The Ghastly Eternal Torment Dogma

Der Alte · Feb 17, 2020

Jamieson, Faussett and Brown Commentary.
bring again ... captivity — that is, change the affliction into prosperity (so Job_42:10). Sodom itself was not so restored (Jer_20:16), but Ammon and Moab (her representatives, as sprung from Lot who dwelt in Sodom) were (Jer_48:47; Jer_49:6); probably most of the ten tribes and the adjoining nations, Ammon and Moab, etc., were in part restored under Cyrus; but the full realization of the restoration is yet future; the heathen nations to be brought to Christ being typified by “Sodom,” whose sins they now reproduce (Deu_32:32).
captivity of thy captives — literally, “of thy captivities.” However, the gracious promise rather begins with the “nevertheless” (Eze_16:60), not here; for Eze_16:59 is a threat, not a promise. The sense here thus is, Thou shalt be restored when Sodom and Samaria are, but not till then (Eze_16:55), that is, never. This applies to the guilty who should be utterly destroyed (Eze_16:41, Eze_16:42); but it does not contradict the subsequent promise of restoration to their posterity (Num_14:29-33), and to the elect remnant of grace [Calvin].

nolidad · Feb 17, 2020

Saint Steven said:
Are you blowing smoke up my blue ephod again? - lol

not at all! What we say with a multiple of words, the greeks said with prefixes and suffixes to words!

Saint Steven said:
From today's Thomas Allin reading.

The restoration of Elam

Jeremiah 25:25, 27
25 all the kings of Zimri, Elam and Media; ...
27 “Then tell them, ‘This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says:
Drink, get drunk and vomit, and fall to rise no more because of the sword I will send among you.’

Jeremiah 49:39
“Yet I will restore the fortunes of Elam
in days to come,”
declares the Lord.

You are not serious are you? One speaks of the kings of nations, while Jer. 49 speaks of the nation called Elam!

Saint Steven said:
From today's Thomas Allin reading.

The restoration of Sodom and Gomorrah from "eternal" fire

Jude 1:7
In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

Zephaniah 2:9
Therefore, as surely as I live,”
declares the Lord Almighty,
the God of Israel,
“surely Moab will become like Sodom,
the Ammonites like Gomorrah—
a place of weeds and salt pits,
a wasteland forever.
The remnant of my people will plunder them;
the survivors of my nation will inherit their land.”

Ezekiel 16:53
“‘However, I will restore the fortunes of Sodom and her daughters and of Samaria and her daughters, and your fortunes along with them,

One again poor reading skills lead to faulty conclusions!

Jude shows the punishment of Sodom and Gomorrah as an EXAMPLE to those who will suffer eternal flames like those towns were burnt by God!

And the Zeph/Ezekiel quotes once again are places versus people. And eternal there is owlam which in th eOT can mean either an undefined time or eternal depending on context.

Fail again by the Author of th is snippet.

Saint Steven said:
There may be hope for you after all.

I have that living hope! But being called is for this life only! ONce a person dies, judgment is set!

Saint Steven said:
That's nonsense. Here they are below.
You say:
- they all refer to this life
- out of biblical context

However, we agree that they say what they say.
But what do they say?

1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

Romans 5:15-16
But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.

Romans 5:18-19
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people,
so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.
19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners,
so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

Colossians 1:19-20
For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

1 Timothy 2:3-4
This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.

1 Timothy 4:10
That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God,
who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

Once again you ignor context.

Yes Jesus is the Savior of all mankind! But in order to receive that salvation one must place their trust in Christ while they live! Otherwise they are lost!

You cannot ignore the hard verses like John 3:17 and John 3:36 among dozens of others.

John 3:36 King James Version (KJV)
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Abideth means to stay or remain or tarry!

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

See in English Braxey is superfically8 more accurate than you . At least teh english words speak of destgruction.

But when one goes past English and goes past a basic dictionary (concordance) of Hebrew and Greek we see another thing clearly played out!

See all the passages you wrote are absolutely true! And all the passages I write are absolutely true! They are nor mutually exclusive- But they do speak of this life! that is why thhe early church believed this and fought against the origenian and gnostic heresies and Sadducean heresy.

The story of Lazarusanbd the rich man! Perfect example. Abraham could have told the rich man to just simply repent and come over to the other side! But Abraham did say there was a gulf fixed so that the ones in torment could not pass over to the side of comfort and blessing!

Saint Steven said:
Are you calling an English translation of the Bible "GODS WORD"?

Well if you think it is the Word of Men then do not quote from it anymore!

But to pluck that log from your eye:

I believe in the inerrancy of the Word of God in their original autographs. Every translation suffers from taking a word in one language and bringing it to another. However all translations that are not agenda driven (like the RSV, the emphatic diaglott, Moffats, and Goodspeeds) are faithful in their communication of sound doctrine!

If you do not agree with that then do not quote englsih bible verses to me!

Saint Steven said:
I think both Annihilationism and Purgatory theories were dialed-back from the horror of Damnationism. Purgatory is close to what I had in mind. A chance to purge any baggage that needs to go. Not a burning of a person, but of their issues. (results of sin) There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Like burning chaff, the grain is unharmed.

Malachi 3:2 NIV
But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears? For he will be like a refiner’s fire or a launderer’s soap.

1 Corinthians 3:12-15 ESV
Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw— 13 each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. 14 If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.

Well restorationism is a emotional response to what the SCriptures teach unambiguously. To those who think it is ambiguous, most are from emotional horror than factual data from the Word.

And 1 Cor. 3: iscalled the bema seat judgment which is for believers only! We arte not saved by works, but we work because we are called to do so! OUr works are judged fo the purpose of reward and place in the kingdom, but this is not a judgment where unbelievers are judged according to their works.

Once agian studying shows this is true. and learning the difference between a bema and thronos judgment!

nolidad · Feb 17, 2020

FineLinen said:
Exciting information indeed! Was it your "advanced linguistic tools" that brought you to such a wonderful conclusion, or the Father whom the Saviour of the all revealed as Dearest Daddy?

Maybe it is a combination of both, with dokeó & mataiotes added to the atrocious linguistic tools.

Me thinks you hold this view to mask your laziness in sharing th egospel to a lost and dying world. I cannot wish you success in the heresy you promuilgate. But as this will be my last response ot you (your phony piousness is revolting) I will gladly let God judge between me and thee!

I would love to think the way you do, but unfortunately, a real study of Gods Word has shown me the lie you have been enslaved by and will resist with every fiber of my being!

FineLinen · Feb 17, 2020

nolidad said:
Yes Jesus is the Savior of all mankind! But in order to receive that salvation one must place their trust in Christ while they live! Otherwise they are lost!

The Lord IS the salvation of ALL mankind.

He is NOT a potential Saviour, He IS Saviour.

nolidad · Feb 17, 2020

Der Alter said:
John also wrote the following which shows that John did NOT believe that all mankind would be saved righteous and unrighteous alike, even after death.

1 John 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
1 John 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him
1 John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
1 Jn 2:17 he that does NOT the will of God abides NOT for ever.
1 Jn 3:10 the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.
1 Jn 5:12 he that has not the Son of God has not life.
When John wrote 1 Jn 2: 2 do you think he forgot what he wrote in the other verses or vice versa?

The Greek word translated "may have mercy" is in the subjunctive mood the mood of possibility and potentiality it may or may not happen.
If Paul had meant that it was a done deal he would have written it in the future active indicative as he did in Rom 9:9, 1 Cor 7:28

Paul wrote "in Christ" NOT "by Christ." All mankind is "in Adam" because all mankind are direct, literal descendants of Adam but not all mankind is in Christ.
What did Paul mean by "in Christ?"

Romans 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Not in Christ, no redemption.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Not in Christ and walk after the flesh, condemnation.

2 Corinthians 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
Not in Christ, the veil is not taken away.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Not in Christ, not a new creature, old things are not passed away.

Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
Not in Christ, not gathered together.

Ephesian 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Not in Christ, still afar off, not nigh.

2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
Not in Christ, do not obtain salvation, no eternal glory.
Also in three separate letters Paul identified several groups who have no inheritance in Christ.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
(9) Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men
(10) nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Galatians 5:19-21
(19) The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery;
(20) idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions
(21) and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Ephesians 5:5
(5) For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a person is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
1 Corinthians 3:17
(17) If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy that person; for God's temple is sacred, and you together are that temple.

I do not know if we shall ever persuade St.Steven and fine linen. I am convinced they are brethren, but have been ensnared by this hideous doctrine! But I will continuie to openly oppose them, so that vunerable young Christians will not be caught in the same decption thestr two have sadly been caught in!

nolidad · Feb 17, 2020

FineLinen said:
The Lord IS the salvation of ALL mankind.

He is NOT a potential Saviour, He IS Saviour.

I fully agree. But ABBA has made a caveat in order for a person to benefit from that salvation! One must trust in HIm directly and with full knowledge and heart assent!

By becoming Savior of all mankind- Jesus removed any other means of a person to be saved. No works, no intentions, no well meaning misguided beliefs etc.etc.etc.

Daddy Dearest taugh His Precious son to also say this:

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

See from verse 36? SHALL NOT SEE LIFE? They shall not see aionios zoe, but Gods wrath remains on them!

Commit this verse to memory as well!

ROMANS 9:

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

You can continue in your merry blindness- that is your privilege. Bu tknow that ABBA and Pantokrator will chasten you sorely for promoting something He does not hold to!

FineLinen · Feb 17, 2020

nolidad said:
I fully agree. But ABBA has made a caveat in order for a person to benefit from that salvation!

The salvation of the Lord is NOT based in anything but Himself! His middle Name is salvation. His mighty salvation has no man made caveats of what you must do! Drowning sinners who are lost, have no way of saving themselves. They can glug, glug, glug until the Lifeguard, the Glorious One saves them!

The Lord IS the salvation of ALL mankind.

He is NOT a potential Saviour, He IS Saviour.

FineLinen · Feb 17, 2020

nolidad said:
You can continue in your merry blindness- that is your privilege. Bu tknow that ABBA and Pantokrator will chasten you sorely for promoting something He does not hold to!

Dear St. Paul: Please be aware you will be chastened severely for your limited grasp of our Abba & Ruler of the all.

"He made known to us the secret of His will. And this is in harmony with God's merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it--the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him."

FineLinen · Feb 17, 2020

nolidad said:
I do not know if we shall ever persuade St.Steven and fine linen. I am convinced they are brethren, but have been ensnared by this hideous doctrine! But I will continuie to openly oppose them, so that vunerable young Christians will not be caught in the same decption thestr two have sadly been caught in!

My friend, It is with pleasure my brother the Saint, along with countless others of stature of whom I will not bore you, have indeed been "ensnared" by the One who is unlimited in His purposes in His beloved Son.

So, one of the limited member's of our Father's Realm, post till your scope is enlarged or you tire of the challenge.

"For we have no power against the truth, but only for the furtherance of the truth"

Hillsage · Feb 17, 2020

ISA 4:4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.

Pretty much tells what God's purposes are for JUDGMENT and FIRE. So it just boils down to when it happens FOR ALL. Thank God God's plan wasn't as temporal as his sinful temporal church.

Der Alte · Feb 17, 2020

nolidad said:
I do not know if we shall ever persuade St.Steven and fine linen. I am convinced they are brethren, but have been ensnared by this hideous doctrine! But I will continuie to openly oppose them, so that vunerable young Christians will not be caught in the same decption thestr two have sadly been caught in!

That is my goal as well. Keep posting and exposing the errors of UR.

Saint Steven · Feb 17, 2020

nolidad said:
You are not serious are you? One speaks of the kings of nations, while Jer. 49 speaks of the nation called Elam!

The kings are the representatives of the nations. As the king goes, so goes the nation.

Saint Steven said: ↑
From today's Thomas Allin reading.

The restoration of Elam

Jeremiah 25:25, 27
25 all the kings of Zimri, Elam and Media; ...
27 “Then tell them, ‘This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says:
Drink, get drunk and vomit, and fall to rise no more because of the sword I will send among you.’

Jeremiah 49:39
“Yet I will restore the fortunes of Elam
in days to come,”
declares the Lord.

Saint Steven · Feb 17, 2020

nolidad said:
One again poor reading skills lead to faulty conclusions!

Jude shows the punishment of Sodom and Gomorrah as an EXAMPLE to those who will suffer eternal flames like those towns were burnt by God!

And the Zeph/Ezekiel quotes once again are places versus people. And eternal there is owlam which in th eOT can mean either an undefined time or eternal depending on context.

Fail again by the Author of th is snippet.

You are missing the point. What was called "eternal" was in fact only temporary.

Saint Steven said: ↑
From today's Thomas Allin reading.

The restoration of Sodom and Gomorrah from "eternal" fire

Jude 1:7
In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

Zephaniah 2:9
Therefore, as surely as I live,”
declares the Lord Almighty,
the God of Israel,
“surely Moab will become like Sodom,
the Ammonites like Gomorrah—
a place of weeds and salt pits,
a wasteland forever.
The remnant of my people will plunder them;
the survivors of my nation will inherit their land.”

Ezekiel 16:53
“‘However, I will restore the fortunes of Sodom and her daughters and of Samaria and her daughters, and your fortunes along with them,

Saint Steven · Feb 17, 2020

nolidad said:
Once again you ignor context.

Yes Jesus is the Savior of all mankind! But in order to receive that salvation one must place their trust in Christ while they live! Otherwise they are lost!

You just swept away eight scriptures claiming context.
And then applied your doctrinal opinion as a refutation.
I thought we agreed that these say what they say.
But you head off in another direction to get away as fast as you can.

Saint Steven said: ↑
That's nonsense. Here they are below.
You say:
- they all refer to this life
- out of biblical context

However, we agree that they say what they say.
But what do they say?

1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

Romans 5:15-16
But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.

Romans 5:18-19
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people,
so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.
19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners,
so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

Colossians 1:19-20
For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

1 Timothy 2:3-4
This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.

1 Timothy 4:10
That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God,
who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

Saint Steven · Feb 17, 2020

nolidad said:
See all the passages you wrote are absolutely true! And all the passages I write are absolutely true! They are nor mutually exclusive- But they do speak of this life! that is why thhe early church believed this and fought against the origenian and gnostic heresies and Sadducean heresy.

There was an east and a west/Latin part of the early church. The east/Latin church was against Origen in the east. The same western/Latin church that gave us a biased Bible translation.

Saint Steven · Feb 17, 2020

nolidad said:
I do not know if we shall ever persuade St.Steven and fine linen. I am convinced they are brethren, but have been ensnared by this hideous doctrine! But I will continuie to openly oppose them, so that vunerable young Christians will not be caught in the same decption thestr two have sadly been caught in!

Where is the harm?
Is it not worse to claim that our loving heavenly Father is a tyrannical monster?
Many these days want nothing to do with a God that would burn people forever in hell.
We offer a reasonable alternative to the common view. But Christians love hell so much, they will fight tooth and nail to preserve it.

Saint Steven · Feb 17, 2020

From today's Thomas Allin reading.

The restoration of Egypt

Jeremiah 25:19, 27
19 Pharaoh king of Egypt, his attendants, his officials and all his people, ...
27 “Then tell them, ‘This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says:
Drink, get drunk and vomit, and fall to rise no more because of the sword I will send among you.’

Ezekiel 29:13-14
“‘Yet this is what the Sovereign Lord says: At the end of forty years I will gather the Egyptians from the nations where they were scattered.
14 I will bring them back from captivity and return them to Upper Egypt, the land of their ancestry. There they will be a lowly kingdom.

Der Alte · Feb 17, 2020

Saint Steven said:
There was an east and a west/Latin part of the early church. The east/Latin church was against Origen in the east. The same western/Latin church that gave us a biased Bible translation.

How does a UR-ite determine that a Bible version is biased? Wait I know. If it contradicts UR doctrine it is "biased" if it supports UR doctrine then it is not biased. It has nothing to do with correct translation of the Hebrew and Greek.
Here is how the Eastern Orthodox Church translates Matthew 25:46. Since this contradicts UR doctrine they must me biased too.

Matthew 25: Then he will answer them, saying’ Amen. I tell you: as much as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ 46 These [the ones on the left] will go away into eternal punishment. hut the righteous into eternal life.”
https://azbyka.ru/otechnik/books/or...tament-(The-Eastern-Greek-Orthodox-Bible).pdf

Hillsage · Feb 17, 2020

Saint Steven said:
There was an east and a west/Latin part of the early church. The east/Latin church was against Origen in the east. The same western/Latin church that gave us a biased Bible translation.

Gee I wonder why he wasn't considered anathematized until after he was dead...300 years. Probably wasn't because the church had become the political religious ruler of ther world....leading it right into the spiritual dark ages for a thousand years huh? I just wonder how many of the ETers here would sign a statement of doctrinal agreement with the 'church' today who claims their roots go all the way back to then? Oh consistency thou art a jewel to be sought for. :doh:

Der Alte · Feb 17, 2020

Saint Steven said:
You are missing the point. What was called "eternal" was in fact only temporary.....

Eighteen examples of the Hebrew “olam” in apposition which shows conclusively it means eternal.

Exodus 3:15
[1](15) And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this
is my name for ever,[עולם/olam] and this is my memorial unto all generations.

In this vs. “olam” is in apposition, see definition below, to “unto all generations.” “age(s),” a finite period, does not equate to “unto all generations,”“eternal” does.

Psalms 119:44
[2](44) So shall I keep thy law continually for ever [עולם/olam] and ever.[עד/ad]

In this vs. “olam” and “ad” is in apposition to “continually.” “age(s),” a finite period, does not equate to “continually,” “eternal” does.

Psalms 21:4
[3](4) He asked life of thee, and thou gavest it him, even length of days for ever [עולם/olam] and ever.[עד/ad]

In this vs. “olam” is in apposition to “length of days”. “age(s),” a finite period, does not equate to “length of days, “eternal does.

Psalms 45:17
[4](17) I will make thy name to be remembered in all generations: therefore shall the people praise thee [עולם/olam] and ever:[עד/ad]

In this vs. “olam” is in apposition to “all generations,””age(s),” a finite period, does not equate to “all generations”, “eternal” does.

Ezekiel 27:36
[5](36) The merchants among the people shall hiss at thee; thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt be any more. [עד־עולם/ad-olam]

In this vs. “olam” is contrasted with “never shall be”, “age(s),” a finite period, is not the opposite of “never shall be,” “eternal” is.

Ezekiel 28:19
[6](19) All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more. [עד־עולם/ad-olam]

In this vs. “olam” is contrasted with “never shall be”, “age(s),” a finite period, is not the opposite of “never shall be,” “eternal” is.

Psa 33:11
[7](11) The counsel of the LORD standeth for ever, [ עולם] the thoughts of his heart to all generations.

In this vs. “olam” is in apposition to “to all generations,””age(s),” a finite period, does not equate to “to all generations,” “eternal” does.

Psa 146:10 The LORD shall reign for ever, even thy God, O Zion, unto all generations. Praise ye the [8]LORD.

In this vs. “olam” is in apposition to “to all generations,””age(s),” a finite period, does not equate to “to all generations,” “eternal” does.

Psa 37:28
[9](28) For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: [ עולם] but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.
even thy God, O Zion, unto all generations. Praise ye the LORD.

In this vs. “olam” is in apposition to “unto all generations,””age(s),” a finite period, does not equate to “unto all generations,” “eternal” does.

[10]Ecc 3:14
(14) I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: [ עולם] nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.

In this vs. nothing can be added or taken away from God’s acts. “age(s),“ a finite period, does not equate to “nothing can be added or taken away from God acts” “eternal” does.

Isa 51:6
[11](6) Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, [ עולם] and my righteousness shall not be abolished.

In this vs. “olam” is in apposition to “shall not be abolished”, “age(s),” a finite period, does not equate to “shall not be abolished,” “eternal” does.

Isa 51:8
[12](8) For the moth shall eat them up like a garment, and the worm shall eat them like wool: but my righteousness shall be for ever, [ עולם] and my salvation from generation to generation.

In this vs. “olam” is in apposition to “generation to generation,”age(s),” a finite period, does not equate to “generation to generation,” “eternal” does.

[13]Dan 4:34
(34) And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting [ עולם] dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation:

In this vs. “olam” is in apposition to “from generation to generation,”age(s),” a finite period, does not equate to “from generation to generation,” “eternal” does.

Dan 4:3
[14](3) How great are his signs, how mighty his wonders! His kingdom is an eternal [ עולם] kingdom; his dominion endures from generation to generation.

In this vs. “olam” is in apposition to “from generation to generation,”age(s),” does not equate to “from generation to generation,” “eternal” does.

Dan 7:14
[15](14) He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting [ עולם] dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

In this vs. “olam” is in apposition to “will not pass away” and “never be destroyed,” “age(s),” a finite period, does not equate to “will not pass away, never be destroyed”, “eternal” does.

Jer 23:40
[16](40) I will bring on you everlasting disgrace [ עולם] —everlasting shame [ עולם] that will not be forgotten."

In this vs. “olam” is in apposition to “will not be forgotten,” “age(s),” a finite period, does not equate to “will not be forgotten,””eternal” does.

Jer 50:5
[17](5) They will ask the way to Zion and turn their faces toward it. They will come and bind themselves to the LORD in an everlasting [ עולם] covenant that will not be forgotten.

In this vs. “olam” is in apposition to “will not be forgotten,””age(s),” a finite period, does not equate to “will not be forgotten,” ”eternal” does.

Hab 1:12
[18](12) LORD, are you not from everlasting? [ עולם] My God, my Holy One, you will never die. You, LORD, have appointed them to execute judgment; you, my Rock, have ordained them to punish.

In this vs. “olam” is in apposition to “will never die,””age(s),” a finite period, does not equate to “will never die,” ”eternal” does.
Here are four examples of the Hebrew “ad” in apposition which show conclusively that it means “eternal.”

Psa 21:4
[1](4) He asked life of thee, and thou gavest it him, even length of days for ever and ever [עד/ad]

In this vs. “ad” is in apposition to “length of days.” “age(s),” a finite period, does not equate to “length of days,” “eternal” does.

Psa 119:44
[2](44) So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever.[עד/ad]

In this vs. “ad” is in apposition with “continually.” “age(s)” does not equate to “continually” “eternal” does.

Psa 45:17
[3](17) I will make thy name to be remembered in all generations: therefore shall the people praise thee for ever and ever.[עד/ad]

In this vs. “ad” is in apposition with “in all generations.” “Age(s)” does not equate to “all generations”

Pro 12:19
[4](19) The lip of truth shall be established for ever: [עד/ad] but a lying tongue is but for a moment.

In this vs. “ad” is contrasted with ”for a moment.” “Age(s)” is not opposite to “for a moment” “eternal” is.
The definition of “apposition” from a Hebrew grammar.

§131. Apposition.
131
a 1. Apposition in the stricter sense is the collocation of two substantives in the same case in order to define more exactly (or to complete) the one by the other, and, as a rule (see, however, below, under g), the former by the latter. Apposition in Hebrew (as in the other Semitic languages[1]) is by no means confined to those cases in which it is used in English or in the classical languages. It is not infrequently found when either the subordination of one substantive to the other or some more circumstantial kind of epexegetical addition would be expected.
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Gesenius%27_Hebrew_Grammar/131._Apposition

How do I explain your examples? Hyperbole! In your examples olam is not defined or described by other adjectives/adjectival phrases as a period shorter than eternal, as in the verses I quoted.
Here is a verse where God clearly uses hyperbole.

Ezekiel 32:3-6
3 Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will therefore spread out my net over thee with a company of many people; and they shall bring thee up in my net.
4 Then will I leave thee upon the land, I will cast thee forth upon the open field, and will cause all the fowls of the heaven to remain upon thee, and I will fill the beasts of the whole earth with thee.
5 And I will lay thy flesh upon the mountains, and fill the valleys with thy height.
6 I will also water with thy blood the land wherein thou swimmest, even to the mountains; and the rivers shall be full of thee.

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