Tongues, a Sign to the Unbeliever
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The tongues spoken of in Corinthians were a gift..(which were for the edification of the body. The proper use of gifts was the subject of Pauls's writing (1Corinthians 12-14) ...the way you can tell is, When he said in 1Corinthians12:1," Now concerning spiritual gifts". He made his subject very clear. The point of speaking without an interpreter was a small side detail. When there is no interpretation, the tongue is unknown/not understood and should be done in private. Seek rather that ye may edify others. Therefore an interpretation is the desired result, so that others may benefit.
You are separating "Tongues" into categories. There is only 1 category, which is "The gifts of the Spirit".
The prophecy of Isaiah, pointed to a day where God would reach for the rebellious house of Israel(after the covenant of the law was past, which renders Jews outside of Gods saving Grace Plan) in his mercy. A people speaking the language (not having formerly known the language) of the Jews, was to be an undeniable sign that a new rest had come, and that the Jews should give credence to the message(concerning the messiah) of the apostles,
The house of Cornelius, being Gentiles, would have understood the link.
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I agree. 1 Corinthians 12 speaks of "various types of tongues" which means that there were different variations of the gift for different purposes (I just wanted to make that clear, for information and not contention).
I agree that the house of Cornelius would have understood the link because they were "God-fearers", having been initiated into Judaism without being fully converted to it. So they would have been familiar with the Old Testament Scriptures.
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Are the "those who believe not" referring to the unsaved or followers of Jesus who dont believe in speaking in tongues? I Cor 14:22
Also, all tongues can be interpreted according to I Cor 14:13.
Because of their purposes , I dont see it as a small detail. I's not just for a select few but for any believer. Tongues are a sign to unbelievers by believers.
Also, all tongues can be interpreted according to I Cor 14:13.
Because of their purposes , I dont see it as a small detail. I's not just for a select few but for any believer. Tongues are a sign to unbelievers by believers.
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yeah real experience make everything clear.
people often think, that healing, prophecy and so on, are special gifts given to someone for this lifetime. but in reality - those gifts are given at that moment, they are needed .
tongues, as tool for Holy Spirit to build up yourself, pray for you and as a sign for unbelievers, are given for lifetime, while baptized with Holy Spirit and fire and this is only gift given, while baptized with Holy Spirit and fire.
i prophecy, healed BEFORE was baptized with Holy Spirit and fire.
apostles heal people and made other things, BEFORE they were baptized Holy Spirit and fire.
Paul is talking about correct order in the meeting, while at that meeting some heal, some prophecy and so on - i have been at those meetings.
so reality indeed are final point, to understand, what is written, IF Father do not decide other way.
and sorry - prophecy is only gift, you can use, when you like it.
i know that, because i used it, when lost keys, finding out, what for was help requested and so on.
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i am tired of reading peoples wildest guessings, while there is not secret, that to understand scripture and be sure, you are correct - you HAVE TO DO, WHAT JESUS TEACH. Then comes understanding and experience.
even then, sometimes, Father have to show me and explain me, WHAT I JUST DID GO THROUGH.
Understand even NT WITHOUT Holy Spirit is not always easy. Even though we speak about Paul, who was " hard to understand and easy to misunderstand".
even then, sometimes, Father have to show me and explain me, WHAT I JUST DID GO THROUGH.
Understand even NT WITHOUT Holy Spirit is not always easy. Even though we speak about Paul, who was " hard to understand and easy to misunderstand".
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It could be that the disciples who used tongues, where talking in the languages of those around them in there own tongue. Therefore, it was a sign to them. After all, they were Galileans speaking in umpteen different languages that it was unlikely they had learned.
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No that contradicts God written word - the rules on tongues in 1 Corinthians 14. Acts 2 is an account of when it first manifested. But it cannot contradict the rule. God is not the author of confusion. The ONLY way to understand tongues is through the supernatural gift of interpretation of the gift of tongues, not natural languages in general as some unfortunately twist. Friend, just stay to the rule and let the story/account line up with it. Don't try to change the rule. It is written in stone. In the case of Acts 2, the emphasis was on the hearing. Each man heard all of the disciples like a choir speaking his own language. Read it again noting that emphasis.
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It's a blatant misuse of the gift, and right against Paul's clear teaching on it.
But in saying that, my old pastor suffered a stroke in the late 1970s and couldn't speak in English, but he could speak in tongues, and so he and his son in law would converse in tongues. I think Paul would understand that in view of the circumstances - but it wasn't done as a public display as these two "honourable gentlemen" were doing. (I could have called them something else, but I have been instructed to be friendly!
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This has happened on occasion in modern times. It happened twice as far as I know in my own church, where someone prayed in tongues and the person sitting beside them heard the praises of God in their on native dialect. This is how it can serve as a sign, especially if the person hearing the praises of God is an unbeliever - such as the Chinese girl sitting in an gospel meeting, and the man behind her, praying in tongues, spoke clear Cantonese, saying, "You need to go forward and receive Christ". That was a sign to that unsaved girl and she did go forward and was saved.
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I don't think I'm supposed to disagree or "debate" in this forum, so I started a topic on tongues if anyone is interested. I would like input: Tongues as Private Prayer Language
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When a non-believer is addressed in HIS OWN MOTHER TONGUE (often in even the correct regional accent), and told things that the one addressing him couldn't know, and on top of it when the speaker doesn't even KNOW the language he's speaking - that can be rather "Arresting".
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The day of Pentecost in Acts is a testimony to this truth. Someone who doesn't speak your native language, naturally, suddenly doing so, declaring the marvelous wonders of God is indeed a sign unto them, the unbeliever.
For those of us who already believe, it's not a sign - we already believe, we don't need it.
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There are numerous purposes for tongues including "... he that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself..." I Cor 14:4 + " ...they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God..." Acts 10:46 Also, the church can be edfied with a message of tongues with interpretation..I Cor 14:5.
Seems like this forum is only for posters who believe in the gifts.
Seems like this forum is only for posters who believe in the gifts.
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previous reply deleted as i'm not a charismatic. That said I do believe the nine Supernatural Gifts are just as much in operation today (if not more so) as during the 1st century AD/CE among true Believers/Followers of Messiah Yeshua / Christ Jesus.
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