God put Trump in White House, says US ambassador to Israel

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Trump is a liar and adultery, both according to 1Cor 6:9 will keep him from inheriting the kingdom of God.

Trump just uses Evangelicals to achieve his purpose. Power.
So..... you now have the ability to judge a mans heart? I thought that only God can do that.

Also... God's ways are not mans ways...

Thirdly... Hillary was an enabler of a rapist.. among other things.......If were keeping score... You lose.
 
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What exactly is meant by “God’s choice”? It can mean an “act of choosing,” a “person or thing that has been chosen,” “preferred.” Isn’t it possible God’s choice can still be evil? I think so, as God’s “choice” in the Bible included wicked leaders, such as his choice of Nebuchadnezzar as his instrument of punishment. Or I suppose the future Antichrist as an instrument to oppress Israel to have them finally honor the covenant he made with their forefathers and accept Christ as the fulfillment of that covenant. I guess Hilter arguably was God’s “choice” to facilitate the fulfillment of propehesy that he will gather his people who have been scattered among the nations back to the land he promised them and their forefathers.

So, it isn’t necessarily a comfort to say Trump is God’s choice. That doesn’t tell me Trump isn’t evil.
Think what you want...

Put it this way...

In order for God's plan, for the US and even the world.. Trump, Putin and all the other leaders that are in power..........RIGHT NOW............are exactly who should be in power............RIGHT NOW..........for God's plan for the future of Christians... non believers... the anti Christ... Israel.... the whole world...

If you think ANY leader is an "oops, how did they get in power" to God... you can take that up with Him.
 
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This ignores God allowing an occurrence that is otherwise not in accordance to his will. It may be God allows wicked leaders although it isn’t his “will” for wicked people to be leaders.



“Must”? Really? There’s no other choice? Either back the antichrist or Hitler? One “MUST” choose between those two? There’s no alternative?

What you’ve done is created what is known as a false dilemma. You argued it is either A or B, assuming there’s no C, when there is a C. The C option, the third alternative, is not choosing either evil by, shockingly, abstaining from choosing.

Maybe it is possible for Christians to have retained some semblance of integrity, avoid hypocrisy, by declining to vote for either Trump or Hillary, both being to morally bankrupt to vote for either.
For all your posts.. See my response to your post #113.
 
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So..... you now have the ability to judge a mans heart? I thought that only God can do that.

Proverbs 27:19 "As water reflects the face, so one's life reflects the heart." That one remains blind to how a person, specifically trump, conducts his life speaks to a lack of rational discernment. We all make judgements about people based on character, behavior, speech, etc. and certainly we need not equate such to God's judgement. (Also, I doubt very much a legitimate score card would find trump to be any sort of victor...even against Hillary)
 
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So..... you now have the ability to judge a mans heart?
I didn't judge his heart, just stated his actions which Paul listed in scripture.

Thirdly... Hillary was an enabler of a rapist..
Being hypocritical aren't you? You just said only God can judge a person's heart and now you do it. Hmmm Just how did Hillary enable a rapist? Are you claiming that it's a woman's fault for her husband's sexual assaults? Even if she may not know of them?

Bill Clinton, like Donald Trump, is a slime ball but Trump voters knew that before voting for him. They are his enablers because he feeds of their undying support and he was correct when he said that he could walk out and shoot someone and his voters would still vote for him.
among other things.......If were keeping score... You lose.
You have to win a point for that to occur but you've failed to do that, as of yet. :)
 
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"IF" if Yard dog got it right..

Why not go on line and listen for yourself.. Yard dog is not the authority..

I also heard, but cannot find, an interview with Rockefeller who stated that they had planned for an economic collapse after Hillary got elected... of course she was supposed to get elected.. it was the plan of the powers that be...

This man stated that "out of nowhere" Trump shows up, everyone thought it was a joke.. and he won..

SO.. now they have to wait until they get it back on track... watch for an economic collapse when Trump is done his terms.. whether its one or two... is of no matter. The US is heading for an economic collapse.

The man also stated that they are not concerned about this delay in their plans. They have people on both sides and never really lose in an election... they just change their plan.

The CEO of Yahoo stated that there are about 100 families of the most rich of the rich who control the world economy and politics... He stated that it is well known in circles far above even the moderately wealthy.. but the very wealthy all know.

Trump.. was a wild card.. flew in and took everyone by surprise..

In the words of this Rockeefeller... It was the "hand of God" because that's the only thing that is above them.

Why not go on line and listen for yourself..

Why don’t you post the alleged prophesy. Your source of the prophesy. Is the source you heard the person alleging prophesy? Is it a writing by such a person? Or are you having to rely upon what someone else remembers the person saying?

I’ve seen no evidence @Yarddog inaccururately represented what’s alleged to be a prophesy.

Yard dog is not the authority..

Neither are you!

I listened to them and the prophesies that he told were not about Obama.....

Yet the alleged prophesy as represented by Yarddog can’t be a reference to Trump. You’ve provided no evidence Yarddog has inaccurately expressed the prophesy.

I also heard, but cannot find, an interview with Rockefeller

Which means your ability to find the original alleged prophesy itself is impeded. Such an impediment renders it extremely difficult to test the veracity and credibility of what is alleged to have been said. In other words, your being deferential to rumors, what is rumored to have been said, delivered to you by unknown degrees of hearsay.

That’s what you want to pawn off as prophesy? Sounds familiar, yes, this is similar to the church in the Middle Ages taking advantage of the largely illiterate Christian populace in which the illiterate had to trust what the church leaders said was Biblical was in fact Biblical. Once the blinders came off through the lens of literacy, they were no longer stumbling around in Plato’s Cave, saw the light, and began to realize some doctrine wasn’t Biblical.

Today there seems to be a repeat of the Middle Ages with some Christians adhering to what is told to them to be a modern day prophesy, with no way to reliably verify the prophesy, but to trust the source. No thanks. That type of unmitigated deference and blind belief is too exposed to believing false prophesies. If it can’t be reliably verified, then the propehey isn’t worth believing.

Anconsiderable percentage of your post is based on an alleged prophesy by Rockefeller that you can’t reliably verify. That’s problematic.
 
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Bill Clinton, like Donald Trump, is a slime ball but Trump voters knew that before voting for him. They are his enablers because he feeds of their undying support and he was correct when he said that he could walk out and shoot someone and his voters would still vote for him.

And the senate just proved their co-dependency enabling him to do whatever he pleases.
 
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Without getting too deep into a philosophical or theological discussion I think that we all on here can agree that God can use anyone whether they be good, evil, or otherwise to bring about his will.
What was His will when He placed Hitler into power? This argument seems to give our current president a heavenly pass to do anything he wants. If in fact God placed our current president in power it is surely for the sole purpose of testing the faith of Christians.
Blessings
 
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Think what you want...

Put it this way

.

Think what you want...

Yes, thank you for the permission to do so, I would have anyway. I “think” based on the evidence, as opposed to my personal, metaphysical, Spidey senses.

There’s no one shred of evidence God “chose” Trump. It’s speculative to claim God did.

In order for God's plan, for the US and even the world.. Trump, Putin and all the other leaders that are in power..........RIGHT NOW............are exactly who should be in power............RIGHT NOW

“Should be” is correct but what this ignores is the fact there is “should be” not because God “willed” it but “should be” because God allowed it to develop organically. God, being omniscient, foresaw how events develop organically and that foreknowledge allows Him to devise a plan, despite the fact it was not his “will” for what developed organically.

So, it’s possivle, God foresaw Hitler coming to power organically. It wasn’t His “will” such a cruel, evil, despotic, butchering murderer would rule and murder millions. However, He allows it to happen, and the result, which he also foresaw, was for Jews to now return home, as God desired, to fulfill his purpose of dealing with his chosen people face to face as a nation and bring them as a nation to finally cry
ישוע הוא אדון, Jesus is Lord.

So, your exposition gets you no closer to showing God “willed” Trump to be President.

If you think ANY leader is an "oops, how did they get in power" to God... you can take that up with Him

Who said anything about an “oops”? Not me. Do away with the deflection. The issue is your confusion that if a leader was in power then it was God’s will. I take issue with that because it fails to take into account the evil rulers aren’t God’s will, just as it isn’t his “will” any perish, but it happens anyway, as he allows it to happen.
 
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Proverbs 27:19 "As water reflects the face, so one's life reflects the heart." That one remains blind to how a person, specifically trump, conducts his life speaks to a lack of rational discernment. We all make judgements about people based on character, behavior, speech, etc. and certainly we need not equate such to God's judgement. (Also, I doubt very much a legitimate score card would find trump to be any sort of victor...even against Hillary)
Here's some.

I like the last one where it tells of the Spirit "intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.."

1 Kings 8:39


then hear in heaven Your dwelling place, and forgive and act and render to each according to all his ways, whose heart You know, for You alone know the hearts of all the sons of men,


1 Samuel 16:7

But the LORD said to Samuel, "Do not look at his appearance or at the height of his stature, because I have rejected him; for God sees not as man sees, for man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart."

Psalm 44:21

Would not God find this out? For He knows the secrets of the heart.

1 Corinthians 2:11 New International Version (NIV)
11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.

Acts 15:8 New International Version (NIV)

8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us.

Romans 8:27 New International Version (NIV)
27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.

 
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I didn't judge his heart, just stated his actions which Paul listed in scripture.


Being hypocritical aren't you? You just said only God can judge a person's heart and now you do it. Hmmm Just how did Hillary enable a rapist? Are you claiming that it's a woman's fault for her husband's sexual assaults? Even if she may not know of them?

Bill Clinton, like Donald Trump, is a slime ball but Trump voters knew that before voting for him. They are his enablers because he feeds of their undying support and he was correct when he said that he could walk out and shoot someone and his voters would still vote for him.

You have to win a point for that to occur but you've failed to do that, as of yet. :)
I stated a known fact. You, on the other hand are saying the Trump will not inherit the kingdom of God.

That.... is not your right..

Even Hillary may turn around and accept Christ.. cough cough.. could happen...
 
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Why don’t you post the alleged prophesy. Your source of the prophesy. Is the source you heard the person alleging prophesy? Is it a writing by such a person? Or are you having to rely upon what someone else remembers the person saying?

I’ve seen no evidence @Yarddog inaccururately represented what’s alleged to be a prophesy.



Neither are you!



Yet the alleged prophesy as represented by Yarddog can’t be a reference to Trump. You’ve provided no evidence Yarddog has inaccurately expressed the prophesy.



Which means your ability to find the original alleged prophesy itself is impeded. Such an impediment renders it extremely difficult to test the veracity and credibility of what is alleged to have been said. In other words, your being deferential to rumors, what is rumored to have been said, delivered to you by unknown degrees of hearsay.

That’s what you want to pawn off as prophesy? Sounds familiar, yes, this is similar to the church in the Middle Ages taking advantage of the largely illiterate Christian populace in which the illiterate had to trust what the church leaders said was Biblical was in fact Biblical. Once the blinders came off through the lens of literacy, they were no longer stumbling around in Plato’s Cave, saw the light, and began to realize some doctrine wasn’t Biblical.

Today there seems to be a repeat of the Middle Ages with some Christians adhering to what is told to them to be a modern day prophesy, with no way to reliably verify the prophesy, but to trust the source. No thanks. That type of unmitigated deference and blind belief is too exposed to believing false prophesies. If it can’t be reliably verified, then the propehey isn’t worth believing.

Anconsiderable percentage of your post is based on an alleged prophesy by Rockefeller that you can’t reliably verify. That’s problematic.
 
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Yes, thank you for the permission to do so, I would have anyway. I “think” based on the evidence, as opposed to my personal, metaphysical, Spidey senses.

There’s no one shred of evidence God “chose” Trump. It’s speculative to claim God did.



“Should be” is correct but what this ignores is the fact there is “should be” not because God “willed” it but “should be” because God allowed it to develop organically. God, being omniscient, foresaw how events develop organically and that foreknowledge allows Him to devise a plan, despite the fact it was not his “will” for what developed organically.

So, it’s possivle, God foresaw Hitler coming to power organically. It wasn’t His “will” such a cruel, evil, despotic, butchering murderer would rule and murder millions. However, He allows it to happen, and the result, which he also foresaw, was for Jews to now return home, as God desired, to fulfill his purpose of dealing with his chosen people face to face as a nation and bring them as a nation to finally cry
ישוע הוא אדון, Jesus is Lord.

So, your exposition gets you no closer to showing God “willed” Trump to be President.



Who said anything about an “oops”? Not me. Do away with the deflection. The issue is your confusion that if a leader was in power then it was God’s will. I take issue with that because it fails to take into account the evil rulers aren’t God’s will, just as it isn’t his “will” any perish, but it happens anyway, as he allows it to happen.
You and I obviously don't see eye to eye on this..

Like I said before.. Trump is in power under the will of God. He is doing things that need to be done. The alternative.. would have desecrated the way of the Christian in the US.

You're lucky that God is in control.
 
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I stated a known fact. You, on the other hand are saying the Trump will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Incorrect. Paul said that adulterers, etc... would not inherit the kingdom of God. There is no doubt that Trump is an adulterer. He brags about it.
That.... is not your right..
Is it Paul's?
Even Hillary may turn around and accept Christ.. cough cough.. could happen...
Well, is that "your right" to infer that? Kinda hypocritical to make a false statement about me while actually doing it yourself. She is a baptized Christian and member of the Methodist Church.
 
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So that is basically anyone.

If it is good ruler then it is His blessing, if it is bad or really bad then it is obviously His judgement, if it is something in between then it is clearly time for spiritual refinement so we can wonder what He means this time.

It isn't just anyone. The conditions are specific as are the men He chooses. He doesn't use adulterering, racist revilers to help guide an already aimless nation, but he will use adultering racist revilers as a JUDGMENT for our ignorance.

Of course, if we are ignorant of what is wrong with us, we won't understand the treatment we need.
 
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Here's some.

I like the last one where it tells of the Spirit "intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.."

1 Kings 8:39


then hear in heaven Your dwelling place, and forgive and act and render to each according to all his ways, whose heart You know, for You alone know the hearts of all the sons of men,


1 Samuel 16:7

But the LORD said to Samuel, "Do not look at his appearance or at the height of his stature, because I have rejected him; for God sees not as man sees, for man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart."

Psalm 44:21

Would not God find this out? For He knows the secrets of the heart.

1 Corinthians 2:11 New International Version (NIV)
11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.

Acts 15:8 New International Version (NIV)

8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us.

Romans 8:27 New International Version (NIV)
27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.

Yes, but not one of these in any way refutes the Proverbs verse or let us add this … Matthew 7:16 "By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Perhaps some people don't understand the use of fruit?
 
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Yes, I agree, at best he is crass.

He is not a politician.. He has no filter and says a lot of really stupid things when he should not.

However, other countries respect him as what he says is what he is. There is no phony baloney politicking.

I also believe that the US was sick and tired, as we Canadians and any other democratic nation are sick of... candidates that poll all along and make all kinds of promises to those that they think can vote them in, only to, later, do whatever the big contributors of money to their party tell them to do. Meanwhile breaking every single promise and continuing to take from the poor and give to the rich.


Seriously, look at the platforms of the Democrat hopefuls.... Paying off all student loans? Socialist policies and principals that have not worked... ever.... ? Any and every sad and twisted statement that they think is going to get the vote of all the snowflakes out there that are offended by anything that is logical....

I pray for the nations of the future.

Trump is rough and tumble with no polish.. He's a business man and not a politician.... People saw that and took a chance.. Now they are not looking back..

Not to mention that his Vice is a staunch Christian...

How do you think it would work in the game of FOOTBALL if I said, "I am not a footballer, but I talk a lot of good game!" Do you think M.U. would let me on their team? Substance is important.

Be careful of those who call themselves Christian, but surround themselves with wolves and swine.

The other things you said, I won't necessarily argue with it considering you are Canadian (?) The discord Trump creates is not worth any alleged repair he makes to policy or nation because the discord he stirs will destroy the nation anyway.


Some of us Americans don't want the discord, some are willing to settle for it to get our political needs met, and others just don't care who is hurt or offended. Remember how Black Lives Matters was, without hesitation, turned into a terrorist organization by the court of public opinion - despite the purpose (bringing awareness to the superfluous amounts of abuse and killings toward black men by police). That is what Americans do: we twist the cause against what should be something we know is a problem into an object of derision. This is expecially true if we want to ignore our responsibility in something bad done. He has people deriding any ethnic and social group HE disapproves of - the beast system is going to raise similar social and religious lemmings.

Trump is nothing but a reflection and judgment on the country, Americans just don't see it yet because they are at r = 0. What will happen when all the minorities and democrats are gone, and Americans still have problems with themselves, and the nation?

To me, Trump is an excellent example of how one can be exploited when one ignores all ones Sunday School classes, what your grandmother told you about how to treat people, and what parents taught about self respect. Good practice for the Beast System, but very few are taking the opportunity to reconnoiter this situation - they believe he will actually help them through policy and vibrato.

This is all my opinion of course. I wont waste energy arguing over anyone that believes the things Trump believes, because it will create an energetically vampiric that is hard to get out of once depleted. (This is what antichrists do, not men of the Most High.) Rather, I am just doing what Trump does: saying things. Don't mind me.
 
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He's a business man and not a politician.... People saw that and took a chance.. Now they are not looking back..

Not to mention that his Vice is a staunch Christian...

They take turns. Business (and for a twist mob business), then oil industry then financiers, etc.. Yet they all seem to fall under the power of the military-industrial complex. So who is President and what they represent is kinda irrelevant.

As for the Vice, his only real authourity is over NASA so Space Force pyjamas and bedsheets aside, his rocket towers of Babel have no real influence on Christianity other than perhaps his resemblance to a pillar of salt.
 
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Incorrect. Paul said that adulterers, etc... would not inherit the kingdom of God. There is no doubt that Trump is an adulterer. He brags about it.

Is it Paul's?

Well, is that "your right" to infer that? Kinda hypocritical to make a false statement about me while actually doing it yourself. She is a baptized Christian and member of the Methodist Church.
My wife and I are both "adulterers". She was married before and is divorced... I married her, a divorced woman.. So, we are both adulterers... Are we both damned to hell forever?

Sheesh... This is bible 101.
 
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Well, is that "your right" to infer that? Kinda hypocritical to make a false statement about me while actually doing it yourself. She is a baptized Christian and member of the Methodist Church.

It's not "hypocritical" My point was the you cannot say who will and will not go to heaven... as you do not know their heart...

I never stated once that anyone would not be allowed to enter heaven. So... no Hypocritical...
 
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