Is Satan Lawless or a Legalist?

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Angels are not made in the image of God.

Man will judge angels.

Angels cannot receive God's indwelling presence.
Not all men will receive God's indwelling presence. For not all believers are the "Bride of Christ." The Indwelling presence is for His Bride.

The other stuff you said is not really rational. They are called also "sons of God." Man will judge angels. But, only those who are the Bride of Christ!

I think you are still a little fuzzy on the differences that makes the church age believer different than all other believers from different dispensations.

Not all are the Bride of Christ. Only the Church is. Its why we are called the "body of Christ."

Christ will rule as the King over all creation. Whom, and what, is His Bride to be? Just like any other believer outside of the church age?

No.. it says we have been made to be a new creation in Christ! The Greek means something completely new.. that nothing like this creation we have become existed before. That means, it excludes all believers that lived before the Church age began and after. We have been chosen out of all God knew would believe, to be the Bride. No one else had been so chosen.
 
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I have no idea where you get your notions from.
The Tempter in Hebrew lore was created to do just that.. tempt man to turn away from the will of God. One of the last references to the Tempter is Jesus in the desert. Meanwhile mankind who portrays every aspect of an adversary to God, either made the NT version of a satan (which means adversary) a compilation of OT characters, to either give our sin a face or as a reason to blame an outside force for our short comings. This satan was all but unheard of in OT times.

But no matter how you look at it man, even if we are unwilling to accept responsibility for our actions , acts in the same self serving adversarial ways as the satan of the last 2000 years. So when we talk of a satan, we talk of ourselves. Remember Peter was called a satan simply because he was adversarial to the will of God. So is mankind if we do not put God's will ahead of our own and love all as self.
 
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For not all believers are the "Bride of Christ."
The New Jerusalem is the bride of Christ according to Rev. Those who attain the Kingdom are the guests at the wedding feast. Typical of man to make himself more important than he is.
 
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It is weird how you try to anticipate my position as if I don't understand fundamentals like the Bride of Christ.

Define 'being made in the image of God' and then we can discuss.
I already gave my definition. Please back track a few and see what you missed.
 
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Man is made in the image of God period.

Satan cant change that and there is no scripture to suggest he can.


Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is,
there is freedom. And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate
the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with
ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the
Spirit.
2 Cor 3:17-18

Not all men are being transformed into the image of Christ. Are they?

And, not all believers are either.

For only those Christians who learn how to remain being filled with the Spirit, and keep finding and growing in the knowledge of God's Word, are the ones being "transformed" into the image of Christ. After all? He was the Word made flesh!

Likewise.. Many men who prefer to follow the power induced impulses of the Satanic cosmic system, are being transformed into Satan's image. Like it or not.

And.. those who are being transformed inside Satan's power sphere? They can not grasp the truth I speak of. For only the Holy Spirit can empower with His grace to comprehend it.
 
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My definition of being made in the image of God is to be given the capacity to receive His indwelling presence.


Well.. Ecclesiastes 3:11 does not say what you claim as far as I have seen exegesis and expounded on. Its very good just the same. But, its not quite His indwelling presence as you make it to be...

He has manufactured out of doctrine
every thing good in its own time.
Also He has given the eternal doctrine
in their right lobes (hearts),

without which doctrine,
mankind cannot perceive
that which the God has made

from the beginning even to the end of history.

That is saying, that God makes what is eternal known inwardly to a man only by means of him comprehending knowledge of His Word.

The "heart" is the part of the soul/brain that stores ones beliefs, conclusions, values, and convictions. The Hebrew and Greek in the Bible both divide the brain into two spheres. The Greek is Kardia and nous. Heart and mind." The academic side (mind) is what takes in and absorbs knowledge and data that one may store in memory. The other sphere (the heart) is where what our soul is manifested as. The heart expresses the result of what one has decided to accept and live by.

The Hebrew uses a term that sounds like "leb" and can be used to describe the two lobes we all have. Right and left lobes of the brain.

Keep in mind, Satan said in his heart.. "I will make myself like the Most High." It was in his heart .. not simlpy his mind.. that Satan harbored that conviction against the Lord.
 
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Well.. Ecclesiastes 3:11 does not say what you claim as far as I have seen exegesis and expounded on. Its very good just the same. But, its not quite His indwelling presence as you make it to be...

Think it through a bit more...

God dwells in timelessness.

There is a space in the human spirit reserved for the presence of God.

It is important to understand that satan cannot dwell there because as a created being he is bound in chronology and cannot cross that barrier into timelessness.

That is why a Christian cannot be possessed, God's presence is always in control.

This understanding is fundamental when ministering in deliverance.

Anyway we have strayed far away from the topic of the thread.

You are welcome to raise this matter on another thread if you want to pursue it.
 
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Job 2: 1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. 2 And the LORD said to Satan, “From where do you come?” Satan answered the LORD and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it.”
 
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Job 2: 1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. 2 And the LORD said to Satan, “From where do you come?” Satan answered the LORD and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it.”

Yes.. Angels = "sons of God."

Sons = indicating, created in God's image. For a son is in the image of his father.

In contrast to created sons... Jesus is The Eternal Son. Begotten outside of time and not created. His temporary human body was created. He now has a glorious heavenly body. Yet, His Soul was never created. For its through His Soul all things have been created.

I can explain what I say.
 
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By the way Genez your rendering of Ecc 3:11 is quite far from the original Hebrew.

What is implied is not though.

But, why argue over what would take over an hour to do justice to explain? Mainstream translations I have seen render it as a dangling thought. This forum renders certain types of discussions impossible.
 
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