At what point does associating with sinners become wrong?

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Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? -- 2 Corinthians 6
........ Even when you are holding someone else's hand, that other hand does not have that kind of connection with your body. That's the difference.

Christians sin.


so, don't have fellowship with those sinners who call themselves 'xian'....
who sin instead of repenting,
'for what fellowship has light with darkness'....

the bible draws the line very specifically and clearly....

doesn't anyone read the bible ?
 
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so, don't have fellowship with those sinners who call themselves 'xian'....
who sin instead of repenting,
'for what fellowship has light with darkness'....

the bible draws the line very specifically and clearly....

doesn't anyone read the bible ?

What's the weather like up there on that high horse?
 
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so, don't have fellowship with those sinners who call themselves 'xian'....
who sin instead of repenting,
'for what fellowship has light with darkness'....

the bible draws the line very specifically and clearly....

doesn't anyone read the bible ?

Nope. ;)

We are not supposed to isolate ourselves from the world like monks but rather to be a "light" to those who don't know Christ. We aren't supposed to join them in their sinful behavior but to show them a better way. It's no more complicated than that.
 
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so, don't have fellowship with those sinners who call themselves 'xian'....
who sin instead of repenting,
'for what fellowship has light with darkness'....

the bible draws the line very specifically and clearly....

doesn't anyone read the bible ?

:thumbsup:

Paul clearly lines this out in 1 Corinthians 5:9-13.
 
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Paul clearly lines this out in 1 Corinthians 5:9-13.

I wish that more people who claim to be Christians would read these verses, especially verses 12 and 13. This is especially relevant for those who are vocal in their opposition to homosexuals.
 
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I wish that more people who claim to be Christians would read these verses, especially verses 12 and 13. This is especially relevant for those who are vocal in their opposition to homosexuals.

I understand, yet concentrating on that one sin nearly incessantly no matter which stance one takes is at the point of ad nauseum. :sorry:
 
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Yhvh is the important voice, and He is eternally opposed to abominations, even if no one else says anything at all.

..... and to liars, greedy, covetousness, adulterers, politicians(read with understanding),
idolators, (chruches full of idolators), witchcraft of all sorts(including simple selfishness as He says, as it is written).....

sin is sin and He is against all sin. what's so hard to understand ?
 
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1 Corinthians 5:9-13Amplified Bible (AMP)

9 I wrote you in my [previous] letter not to associate [closely and habitually] with unchaste (impure) people-

10 Not [meaning of course that you must] altogether shun the immoral people of this world, or the greedy graspers and cheats and thieves or idolaters, since otherwise you would need to get out of the world and human society altogether!

11 But now I write to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of [Christian] brother if he is known to be guilty of immorality or greed,

or is an idolater [whose soul is devoted to any object that usurps the place of God] ... .... .... ...
 
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, or is a person with a foul tongue [railing, abusing, reviling, slandering], or is a drunkard or a swindler or a robber. [No] you must not so much as eat with such a person.

12 What [business] of mine is it and what right have I to judge outsiders? Is it not those inside [the church] upon whom you are to pass disciplinary judgment [passing censuring sentence on them as the facts require]?

13 God alone sits in judgment on those who are outside. Drive out that wicked one from among you [expel him from your church].
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I wish that more people who claim to be Christians would read these verses, especially verses 12 and 13. This is especially relevant for those who are vocal in their opposition to homosexuals.

So you are saying that churches should purge gays because they are not only unrepentant sinners, but they are proud of their sin? That seems a little harsh.
 
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Jesus didnt avoid even sinners caught up in sinful lifestyles. I dont think Christians should shun people, but at what point does associating yourself with a person who practices sin become unequally yoked"?
Keep in mind that eating dinner with someone isn't the same as forming a long term relationship. Jesus met with sinners that God was calling, as evidenced by their response to Him and His message. When Jesus went to a city where His message was rejected, he simply moved on and didn't linger. His contact with sinners was mission specific.

I would not advise forming a long term relationship with people involved in immorality because it does have a way of bringing you down, even if you don't start sinning the way they are.
 
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So you are saying that churches should purge gays because they are not only unrepentant sinners, but they are proud of their sin? That seems a little harsh.
Yes, they should. Along with the other fornicators, adulters, etc. Modern churches aren't serious about walking with God though, as they just want to bring in the cash. Might as well put up a statue of Mammon in there at the alter.
 
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Here's the Logos commentary by R P Martin on 2 Cor 6:14 ff:

"If, however, a broader scope is given to ἄπιστοι here, we may ask what kind of union and to what extent Christians are to refrain from becoming yokefellows with non-Christians. On the one hand, it appears unlikely that Paul was asking the Corinthians to cease all contact with the Gentile world. He recognized that this was an impossibility (1 Cor 5:10), though his counsel was evidently misunderstood. In terms of business and ordinary social kindness, Paul would exhort the believers to be good witnesses (Filson, 352). Paul did not ask his converts to come out of the world (or even “to abstain from non-Christian dinner parties,” Barrett, 196). Also, we note how Paul became “all things to all men” (1 Cor 9:20–23).

"Rather, Paul warns against compromising the integrity of faith (Hughes, 246). Any action that would cause believers to link up with the world in thought or act (through indifference or connivance) must be avoided. Specifically, marriage (1 Cor 7:12–15) was one source of possible mismating."

That seems reasonable. Paul was writing to people whose major danger was probably falling back into pagan practices. Unfortunately Christians today are so split on the nature of the Christian life, that sometimes non-Christians may seem closer to living as Jesus taught than other Christians. I think that complicates any attempt to take this too literally.
 
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Some Christian pastors say, not just with regards to marriage, but also with friendships and the kind of people you associate with, to not hang out with sinners-and to be yoked with Christians.

Two questions I have.

Jesus didnt avoid even sinners caught up in sinful lifestyles. I dont think Christians should shun people, but at what point does associating yourself with a person who practices sin become unequally yoked"?

At what point does having a non christian friend cross the line into being unequally yoked?

The yoke thing is only related to marriage.

The line to draw is simple, when their influence lead you into sin.

In the Hebrew Scriptures, Kings were told not to marry women who would lead them to worship false gods.
 
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The yoke thing is only related to marriage.

The line to draw is simple, when their influence lead you into sin.

In the Hebrew Scriptures, Kings were told not to marry women who would lead them to worship false gods.

No, the "yoke thing" is broader than marriage, at least from a 1st century standpoint.

In the present time, we have casual acquaintances that we call "friends." But what Paul is talking about is that group that is deeper than a casual acquaintance, even deeper than blood relations. He's talking about "fellowship," a degree to which someone knows all your strengths and weaknesses, all your failings. He shares your burdens and you share his. If you're broke, he gives you a key to his house; if he's broke you give him a key to your house. You also share the same mission in life and strive together toward your common mission.

Paul would say that such a relationship of a Christian should only be with another Christian. And Paul expected Christians to have such a relationship with other Christians.
 
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Let's see...Jesus and the samaritan woman. Jesus and the woman caught in adultery. Jesus feeds the 5000. Jesus went, intentionally, TO the sinners. He ate with them (Zaccheus), He picked one for a disciple (Matthew the tax collector).

How about instead of judging who is a "sinner" and who isn't, remember that we ALL sin, daily. We have no business passing judgement on another's sin when we have sin in our own lives.
 
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I'd say this is not a black or white issue of what is a sin. It's more of a gray area that conscience should influence. Agree?

I agree that it's not a black or white issue. This is a good case for developing wisdom and, as someone else here suggested, praying for guidance; perhaps it's something you'll get a better feel for through trial and error. If you're hanging out with people who drink and smoke or use curse words that's probably not a big deal since those aren't moral issues (though they can become moral issues if it gets into abusing the drugs or the curses become hateful toward others).
 
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So you are saying that churches should purge gays because they are not only unrepentant sinners, but they are proud of their sin? That seems a little harsh.

You're entirely misinterpreting what I said. I never said anything like that.
 
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