The Ghastly Eternal Torment Dogma
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Maybe you should study then. John was about 13 when Jesus scooped him up! Lower class of Israel so he was not privvy to all the higher rabbinic thought. John if his station in life held true- was at best only semi-literate! He would not know rabbinic hyperbole.
The Bible decides and it is up to us to study to show ourselves approved. For us nor Hebrew/Greek speakers, that means extra work to understand how nuanced greek words are! The one example we use is the noun aion(age) and the adjective aionios( eternal) it is found in the grammar. When there is multiple meanings of a word (which is not uncommon) then primary meanings rule unless context requires going to a 2nd or 3rd meaning.
Thank You ! Even though retired, Saturday is my "day off" so I will watch this today.
Well if cessationism means destruction of life for those not saved- it does! A ceasing to exist.
And the dirty truth is that was one of the heretical views that Origen had to repent of. Just like His belief for a period that Jesus was not God but merely a created being! His famous pupil was Arius of alexandria who is the great great great granddaddy of Watchtower doctrine. Arius had swept most of the church until He was staunchly opposed by Athanasius and restored Trinitarian doctrine.
Then I anxiously await the epilogue of part 2.
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Actually it is this in their order of import:
verb
Root Word (Etymology)
From ἐκ (G1537) and ὁμολογέω (G3670)
Greek Inflections of ἐξομολογέω ἐξομολογεῖσθε — 1x
ἐξομολογήσεται — 1x
ἐξομολογήσηται — 1x
ἐξομολογήσομαί — 1x
ἐξομολογήσομαι — 1x
Ἐξομολογοῦμαί — 2x
ἐξομολογούμενοι — 3x
ἐξωμολόγησεν — 1x
Dictionary Aids
Vine's Expository Dictionary: confess (8x), thank (2x), promise (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
- to confess
- to profess
- acknowledge openly and joyfully
- to one's honour: to celebrate, give praise to
- to profess that one will do something, to promise, agree, engage
- acknowledge openly and joyfully
What one has to do is to show either through verb parsing or context why one is required to go to one of the secondary meanings. That is the rule of Greek grammar!
Speech: Verb
Tense: Aorist
Voice: Middle
Mood: Subjunctive
Person: 3rd Person
Number: Singular
Nothing in the verb parsing tells us to go to the 2nd meanings.
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Thanks. That doesn't sound like a forced confession to me. Thus proving my point. Right? (whole-heartedly and without reservation)
Saint Steven said: ↑
I gave you the definition from Strong's.
Note on "acknowledge" in Philippians 2:11
S1843 eksomologéō (from 1537 /ek, "wholly out from," intensifying 3670 /homologéō, "say the same thing about") – properly, fully agree and to acknowledge that agreement openly (whole-heartedly); hence, to confess ("openly declare"), without reservation (no holding back).
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Here you go. (grasshopper) - lol
Cessationism versus Continuationism
Cessationism versus continuationism is a Christian theological dispute concerned with the question whether the charismatic gifts remain available to the church, or whether their operation ceased with the apostolic age of the church, or soon thereafter. The cessationist doctrine arose in the Protestant Reformation, initially in response to claims of Roman Catholic miracles. The modern controversy is more focused on the use of charismatic gifts in the Pentecostal and Charismatic movements.
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Not everyone agrees on what the Bible says. Who's right?
You and I don't agree on the three doctrines of the final judgment. You assume you are right and everyone else is wrong. I say there are three views, take your pick.
Saint Steven said: ↑
So, who gets to choose which is right and wrong? And what does that mean for everyone else?
Saint Steven said: ↑
Will it support two opposing views? Like Calvinism and Arminianism? Or grace versus works? Or OSAS versus anti-OSAS?
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I think he was trying to speak on a level that you could understand. - lol
I hope you have a sense of humor.
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These are not mindless word games flowing from our Abba or some/tis of us. In fact Noli, these are serious declarations of whose head we lean our head upon.
My Father, upon whose breast has been constant love and comfort for 63 years is not, I repeat NOT, tormenting His creation EVER!
You, and those polus who think Abba does, will know shame that is of the charts.
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Dear lady: That settles it then. Evidently St. John missed the clues of the final finish of all four hell's in the Lake of Theos.
No more hell's, no more thanatos, no more curse: all swallowed in the Heavenly Big Gulp of Abba.
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It does not sound like a forced confession to you because you do not know or ignore other passages which relate to this.
The Bible says six times that Jesus' enemies will be made a footstool for Him.
Psalms 110:1 (KJV) A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Matthew 22:44 (KJV) The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? Mark 12:36 Luke 20:43 Hebrews 1:13 Hebrews 10:13
What does that mean? Joshua tells us in Joshua 10:17-24. When Joshua defeated his enemies, five kings, he made them kneel and his commanders placed their feet on the captives' necks, like footstools. Matthew 22:44 (KJV) The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? Mark 12:36 Luke 20:43 Hebrews 1:13 Hebrews 10:13
Joshua 10:17 And it was told Joshua, saying, The five kings are found hid in a cave at Makkedah.
Joshua 10:23 And they did so, and brought forth those five kings unto him out of the cave, the king of Jerusalem, the king of Hebron, the king of Jarmuth, the king of Lachish, and the king of Eglon.
Joshua 10:24 And it came to pass, when they brought out those kings unto Joshua, that Joshua called for all the men of Israel, and said unto the captains of the men of war which went with him, Come near, put your feet upon the necks of these kings. And they came near, and put their feet upon the necks of them.
So when the Bible says every "knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear" some of those will be followers of Jesus, some of them will be defeated enemies on their knees with the foot of Jesus on their necks, like a footstool.Joshua 10:23 And they did so, and brought forth those five kings unto him out of the cave, the king of Jerusalem, the king of Hebron, the king of Jarmuth, the king of Lachish, and the king of Eglon.
Joshua 10:24 And it came to pass, when they brought out those kings unto Joshua, that Joshua called for all the men of Israel, and said unto the captains of the men of war which went with him, Come near, put your feet upon the necks of these kings. And they came near, and put their feet upon the necks of them.
Isaiah 45:23 (KJV) I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Romans 14:11 (KJV) For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Philippians 2:10 (KJV) That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Romans 14:11 (KJV) For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Philippians 2:10 (KJV) That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
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All of Damnationism will have to answer for their character assassination of our loving Father. Fortunately for them, it will only mean more time in the hot tub, not the eternal torment they accuse God of.
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"I shared a little while back that God won't reveal to a person, a level of walk that they are incapable of walking in. And those who think they got it all with the initial rebirth of their spirit just don't have the humbleness to admit let alone receive that which they have been indoctrinated to believe they all ready have. I've seen that in the church for decades. Even in our "charismatic" church experience."
Dear Sage: The Lord Jesus Christ always spoke words that escaped the listeners (including His disciples) who can still be heard to explain "how can these things be?"
The ghastly confines of indoctrinated dogma has zero room for anything outside of limited. One of the problems is the One who goes a little further in the disclosure of His unlimited.
The man of God A.W Tozer summed up the road for all of us who follow the Lamb in His faith.
The purpose of the cross is to do away with you, blessed riddance.
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But according to you, He most certainly is!!! The lost go through the lake of fire to have their sins cleansed----you think this is a painless thing? It is the fire of God they endure. The same fire that came down from God unto Sodom and Gomorrah.
Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
The fire is not still going on, however---it's result is permanent. Though they too, shall be resurrected at the 2nd resurrection to face their judgement---And which all the lost are resurrected to and they show no remorse for their sins and instead try to take the city by force. Their judgment is to go through the same fire from God. They all will be consumed in the lake of fire unto eternal death and will be ashes, just as the bible says. It does not say they come out of it---that is only the imagination of you people. You have never been able to show any verse that says they come out of the lake of fire and unto life eternal with God.
If you feel that God is some sort of monster for destroying evil, which is His right to do so, than you will not be happy living in His presence and will find out for yourself if they come out of the lake or not for you will be with them! He will not have anyone who does not want to be with Him. He will not torture you until you scream uncle and then let in into His home. He is going to create a world with only people who willingly love Him and want to be with Him. Those who will not be happy in His presence will not be there. If you are right, you have no need to worry, do you?
If you are wrong, you will also have to pay for all those you taught that they don't have to worry about hell for they will still just be tortured for a little while anyway, and will get eternal life with God.
You can not even give a verse that states the lost will be given eternal life also.
You take Greek, which you have been shown you do not know, and twist the meanings around to suit your believes. I don't even pay attention when you start spouting Greek---you simply do not know it.
All the lost, including Satan himself will acknowledge that His judgment is true and that He is God, all will bow the knee in acknowledgement of who He is. Not they have changed their hearts, for they still try to take the city by force. There have been criminals who acknowledge that the death sentence handed down to them was just. It is not that they were sorry for what they did. Punishment deserved is all that they admitted to. It is the same acknowledgment that the lost will state.
God created -- God has the right to destroy His creation. Just as He had the right to destroy the earth with a flood, He has the right to destroy it by fire, along with Satan and his angels. "Affliction will not rise a second time." Na 1:9
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Dear Lady: I assume you know what is means to be IN/EN Christ Jesus, if so, you will find with a little exploratory time, that the confession by all beings, in all dimensions of the universe, is IN/EN the Name of all names.
Every being in willing worship, not by perfunctory genuflections.
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