I thought we were in the best economy ever?

Ken-1122

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Ken, you sure love to make stuff up based on your ignorance of people in poverty. Do I have to explain to you exactly what my life is like that prevents me from getting a living wage job and the consequences of that?
So because of what your life is like, somebody owes you a living wage?
 
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I completely disagree that lack of talent is not someone's fault - Talent is what you learn and practice. my grand parents and parents came to the US not knowing English, my grandparents were farmers, my grandfather could write his name and that is about it. He had zero talent. His drive and motivation landed him a position as a day laborer on a construction crew, within a couple years he was supervising crews. Another example is you would entertain it: In the early 80's we sponsored a couple families from Ukraine to come to the US - they had very little talent when it came to what's needed in the US. Their drive and ambition had them start several businesses including a house keeping service that is not a 2,000,000 a year business handling office buildings.

Talent is what you make of it - you are 100% in charge of what you do. They are not doctors or engineers, but they make good livings.
You confuse talent with skill. Skills are learned. Talent is given.
 
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Tell me how tax cuts would put more money into the U.S. Treasury.
The theory is, more money in people's pockets creates more spending. More spending creates more demand, which creates more jobs (because rich people don't create jobs, consumers do). More jobs means more taxes paid on income.

But it hardly ever works that way for long.
 
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If you were looking at trends, you'd see that Trump hasn't really made much difference.
Under Obama unemployment got to many of the previous lows; under Trump it went to a low not seen in nearly half a century.


There are loads and loads of jobs that don't require much skill - in many cases, the skills have been deliberately engineered out of them so as to reduce cost and risk - .
They may not require MUCH skill, but they do require some skill. Once you learn some skills you can apply for something better.
 
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Whatever they agreed to work for is, by definition, the wage they earn. If a company is savvy enough to low-ball someone then it's on the worker. LOL. Workers need to bargain better. That's why I think everyone should read Art of the Deal by The PResident of the United States of America.
Workers lost their bargaining power when the self esteem movement turned "one for all and all for one" into "me me me me me".
 
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Hmmm, that doesn't sound right. Why would people wind up making too little money for their work? That just doesn't make any sense.
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In a global economy, as long as some are willing to/forced to work as slaves, we will all work as slaves.
 
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So the economy was good during the Carter Administration and continued through Reagan. What did Reagan do that makes people forget about Carter?


I wasn't into politics back then, so I would have no clue as to why. Until Trump got elected I literally stayed out of politics altogether.
 
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IMO, the best economy I ever witnessed was during the Reagan years up until the beginning of Obama's Presidency. And this includes a good economy during Clinton's 8 years.
After Reagan codified income inequality, the average worker didn't see an effective raise for 35 years.
 
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You confuse talent with skill. Skills are learned. Talent is given.

tell that to the basketball player who never practices.



If I had a job, my employer would owe me a living wage.

no, your employer would owe you the wages you agree to. If the wages are not what you want, find another employer.
 
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After Reagan codified income inequality, the average worker didn't see an effective raise for 35 years.


I wouldn't know about raises, since I basically did piece work, therefore it basically being up to me how much or how little I made per job I had sub contracted.
 
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Under Obama unemployment got to many of the previous lows; under Trump it went to a low not seen in nearly half a century.

So? I thought you were looking at trends.
 
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Under Obama unemployment got to many of the previous lows; under Trump it went to a low not seen in nearly half a century.



They may not require MUCH skill, but they do require some skill. Once you learn some skills you can apply for something better.

You don’t know how to read a trend line, do you.....or do you choose to ignore them...?
 
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There has always been the poor in this country; my point is things are better now than before.
That may be, but they’re still not good enough.
I'm not sure of your problem here. What is it about the current shareholder/corporation relationship that you have a problem with?
I don’t have a problem with the dynamic per se. I brought it up because another user, whom I now believe was just trolling, asked why workers felt entitled to pay raises in this economy. There are good arguments as to why profits should be shared with the workers and not just the investors.
Carl, did you even think about what I wrote before clicking the reply button? You post makes no sense. If you ever had an entry level job like working at McDonald's you would know what I am talking about.
I’m pretty sure this guy’s just messing with you.
 
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For example, Obama's way behind Donald when it comes to number of investigations into illegal activities. Number of associates caught lying to Congress about illegal activities is another one. Number of associates imprisoned for illegal activities, well, Donald's set a record that future GOP leaders will have to work hard to top... but I have faith in them.

Let's not forget Donald's also leading in number of impeachments, and number of impeachment trials where members of his own party voted to remove him from office.

And failed attempts to have his own party enact health care reform.
 
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The economy is doing nicely. The Federal deficit however is a national emergency a serious economic condition affecting the general welfare.

Weird we didn't hear about this emergency when the GOP was irresponsibly raising that deficit by cutting taxes during an economic boom.
 
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Below are a list of a few of the many regulations Trump cut; most of which were put in place by Obama that Trump claimed was strangling the economy.
*Trans-Pacific partnership
*Environmental regulations( like Clean power plan, Coal plan emission standards)
*Paris Climate accord
*Auto Emission standards as well as fuel efficiently standards requiring cars to get 54mpg by 2025
*North American free trade agreement; although he pretty much renegotiated it in a way he said is better for the US
Given that after cutting these regulations the economy was basically indistinguishable from Obama's last term, looks like more evidence that Donald's claims should not be taken seriously.
 
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