Utah may decriminalize polygamy. No one should be surprised.

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'They feel like Utah has legalized prejudice against them. They want to be honest people, but feel like they have to lie or teach their children to lie about their families in order to stay safe.' Now, do those talking points sound familiar, or what?

Anyways, that brings us to Utah, where the issue of polygamy is again front and center. According to the Salt Lake City Tribune, a state-level bill that would decriminalize the practice among consenting adults has now been sent to the chamber for a vote after receiving unanimous endorsement from the state Senate committee. The Utah Senate Judiciary, Law Enforcement, and Criminal Justice Committee put the bill forward after testimony that rather ludicrously that laws prohibiting polygamy “labels law-abiding citizens as criminals.”

Current laws on the books state that polygamy is “a felony punishable by up to five years in prison, with an additional 15 years possible if the defendant is also convicted of fraud, child abuse, sexual abuse, domestic abuse or human smuggling or trafficking.” The proposed decriminalization would reduce the practice to a mere infraction, which not only carries no jailtime but actually makes polygamy between consenting adults a lesser infraction than many traffic offenses, with fines reaching only $750 with potential court-mandated community service for perpetrators with other charges.

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'They feel like Utah has legalized prejudice against them. They want to be honest people, but feel like they have to lie or teach their children to lie about their families in order to stay safe.' Now, do those talking points sound familiar, or what?

Anyways, that brings us to Utah, where the issue of polygamy is again front and center. According to the Salt Lake City Tribune, a state-level bill that would decriminalize the practice among consenting adults has now been sent to the chamber for a vote after receiving unanimous endorsement from the state Senate committee. The Utah Senate Judiciary, Law Enforcement, and Criminal Justice Committee put the bill forward after testimony that rather ludicrously that laws prohibiting polygamy “labels law-abiding citizens as criminals.”

Current laws on the books state that polygamy is “a felony punishable by up to five years in prison, with an additional 15 years possible if the defendant is also convicted of fraud, child abuse, sexual abuse, domestic abuse or human smuggling or trafficking.” The proposed decriminalization would reduce the practice to a mere infraction, which not only carries no jailtime but actually makes polygamy between consenting adults a lesser infraction than many traffic offenses, with fines reaching only $750 with potential court-mandated community service for perpetrators with other charges.

Link: Utah may decriminalize polygamy. No one should be surprised.

What is the rationale for criminalizing it?
 
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'They feel like Utah has legalized prejudice against them. They want to be honest people, but feel like they have to lie or teach their children to lie about their families in order to stay safe.' Now, do those talking points sound familiar, or what?

Anyways, that brings us to Utah, where the issue of polygamy is again front and center. According to the Salt Lake City Tribune, a state-level bill that would decriminalize the practice among consenting adults has now been sent to the chamber for a vote after receiving unanimous endorsement from the state Senate committee. The Utah Senate Judiciary, Law Enforcement, and Criminal Justice Committee put the bill forward after testimony that rather ludicrously that laws prohibiting polygamy “labels law-abiding citizens as criminals.”

Current laws on the books state that polygamy is “a felony punishable by up to five years in prison, with an additional 15 years possible if the defendant is also convicted of fraud, child abuse, sexual abuse, domestic abuse or human smuggling or trafficking.” The proposed decriminalization would reduce the practice to a mere infraction, which not only carries no jailtime but actually makes polygamy between consenting adults a lesser infraction than many traffic offenses, with fines reaching only $750 with potential court-mandated community service for perpetrators with other charges.

Link: Utah may decriminalize polygamy. No one should be surprised.
Well, there are already 'throuples' on HGTV. So how could it be a surprise?
 
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If this passes, I wonder how many Muslims in the US will move to Utah.
They won't need to. It will be a thing nationwide in a few short years. After all, it is necessary if the rights of the B people are to be respected fully in this twisted version of America.
 
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They won't need to. It will be a thing nationwide in a few short years. After all, it is necessary if the rights of the B people are to be respected fully in this twisted version of America.
It'll be a tougher sell outside of Utah.
 
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Didn't the Mormon 'Church' split over this some years back, and a large number went to Mexico to live this way?

I believe that actually happened in the days of the Wild West. The Federal Government was going to crack down on it, sending in troops to Utah etc. but the Mormon prophet of the day got a new revelation of monogamy.
 
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I believe that actually happened in the days of the Wild West. The Federal Government was going to crack down on it, sending in troops to Utah etc. but the Mormon prophet of the day got a new revelation of monogamy.

Yes so the spiritual precedent was set way back...

Not surprising we see this today.
 
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Under this, will women be allowedn to have more than one husband? Just wondering.
It states that it will decriminalize polygamy, which is defined as: the practice or custom of having more than one wife or husband at the same time.

So, I guess this goes for either. What a disaster!
 
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If this passes, I wonder how many Muslims in the US will move to Utah.

Maybe all the polygamous Mormons can go live in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, et al. instead. It'll be perfect: they can all deny Christ and follow a latter-day false prophet with a penchant for young girls and multiple wives (including those already married to other men) together.
 
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It'll be a tougher sell outside of Utah.
For a few months. Then we will have bakers and florists sued for not baking throuple wedding cakes and doing throuple wedding flower arrangements. It'll be a thing.
 
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'They feel like Utah has legalized prejudice against them. They want to be honest people, but feel like they have to lie or teach their children to lie about their families in order to stay safe.' Now, do those talking points sound familiar, or what?

Anyways, that brings us to Utah, where the issue of polygamy is again front and center. According to the Salt Lake City Tribune, a state-level bill that would decriminalize the practice among consenting adults has now been sent to the chamber for a vote after receiving unanimous endorsement from the state Senate committee. The Utah Senate Judiciary, Law Enforcement, and Criminal Justice Committee put the bill forward after testimony that rather ludicrously that laws prohibiting polygamy “labels law-abiding citizens as criminals.”

Current laws on the books state that polygamy is “a felony punishable by up to five years in prison, with an additional 15 years possible if the defendant is also convicted of fraud, child abuse, sexual abuse, domestic abuse or human smuggling or trafficking.” The proposed decriminalization would reduce the practice to a mere infraction, which not only carries no jailtime but actually makes polygamy between consenting adults a lesser infraction than many traffic offenses, with fines reaching only $750 with potential court-mandated community service for perpetrators with other charges.

Link: Utah may decriminalize polygamy. No one should be surprised.

Yeah that might be one of the more unsurprising developments in recent memory...
 
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Does no one wish to defend the idea that it should be a crime to marry multiple partners?
Being the status quo, I would think it the responsibility of those who want to change it to defend their position. But then they would be in the position of trying to teach something contrary to the Catholic faith in OBOB. I think we can presume in this forum that this particular status quo should stand as is. Don't need to defend it. Someone might do that for you though, but it isn't strictly necessary.
 
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Being the status quo, I would think it the responsibility of those who want to change it to defend their position. But then they would be in the position of trying to teach something contrary to the Catholic faith in OBOB. I think we can presume in this forum that this particular status quo should stand as is. Don't need to defend it. Someone might do that for you though, but it isn't strictly necessary.

I am not asking anyone to defend polygamy , I am asking for the rationale behind making it a civil crime. It is against the Catholic Faith to engage in a number of practices outside of polygamy that are not considered civil crimes and the Catholic Church AFAIK is not advocating for making things like adultery or divorce civil crimes punishable by jail time. I am under the impression that the Catholic Church does not advocate jail time for women having an abortion despite the Church's definite opposition to abortion. I am not even asking specifically for the Catholic Church's position on whether polygamy should be punished by civil authorities. All I want to know is why anyone here thinks it is appropriate for the civil authorities to punish polygamy as a crime punishable by incarceration?
 
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I am worried about this kind of thing because I truly think it will disincentivize people who want to cheat on their spouses (but refrain from it) to stay loyal to them. All the spouse has to say to the other person is something like "I'm not committing adultery if it's a second spouse instead, you can't accuse me of cheating on you" or something like that. I really think that if the legal barrier is broken, then people will truly marry an additional spouse and can cop out by saying that it's not really adultery, and many marriages will be destroyed by that. I know for me that it would disincentivize me to marry at all.
 
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