The Ghastly Eternal Torment Dogma
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Don't let Noli blow too much smoke up your 'blue ephod' bro.
Remember their 'blue ephods' only have pomegranates on the hem and none of those clangy bells/gifts of the Holy Spirit which we crazimatics seek to walk in, along with the fruit."What is the aorist subjunctive tense in layman's terms?"
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Definition: a verb tense, as in Classical Greek, expressing action or, in the indicative mood, past action, without further limitation or implication. However if the subjunctive mood is used in a purpose or result clause, then the action should not be thought of as a possible result, but should be viewed as a DEFINITE OUTCOME that will happen as a result of another stated action.
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The spot for worst sinner has already been claimed. I suppose you weren't planning on seeing him in heaven. Right?
1 Timothy 1:15 NIV
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners—of whom I am the worst.
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I think God is in the business of rescuing sinners. Not in the business of dreaming up ways to put stumbling blocks in their path to him.
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But he is. That's the whole point of Jesus' parables, of the Law (stumbling block to the Jews), the expression 'those who have ears, let him hear'. That's the point, weeding out the sheep from the goats. Not having them indiscriminately be conformed with a methodology, that never worked in the first place. i.e. preaching, eye witness, miracles, the Bible, martyrdom, etc. Consider the parable of Lazarus, the message being that even someone from dead will not convince these reprobates.
....but your Lake of Fire claims otherwise.
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Not just those who repent.
1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
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That's pretty funny. Blue ephod? - lol --- It be jeweled.Don't let Noli blow too much smoke up your 'blue ephod' bro.
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He puts no stumbling blocks in our paths----we do that. He spends our entire lives calling to us and knocking on our door---He doesn't blow the door down. He will not force us. If we are lost, it will be our choice, not His.
Eze_18:31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
Eze 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
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There are countless billions for whom that is not true. Billions that have never heard the name of Christ nor have any concept of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
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No, the blue ephod was the temple garment that was representative of the Holy Spirit or spiritual people (teaching is vague). The breastplate that was on it was jeweled though.
EXO 39:22 He also made the robe of the ephod woven all of blue; 23 and the opening of the robe in it was like the opening in a garment, with a binding around the opening, that it might not be torn. 24 On the skirts of the robe they made pomegranates of blue and purple and scarlet stuff and fine twined linen. 25 They also made bells of pure gold, and put the bells between the pomegranates upon the skirts of the robe round about, between the pomegranates; 26 a bell and a pomegranate,
You know how we Crazimatic type Corinthians always get judged by those "ungifted" fundamental ones who claim they pursue the more important Spirit's fruit of "Love", while we're just clanging bells with all our seeking of the 'gifts/gold bells of the Spirit'? Well, if the truth be known' the Corinthians rebuke wasn't that they quit seeking the gold bell gifts of the Spirit, but to make sure to temper them with love.
Well today we have fundamentalists spouting how they seek the LOVE/fruit. Problem is, their fruit of 'love', especially for us appears no more genuine than the plastic fruit on my Grandma's table 60 years ago. OH Grandmas fruit looked good on the surface, but when you bite it...like I did!!!
Well let's just say that when the scriptures say; "Taste and see that the Lord is good." ....this fruit of Grandmas didn't meet scriptural standards. The fundamentalist fruit isn't all that genuine either. As a matter of fact, their 'love/fruit' has an immature bite that's just as bad as our 'gift bells clang' IMO. 
The takeaway point being 'God doesn't want us to just be Fundamentalist FRUITcake seekers any more than he wants us to just look Charismatic 'GIFThorses in the mouth'. The admonition of the "spiritual brethren" (gifts is purely added) in 1Cor 12:1 is just this; the true spiritual gifted brethren will seek both/and Fruit/Spirit. That was the symbolic truth of chapters 12/gifts, 13 fruit, 14 gifts. IOW a bell and a pomegranate and a bell.
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We become what we worship – N.T. Wright
When human beings give their heartfelt allegiance to and worship that which is not God, they progressively cease to reflect the image of God. One of the primary laws of human life is that you become like what you worship; what’s more, you reflect what you worship not only to the object itself but also outward to the world around.”
Those who worship money increasingly define themselves in terms of it and increasingly treat other people as creditors, debtors, partners, or customers rather than as human beings. Those who worship sex define themselves in terms of it (their preferences, their practices, their past histories) and increasingly treat other people as actual or potential sex objects. Those who worship power define themselves in terms of it and treat other people as either collaborators, competitors, or pawns. These and many other forms of idolatry combine in a thousand ways, all of them damaging to the image-bearing quality of the people concerned and of those whose lives they touch.”
-N.T. Wright- (Surprised by Hope)
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No, the blue ephod was the temple garment that was representative of the Holy Spirit or spiritual people (teaching is vague). The breastplate that was on it was jeweled though.
EXO 39:22 He also made the robe of the ephod woven all of blue; 23 and the opening of the robe in it was like the opening in a garment, with a binding around the opening, that it might not be torn. 24 On the skirts of the robe they made pomegranates of blue and purple and scarlet stuff and fine twined linen. 25 They also made bells of pure gold, and put the bells between the pomegranates upon the skirts of the robe round about, between the pomegranates; 26 a bell and a pomegranate,
You know how we Crazimatic type Corinthians always get judged by those "ungifted" fundamental ones who claim they pursue the more important Spirit's fruit of "Love", while we're just clanging bells with all our seeking of the 'gifts/gold bells of the Spirit'? Well, if the truth be known' the Corinthians rebuke wasn't that they quit seeking the gold bell gifts of the Spirit, but to make sure to temper them with love.
Well today we have fundamentalists spouting how they seek the LOVE/fruit. Problem is, their fruit of 'love', especially for us appears no more genuine than the plastic fruit on my Grandma's table 60 years ago. OH Grandmas fruit looked good on the surface, but when you bite it...like I did!!!
The takeaway point being 'God doesn't want us to just be Fundamentalist FRUITcake seekers any more than he wants us to just look Charismatic 'GIFThorses in the mouth'. The admonition of the "spiritual brethren" (gifts is purely added) in 1Cor 12:1 is just this; the true spiritual gifted brethren will seek both/and Fruit/Spirit. That was the symbolic truth of chapters 12/gifts, 13 fruit, 14 gifts. IOW a bell and a pomegranate and a bell.
Dear Sage: Do you know how the rich colours were produced on the robes of the priests ministering to the Holy One?
Deep sea diving to gather murex marine snails. And those snails hypobranchial glands were dried, ground and pulverized to produce the deep colours on the high priestly garments.
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A word of advice for UR-ites. Read the Bible, the whole Bible not just the handful of out-of-context UR proof texts. God has provided for all those "countless billions," in His word. This also includes children, infants, the mentally challenged etc.
Romans 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Romans 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
But this does not give a free pass to those who have heard the word of God and turn their back on it.Romans 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Here is Jesus teaching that "ghastly eternal torment dogma."
Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
"Aionios" correctly translated "eternal" in this verse means eternal, everlasting, unending."Kolasis" the word translated "punishment" has absolutely nothing to do with correction!
The only other occurrence of "kolasis" in the NT is 1 Jn 4;18.
1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment [kolasis]. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
Note no correction. The one who has fear and kolasis is NOT made perfect.
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Wrong. He calls to everyone. At whatever level of light they have. It is up to them to respond or not. And it is up to us to get His message to those who haven't heard His name and teach them. Then the end will come.
Rom_1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
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Rev_3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
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