The Demise of Evolution

OldWiseGuy · Feb 18, 2020

driewerf said:
Or heard about the Belusov Zhabotinsky reaction?
Belousov–Zhabotinsky reaction - Wikipedia

Fascinating. All that music coming from a little petri dish.

Subduction Zone · Feb 18, 2020

OldWiseGuy said:
Perhaps science should put bible principles to the test.

How would you do that?

It is up to people that are making a claim to at least try to develop a proper test. What reasonable test would disprove "bible principles" . Actually you would need to define those principles first.

OldWiseGuy · Feb 18, 2020

Subduction Zone said:
How would you do that?

It is up to people that are making a claim to at least try to develop a proper test. What reasonable test would disprove "bible principles" . Actually you would need to define those principles first.

The last five commandments followed by the Proverbs would be a good place to start.

Speedwell · Feb 18, 2020

OldWiseGuy said:
The last five commandments followed by the Proverbs would be a good place to start.

They are not falsifiable propositions. There is no way to test them.

Lazarus Long · Feb 18, 2020

OldWiseGuy said:
Possibly a cost/benefit study. The bible says that it's "better" to do certain things a certain way. That shouldn't be too hard prove or disprove.

Or maybe the bible can explain science for us. 99% of all species ever to exist on this planet are extinct, does your god make things that don't last?

Lazarus Long · Feb 18, 2020

roman2819 said:
It certainly help to read about the gist of evolution, with examples, and without jargons.

I have always believe that living things can change over time within certain limits -- so that some horses run faster than others, and some giant fossils of insects and mammals had been found which prove that certain changes did happen -- as life adapts to weather, terrain and different conditions. God's creation is dynamic and to Him, life on earth is a stage, a field where living things have a life of their own as they breathe, live and interact (this is something that SLP or @SLP don't understand, he alleged that extinction of some species means God's creation is flawed).

Although evolution did not claim there is no God, however, do some of their beliefs imply no God? The biggest example is the monkey evolved to human, of course.. They may say they haven't prove it, so they are not confirming it. And I wonder if they have made other controversial claims about how some living things evolve.

Another observation is the way evolutionists claim that a fossil is 50 million or even 150 million years old. I do not believe that scientists or geologists today have any methods to backdate anything that far back. Carbon dating or other methods are not that powerful or accurate.. I read about an ex-evolutionist, who left the organization, he said numbers like 10 million years are not reliable at all because...

.... Well, Evolutionists believe that changes in living things had to happen slowly, so they have to claim that the earth geography is very old as well. The earth mass and rocks could have been there, formless and void (Genesis), lifeless for millions of years, before God construction began, maybe 10,000-100000 years ago. But i dont think any methods today can date life or geography accurately beyond 100,000 yrs -- or even half of that. What I mean is evolutionists' beliefs become questionable when they claim that certain fossils are 5 or 100 million years old.

And the scientific processes you use to come to these conclusions are?

OldWiseGuy · Feb 18, 2020

Speedwell said:
They are not falsifiable propositions. There is no way to test them.

We're told all the time here that they are falsifiable. :scratch:

OldWiseGuy · Feb 18, 2020

Lazarus Long said:
Or maybe the bible can explain science for us. 99% of all species ever to exist on this planet are extinct, does your god make things that don't last?

That's not a bad thing. Who wants to worry about T-Rex's gobbling up the neighbors.

Subduction Zone · Feb 18, 2020

OldWiseGuy said:
We're told all the time here that they are falsifiable.

Who made that claim?

Subduction Zone · Feb 18, 2020

OldWiseGuy said:
The last five commandments followed by the Proverbs would be a good place to start.

How would you falsify them? And since the commandments were largely copied from other sources what makes them special?

OldWiseGuy · Feb 18, 2020

Subduction Zone said:
Who made that claim?

Most if not all of my ideas for improving the well being of the country are based on Godly principles... and are 'falsified' by almost all non Christians that respond to them. Even you have taken issue with my ideas.

OldWiseGuy · Feb 18, 2020

Subduction Zone said:
How would you falsify them? And since the commandments were largely copied from other sources what makes them special?

Why would they need to be falsified?

The commandments are special because they are so badly needed.

Kylie · Feb 19, 2020

roman2819 said:
It certainly help to read about the gist of evolution, with examples, and without jargons.

Glad you liked it.

I have always believe that living things can change over time within certain limits -- so that some horses run faster than others, and some giant fossils of insects and mammals had been found which prove that certain changes did happen -- as life adapts to weather, terrain and different conditions. God's creation is dynamic and to Him, life on earth is a stage, a field where living things have a life of their own as they breathe, live and interact (this is something that SLP or @SLP don't understand, he alleged that extinction of some species means God's creation is flawed).

You say, "within certain limits." Can you give any examples of what these limits might be?

Although evolution did not claim there is no God, however, do some of their beliefs imply no God? The biggest example is the monkey evolved to human, of course.. They may say they haven't prove it, so they are not confirming it. And I wonder if they have made other controversial claims about how some living things evolve.

Many people consider that God made Humans and the tool he used to do that was evolution. My husband is one of them.

Another observation is the way evolutionists claim that a fossil is 50 million or even 150 million years old. I do not believe that scientists or geologists today have any methods to backdate anything that far back. Carbon dating or other methods are not that powerful or accurate.. I read about an ex-evolutionist, who left the organization, he said numbers like 10 million years are not reliable at all because...

They don't use carbon dating for rocks that far back. Carbon dating works back to about 50,000 years only, and it works on organic remains, not rocks. There are numerous techniques that use radioactive elements in rocks, each working on different elements. And the good thing is that we can use different methods to cross check. If we test a rock sample with different techniques and they all give around the same age, then we can be pretty sure the results are correct.

.... Well, Evolutionists believe that changes in living things had to happen slowly, so they have to claim that the earth geography is very old as well. The earth mass and rocks could have been there, formless and void (Genesis), lifeless for millions of years, before God construction began, maybe 10,000-100000 years ago. But i dont think any methods today can date life or geography accurately beyond 100,000 yrs -- or even half of that. What I mean is evolutionists' beliefs become questionable when they claim that certain fossils are 5 or 100 million years old.

Radiometric dating (looking at how the different ratios of radioactive materials in a rock can indicate how old the rock is) is a very reliable method. Like I said before, there are different techniques which we can use to cross check. You can have a read of this page to learn more about how it works. How Old Is the Earth: Radioisotope Dating - dummies

And here's an article written specifically to address Christian mistrust in the dating techniques. https://www.asa3.org/ASA/resources/Wiens2002.pdf

If you have any questions, I'll be happy to answer as best I can.

Lazarus Long · Feb 19, 2020

OldWiseGuy said:
That's not a bad thing. Who wants to worry about T-Rex's gobbling up the neighbors.

You actually have no answers at all, do you? The bible doesn't mention dinosaurs, that's easily explained by the fact that the authors knew nothing about them or anything else that existed before humans came along, like millions of years before.

Larniavc · Feb 19, 2020

OldWiseGuy said:
If it looks and functions like it was designed it probably was.

That’s just stupid.

SLP · Feb 19, 2020

OldWiseGuy said:
Soil meaning the tillable earth. The stuff plants grow in. Note that we are sustained by the same, so 'we are what we eat', or, we eat what we are.

Right - tillable earth.... Why didn't I somehow know that in the first place...always seeking an out.
Sad.

But... Are you claiming that what I posted is NOT in tillable soil?

You will need to provide some documentation that your special "tillable soil" lacks silicates and the like.

Or, your position will just be dismissed as naive zaniness like your other unsupported assertions and trolling.

SLP · Feb 19, 2020

OldWiseGuy said:
They are true, to the best of my understanding

Then the best of your understanding is not very good.

SLP · Feb 19, 2020

OldWiseGuy said:
Fascinating. All that music coming from a little petri dish.

Not as fascinating as watching try desperately to have to address any of the technical questions put to you in response to your absurd assertions.

SLP · Feb 19, 2020

OldWiseGuy said:
The last five commandments followed by the Proverbs would be a good place to start.

So you are not going to explain how Hosea 13:16 is a 'better way' to do things?

Cute. I love watching bible worshippers do their best to ignore the bad parts of their holy book.

SLP · Feb 19, 2020

OldWiseGuy said:
We're told all the time here that they are falsifiable.

By whom? Examples please.

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