Can a person having the Holy Spirit be condemned?

Can a person at the time of judgement, having the Holy Spirit be condemned?

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  • No, a person having the Holy Spirit is a child of God and will be freed in judgement.

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  • Yes, a person having the Holy Spirit at judgement can be condemned because of disobedience.

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corinth77777

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Hmm, it wouldn't really make much sense for Scripture to tell us to persevere then, let alone to exhort and warn about doing many such things. It's not that we don't need Jesus in order to persevere, it's just that we still remain the wildcard while He's always trustworthy and true. Man will always be obligated to be righteous, to be who he was created to be; but we must acknowledge our need for Him first of all in order to do even begin to do so. That's the major difference between the Old and new Covenants: "Apart for Me you can do nothing." But we must hear about Him and of His words an deeds -so that we know Him and decide, and keep deciding. We must become convinced, and remain convinced, growing in our resolution even as we make our calling and election sure.
Hmm, it wouldn't really make much sense for Scripture to tell us to persevere then, let alone to exhort and warn about doing many such things. It's not that we don't need Jesus in order to persevere, it's just that we still remain the wildcard while He's always trustworthy and true. Man will always be obligated to be righteous, to be who he was created to be; but we must acknowledge our need for Him first of all in order to do even begin to do so. That's the major difference between the Old and new Covenants: "Apart for Me you can do nothing." But we must hear about Him and of His words an deeds -so that we know Him and decide, and keep deciding. We must become convinced, and remain convinced, growing in our resolution even as we make our calling and election sure.
Another words an act of our will, knowing He has conquered the world. Some times it's mere encouragement....to keep the faith.
What Does the Bible Say About Endure?
 
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Give one scripture of PERSERVERENVE, so we can look at it...but now time to get up...must food prep for the week. Nice chatting with u....good stuff....
Thank you. How about two?

“At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.” Rom 24:11

“To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.” Rom 2:7
 
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Thank you. How about two?

“At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.” Rom 24:11

“To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.” Rom 2:7
All the first one is saying to me is to remain faithful until God shows up.
But we can only remain faithful in accordance with What God has already done, it is that finished work. HE MADE THE KINGDOM AVAILABLE TO US NOW.... He finished the work all we must do is Trust Jesus...Could we trust Him if we were not brought to know Him?


Yes he gives.eternal life....he came that we may have life and have it more a abundantly.

So we [some have] enter His spiritual kingdom now . For His kingdom is not eating or drinking but peace and Joy in the Holy Spirit. When we are caught up in the will of God or called into His purposes ...it is because we have faith, the faith that is a gift that is worked by/through love....so one might closely relate endurance to trusting in God. Which puts God at the forefront of our endurance...
 
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All the first one is saying to me is to remain faithful until God shows up.
But we can only remain faithful in accordance with What God has already done, it is that finished work. HE MADE THE KINGDOM AVAILABLE TO US NOW.... He finished the work all we must do is Trust Jesus...Could we trust Him if we were not brought to know Him?


Yes he gives.eternal life....he came that we may have life and have it more a abundantly.

So we [some have] enter His spiritual kingdom now . For His kingdom is not eating or drinking but peace and Joy in the Holy Spirit. When we are caught up in the will of God or called into His purposes ...it is because we have faith, the faith that is a gift that is worked by/through love....so one might closely relate endurance to trusting in God. Which puts God at the forefront of our endurance...
And all I'm saying is that we can still mistrust at any time; we can still leave the kingdom. This life is a test, a journey; we have obligation to God-and He will help us fulfill it. But He will not force the issue. That's why we have centuries of past human history with all of the pain and drama in this world since being exiled from Eden, just as we have past individual histories, within which we must struggle, experience good and evil, and strive and hopefully persevere until the end. There are no guarantees and we should not put the cart ahead of the horse by insisting that we can know with 100% certainty what God alone knows: who will persevere and who will not, whose names are written in the Book of Life and whose are not. If we remain faithful, if we continue to pick up our cross and follow Him, doing His will as best as we know how, if we remain steadfast, then we can and should have a strong level of assurance and confidence that we are His.

"Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city." Rev 22:14
 
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All the first one is saying to me is to remain faithful until God shows up.
But we can only remain faithful in accordance with What God has already done, it is that finished work. HE MADE THE KINGDOM AVAILABLE TO US NOW.... He finished the work all we must do is Trust Jesus...Could we trust Him if we were not brought to know Him?


Yes he gives eternal life....he came that we may have life and have it more abundantly.

So we [some have] enter His spiritual kingdom now for His kingdom is not eating or drinking but peace and Joy in the Holy Spirit. When we are caught up in the will of God or called into His purposes ...it is because we have faith, the faith that is a gift that is worked by/through love....so one might closely relate endurance to trusting in God. Which puts God at the forefront of our endurance...
We must labor to enter His rest....putting off the flesh... everyday in the Lord eating from Him should be a day of renewal. If we then enter His rest we have ceased from our own works...just maybe that makes sense when you think of Paul saying I press toward the Mark of the High calling in Jesus Christ.
If He must Press there is the broad gate that wants to keep us from the narrow...Trusting ourselves vs. Trusting God.
It’s 2 Timothy 2:12
I thought someone else wrote that....but I'll respond...then read it later...tks

Just seems like God turns His face on sin, and you cannot have the fellowship you once had...for He is Holy....and will remain Holy
Therefore He cannot deny Himself...

Since He is the life giver through His son, my opinion is if we get caught up in the cares of the world, where it becomes first...then you lose that fellowship until you repent....

The Joy of the Lord is our strengh
 
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Epg 1:10-14
In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will, to the end that we who were the first to hope in Christ would be to the praise of His glory. In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation--having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance ...

Rom 8:16-17
The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him.


If we have the Holy Spirit we are children of God right? Can a child of God really be condemned in the judgement because of disobedience? Doesn't a Christian first need to lose the Holy Spirit to be cast out of God's family to be condemned?
God gave us the holy spirit to guide us through life but some of us choose not to listen to it and that is a sin.

John 14:26 Jesus said "But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
 
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And all I'm saying is that we can still mistrust at any time; we can still leave the kingdom. This life is a test, a journey; we have obligation to God-and He will help us fulfill it. But He will not force the issue. That's why we have centuries of past human history with all of the pain and drama in this world since being exiled from Eden, just as we have past individual histories, within which we must struggle, experience good and evil, and strive and hopefully persevere until the end. There are no guarantees and we should not put the cart ahead of the horse by insisting that we can know with 100% certainty what God alone knows: who will persevere and who will not, whose names are written in the Book of Life and whose are not. If we remain faithful, if we continue to pick up our cross and follow Him, doing His will as best as we know how, if we remain steadfast, then we can and should have a strong level of assurance and confidence that we are His.

"Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city." Rev 22:14
"And all I'm saying" is while He maynot, "force the issue", He is the force behind our will [issue].
Philippians 2:13, [for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose]
 
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"And all I'm saying" is while He maynot, "force the issue", He is the force behind our will [issue].
Philippians 2:13, [for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose]
Yes, He is that force. And yet 'not forcing the issue' means that He still leaves the final choice up to us as to whether or not we'll respond even as He works within our wills. Had God wanted to simply manipulate man's will fully in order to bring him into right choices and obedience, then He may as have done that in Eden and prevented all the pain and misery and suffering and sin and evil that followed Adam's first wrong choice. Instead He's been patiently cultivating a right choice within man by working in and through him since Eden until the time was finally ripe for the full revelation and light in the person of Jesus Christ. Now our options and the consequences of our choices are more clear than ever, as the grace to choose rightly is also poured out. God calls and draws us, but His grace He ultimately allows to remain resistible. And to the extent that we choose rightly, He succeeds in bringing us into a state of justice.
 
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We have to remember that the law isn’t evil; it's holy, spiritual, and good in fact as Paul tells us in Rom 7. Its role is part of man's education/formation, because the law acted as a tutor, revealing or disclosing sin. IOW, the lesson to be learned is that man cannot be righteous on his own; man needs God. “Apart from Me you can do nothing.” John 15:5

Jesus didn’t come to simply remove condemnation from sin as if that means that we can sin without condemnation, as if the sin that opposes God’s will by its nature no longer earns the wages of death, as if He suddenly decided to ignore injustice. Jesus came to free us from sin, the right way, apart from the law but in communion with God the Spirit, the only true means for man to possess the righteousness he was simply created to have. Forgiveness of sin is won but also cleansing and rebirth into a new creation. If this isn’t true, and we continue to live by the flesh and wantonly commit sin, then we prove that we don’t really care about God and His ways even if we cared at one point. A change of heart and repentance are still always possible, however; God's forgiveness is inexhaustible. And change of heart is what this is all about. In this world man experiences darkness; he knows evil, directly, viscerally. And, especially when the true light is offered, how will he choose? And continue to choose?
 
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We have to remember that the law isn’t evil; it's holy, spiritual, and good in fact as Paul tells us in Rom 7. Its role is part of man's education/formation, because the law acted as a tutor, revealing or disclosing sin. IOW, the lesson to be learned is that man cannot be righteous on his own; man needs God. “Apart from Me you can do nothing.” John 15:5

Jesus didn’t come to simply remove condemnation from sin as if that means that we can sin without condemnation, as if the sin that opposes God’s will by its nature no longer earns the wages of death, as if He suddenly decided to ignore injustice. Jesus came to free us from sin, the right way, apart from the law but in communion with God the Spirit, the only true means for man to possess the righteousness he was simply created to have. Forgiveness of sin is won but also cleansing and rebirth into a new creation. If this isn’t true, and we continue to live by the flesh and wantonly commit sin, then we prove that we don’t really care about God and His ways even if we cared at one point. A change of heart and repentance are still always possible, however; God's forgiveness is inexhaustible. And change of heart is what this is all about. In this world man experiences darkness; he knows evil, directly, viscerally. And, especially when the true light is offered, how will he choose? And continue to choose?
I believe He gives us the Spirit to purify ourselves by it....what is this Spirit, is it the mind of Christ? Is it the living word? The life of Christ?
We know the gate is Narrow, and Jesus Christ is the way. He is the way to the Father. Another words, HE IS THE SOURCE OF......>>> SALVATION. Living out the life of Christ then is the way, and also in my view the way we uphold the law. This to me is where God can justify the believer so that we can walk with Him. Therefore the law of condemnation has no hold on those who live after the spirit.

He came so to destroy the works of the devil and it starts here and now with us;
When we live by The Spirit of Christ...
That means as you noted earlier there will be a change in our lives. Sometimes I want to say just Die flesh...But the war is in the battle of our will and denying the work of Satan, the world and the flesh starts with a step of faith, knowing that we are not alone....
 
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