for improving the well being of the country are based on Godly principles

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Yet you are a Trump fan.

So tell us all, Oh Godly man, what Godly principles make you like Donald Trump?
His serial adultery? His disdain for the sanctity of marriage? His worship of mammon? His hatred of the sojourner? His constant bearing of false witness?

I have a hard time taking religious fanatics seriously when they claim to love Jesus but also worship Trump.

Lazarus Long said:

You actually have no answers at all, do you? The bible doesn't mention dinosaurs, that's easily explained by the fact that the authors knew nothing about them or anything else that existed before humans came along, like millions of years before.

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Weren't we talking about extinct animals?

SLP said:

Yet you are a Trump fan.

So tell us all, Oh Godly man, what Godly principles make you like Donald Trump?
His serial adultery? His disdain for the sanctity of marriage? His worship of mammon? His hatred of the sojourner? His constant bearing of false witness?

I have a hard time taking religious fanatics seriously when they claim to love Jesus but also worship Trump.

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Voting to keep liberals out the White House isn't 'worshipping' Trump. And I like most of his policies.

Are you following me?

SLP said:

Which ones?
The ones solely about worshipping the right deity the right way?

The one about don't murder people? Are you implying that murder was not proscribed in nearly all societies, even those devoid of Yahweh?

Your 'explanations' are lame dodges. Nothing more.

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The difference is that God means it.

Subduction Zone said:

How would you falsify them? And since the commandments were largely copied from other sources what makes them special?

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The point is that they can be tested.

SLP said:

So you are not going to explain how Hosea 13:16 is a 'better way' to do things?

Cute. I love watching bible worshippers do their best to ignore the bad parts of their holy book.

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They were punished for 'falsifying' the commandments. There's a lesson there.

OldWiseGuy said:

Weren't we talking about extinct animals?

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You don't think dinosaurs are extinct? What does the book you are convinced is true say about extinct species? It claims to record the very beginning of Earth, after all.

OldWiseGuy said:

The point is that they can be tested.

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What tests have been performed in order to verify the fiction of the Garden of Eden?

SLP said:

Right... no scientific jargon in my science, please!

Actually, that is not what I alleged. I simply replied to you assertion that "millions of lifeforms have turned out so well is proof of design by Creator."
with:

"What makes you think that they turned out 'so well'? What about the MILLIONS of those that went extinct?"

Can you not see the contradiction - if they 'turned out pretty well', does that mean that God's unsubstantiated creative acts were not that great?

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Are you trying to say that your post is just as good as #381 because you didn't use jargon?

Referring to your post #384, you start by criticising any god stuff -- well, there is no right or wrong here, it is not a 2+3=5 situation.

However, when I asked what is the probability that millions of life would turn out so well without a Creator, your answer was a definitive 1.0 . That is the most moronic and stoopid assertion, it is clearly a dumb answer, demonstrating zero intelligene and lacking even the simplest logical evaluation.

And now you want to compare your rubbish to a good presentation by someone else. If that answer is a distinction, yours is less than 0

And in post #411 you don't have to try to unsay the shallow stuff you said, which is extinction of some creatures means imperfection in God's creation. It's certainly shallow, yes, but at least doesn't sound as dumb as your 1.0 probability answer.

roman2819 said:

However, when I asked what is the probability that millions of life would turn out so well without a Creator, your answer was a definitive 1.0 . That is the most moronic and stoopid assertion, it is clearly a dumb answer, demonstrating zero intelligene and lacking even the simplest logical evaluation.

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The probability of life existing as it does is 1.0--whether there is a creator or not.

And in post #411 you don't have to try to unsay the shallow stuff you said, which is extinction of some creatures means imperfection in God's creation. It's certainly shallow, yes, but at least doesn't sound as dumb as your 1.0 probability answer.

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The question is, does it mean that to you?

Lazarus Long said:

You don't think dinosaurs are extinct? What does the book you are convinced is true say about extinct species? It claims to record the very beginning of Earth, after all.

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Dinosaurs are extinct.
The bible says nothing about extinct animals.
Yes, the bible records the beginning of earth.

Lazarus Long said:

What tests have been performed in order to verify the fiction of the Garden of Eden?

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The test subject is the laws of God as applied to society. Can their value be falsified.

Regarding Eden; mankind has replicated it in various forms for all of recorded history, perhaps out of yearning for a return to it.

OldWiseGuy said:

The test subject is the laws of God as applied to society.

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The test would only show that the laws were useful and produce good results if followed. There is no scientific test which would show whether they were actually the laws of God or not.

Speedwell said:

The test would only show that the laws were useful and produce good results if followed. There is no scientific test which would show whether they were actually the laws of God or not.

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Well then, let's just test those laws (concepts) for falsifiability regardless of their origin.

roman2819 said:

However, when I asked what is the probability that millions of life would turn out so well without a Creator, your answer was a definitive 1.0 . That is the most moronic and stoopid assertion, it is clearly a dumb answer, demonstrating zero intelligene and lacking even the simplest logical evaluation.

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Post-hoc probabilities of events that have already occurred is always going to be 1.0 because those things have already occurred. The probability of Earth having the eco-system it currently has is 1.0 because it already exists.

This is why discussions of probabilities in post-hoc analysis isn't useful.

OldWiseGuy said:

Most if not all of my ideas for improving the well being of the country are based on Godly principles... and are 'falsified' by almost all non Christians that respond to them. Even you have taken issue with my ideas.

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You do not appear to understand what the idea of 'falsifiability' is. You should take back your earlier claim.

You are conflating denial with falsification. If you really truly believe what you claim to be believe then you should not be afraid to test your ideas. An idea that is not falsifiable is all but worthless. There can be no evidence for that idea. All that one can find is confirmation bias at best and that demotes your religious views to the same as all other religions. If you want to claim that Christianity is better than other religions or more true than other religions then you need to find a way to demonstrate that. And that is what falsifiability is.

If an idea is falsifiable that means that there is a test that could show it to be wrong if it is wrong. It does not automatically mean that they idea is wrong. Confirmation bias is rather insulting to a religion since it lowers itself to the same level as voodoo. I am sure that you do not want to do that to your own beliefs.

OldWiseGuy said:

Well then, let's just test those laws (concepts) for falsifiability regardless of their origin.

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They are your claims, once again the means the burden of proof is upon you. You would need to come up with a test that could falsify those laws if wrong.

OldWiseGuy said:

Why would they need to be falsified?

The commandments are special because they are so badly needed.

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What makes you think that they were needed? And as pointed out you do not understand falsifiability.
Once again, we know the sources of the Ten Commandments. The Hebrews took quite a bit of Babylon with them from the period of Babylon Captivity:

Babylonian captivity - Wikipedia

OldWiseGuy said:

The point is that they can be tested.

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How?