Democrats 2020 budget proposal.

hislegacy · Feb 15, 2020

Can’t seem to find it. Seems strange since Congress controls the purse strings. And the Democrats are in control of the House.

Anyone?

Charlie24 · Feb 15, 2020

hislegacy said:
Can’t seem to find it. Seems strange since Congress controls the purse strings. And the Democrats are in control of the House.

Anyone?

If they do that, the presidential candidates will have to explain how to pay for the claims they run on.

We can't have that can we? The media won't ask, do you think maybe Trump will?

hislegacy · Feb 15, 2020

Charlie24 said:
If they do that, the presidential candidates will have to explain how to pay for the claims they run on.

We can't have that can we? The media won't ask, do you think maybe Trump will?

The executive branch has submitted a budget already. Which is being debate here on CF

It’s the House budget (the people controlling the purse), that can’t be found.

Ricky M · Feb 15, 2020

Maybe this will explain why you haven't seen it

chevyontheriver · Feb 15, 2020

hislegacy said:
Can’t seem to find it. Seems strange since Congress controls the purse strings. And the Democrats are in control of the House.

Anyone?

Impeachment is more important. They won't stop until they get a successful one. If Trump wins re-election we may not have a budget again until 2025.

hislegacy · Feb 15, 2020

Ricky M said:
Maybe this will explain why you haven't seen it

no it doesn’t, nor does it explain why they didn’t bring one last year either.

Hank77 · Feb 15, 2020

hislegacy said:
Can’t seem to find it. Seems strange since Congress controls the purse strings. And the Democrats are in control of the House.

Anyone?

I believe the budget for 2020 was passed in two bills in Dec. 2019.
HR 1158 and HR 1865?

Trump has his requested budget for 2021.

iluvatar5150 · Feb 15, 2020

hislegacy said:
Can’t seem to find it. Seems strange since Congress controls the purse strings. And the Democrats are in control of the House.

Anyone?

hislegacy said:
no it doesn’t, nor does it explain why they didn’t bring one last year either.

The 2020 budget was signed in December.

2020 United States federal budget - Wikipedia

But hey, I'm sure it's totally the Democrats' fault that you didn't google "federal fy 2020 budget" and click on the third link.

Arcangl86 · Feb 15, 2020

hislegacy said:
Can’t seem to find it. Seems strange since Congress controls the purse strings. And the Democrats are in control of the House.

Anyone?

Why do you find it strange? Congress always waits for the CBO to score the President's proposed budget before deciding how closely to it they want to follow.

hislegacy · Feb 15, 2020

Hank77 said:
I believe the budget for 2020 was passed in two bills in Dec. 2019.
HR 1158 and HR 1865?

Trump has his requested budget for 2021.

yes, the Administrations budget was passed.

Arcangl86 · Feb 15, 2020

hislegacy said:
yes, the Administrations budget was passed.

But as you just reminded us, the Administration doesn't have the power of the purse.

grasping the after wind · Feb 15, 2020

Ricky M said:
Maybe this will explain why you haven't seen it

That is not from the Constitution. It is a result of an Act of Congress (1921 Budget and Accounting Act) .An Act that ought IMO to have been deemed unconstitutional as the Congress should not be allowed to cede a part of its power to the Executive Branch that the Constitution gave to the Congress. In effect amending the Constitution without going through the amendment process. Just because the Congress has in the past done something a certain way does not mean it has to do it that way in perpetuity. A reasonable House, run by a Democratic Party that has no intention of facilitating a budget proposal by an opposition party President which the majority members have a personal animus for, would simply ignore any Presidential budget proposal, send it back telling the President that the budget is not the constitutional concern of the Executive Branch and propose a budget of their own. If I am correct in my assessment, then obviously the Pelosi run House is not reasonable. I think there is ample additional evidence to support that conclusion even if my assessment is incorrect.

Hank77 · Feb 15, 2020

hislegacy said:
yes, the Administrations budget was passed.

I don't think so. If I remember correctly both the House and the Senate's totals were quite a bit less than the President's request but I could be wrong. Do you have those figures? I did search but I don't think what I found is accurate and then it's only the proposed not the actual funding.

Fantine · Feb 16, 2020

If you are interested in knowing what a Democratic budget would look like, do what I am going to do. Vote for anyone but Trump in November.

FreeinChrist · Feb 20, 2020

hislegacy said:
Can’t seem to find it. Seems strange since Congress controls the purse strings. And the Democrats are in control of the House.

Anyone?

What is your issue here, hislegacy? Are you thinking that the House was required to submit a proposal first?

Let's look at some history.

1993
1993 United States federal budget - Wikipedia

The 1993 United States federal budget is the United States federal budget to fund government operations for the fiscal year 1993, which was October 1992 – September 1993. This budget was the final federal budget submitted by George H.W. Bush before he was defeated by Bill Clinton in the 1992 United States presidential election.

1998
1998 United States federal budget - Wikipedia

The United States Federal Budget for Fiscal Year 1998, was a spending request by President Bill Clinton to fund government operations for October 1997 – September 1998.

2004
2004 United States federal budget - Wikipedia

The 2004 United States Federal Budget began as a proposal by President George W. Bush to fund government operations for October 1, 2003 – September 30, 2004. The requested budget was submitted to the 108th Congress on February 3, 2003.

2008
2008 United States federal budget - Wikipedia

The 2008 United States Federal Budget began as a proposal by President George W. Bush to fund government operations for October 1, 2007 – September 30, 2008. The requested budget was submitted to the 110th Congress on February 5, 2007.[1]

2010
2010 United States federal budget - Wikipedia

The United States Federal Budget for Fiscal Year 2010, titled A New Era of Responsibility: Renewing America's Promise,[6] is a spending request by President Barack Obama to fund government operations for October 2009–September 2010.

2012
2012 United States federal budget - Wikipedia

The 2012 United States federal budget was the budget to fund government operations for the fiscal year 2012, which lasted from October 1, 2011 through September 30, 2012. The original spending request was issued by President Barack Obama in February 2011.

2016
2016 United States federal budget - Wikipedia

The United States Federal Budget for Fiscal Year 2016 began as a budget proposed by President Barack Obama to fund government operations for October 1, 2015 – September 30, 2016. The requested budget was submitted to the 114th Congress on February 2, 2015.

2018
2018 United States federal budget - Wikipedia

The United States federal budget for fiscal year 2018, which ran from October 1, 2017 to September 30, 2018, was named America First: A Budget Blueprint to Make America Great Again. It was the first budget proposed by newly-elected President Donald Trump, submitted to the 115th Congress on March 16, 2017.[4][5]

Do you see a pattern? It is that the president submits a proposal or request for spending, and then the House works it via committee and then the house and then the Senate committee and the full senate.

United States budget process - Wikipedia

The U.S. Constitution designates the "power of the purse" as a function of Congress.1 That includes the authority to create and collect taxes and to borrow money when needed. The Constitution does not, however, specify how Congress should exercise these powers or how the federal budget process should work. It doesn't specify a role for the president in managing the nation's finances, either.

As a result, the budget process has evolved over time. Over the course of the twentieth century, Congress passed key laws that shaped the budgeting process into what it is today, and formed the federal agencies - including the Office of Management and Budget, the Government Accountability Office, and the Congressional Budget Office - that provide oversight and research crucial to creating the budget.2.......

Also read:
Budget and Accounting Act - Wikipedia

The Budget and Accounting Act of 1921 (Pub.L. 67–13, 42 Stat. 20, enacted June 10, 1921) was landmark legislation that established the framework for the modern federal budget. The act was approved by President Warren G. Harding to provide a national budget system and an independent audit of government accounts. The official title of this act is "The General Accounting Act of 1921", but is frequently referred to as "the budget act", or "the Budget and Accounting Act".[1] This act meant that for the first time, the president would be required to submit an annual budget for the entire federal government to Congress.[2] The object of the budget bill was to consolidate the spending agencies in both the executive and legislative branches of the government.[1]

The President has to submit an annual budget for the entire government.

The House and Senate then develop the resolutions.

see
Budget Process

How Does the Federal Government Create a Budget?
There are five key steps in the federal budget process:

The President submits a budget request to Congress
The House and Senate pass budget resolutions
House and Senate Appropriations subcommittees "markup" appropriations bills
The House and Senate vote on appropriations bills and reconcile differences
The President signs each appropriations bill and the budget becomes law

essentialsaltes · Feb 20, 2020

Budget proposals are issued by the president. The president is not a Democrat.

Arcangl86 · Feb 20, 2020

There is also a difference between a budget and an appropriation bill. Congress has no need to actually make a budget before spending money.

hislegacy · Feb 20, 2020

FreeinChrist said:
What is your issue here, hislegacy

it’s not an issue, but a question on a discussion board.

My apologies if you misinterpreted anything, but it was just a question. Thank you for the rest of your post.

FreeinChrist · Feb 20, 2020

hislegacy said:
The executive branch has submitted a budget already. Which is being debate here on CF

It’s the House budget (the people controlling the purse), that can’t be found.

The House budget for 2020 was in a resolution and the final budget is what finally comes out of the House and Senate is what they both agree on, and the president signs. Now that the White House submitted a 2021 budget (developed after the various agencies develop their own budgets), the process will move to the Ways & Means committee and the Appropriations committees of the House.
It is Congress (House and Senate) that has the power of the purse, but the House has it more as all bills dealing with taxes need to come out of the House.

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