God put Trump in White House, says US ambassador to Israel

JacksBratt said:

So is shredding thousands of emails and and saying that you entered at Benghazi under a hail of gunfire... when you walked onto the tarmac with welcoming ceremonies.....

Want to compare lists of lies? By politicians and millionaires? Seriously?

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Yep, Trump and Clinton are just alike. You can't love Trump without also loving Hillary.

Yarddog said:

Yep, Trump and Clinton are just alike. You can't love Trump without also loving Hillary.

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Trump is against abortion.. Hillary is for them... Just because they lie... does not make them alike in all other ways...

Hillary would have been a huge hit to Christianity in the US. She did not have hopes for the Christians.. Trump does.

Yarddog said:

Yep, Trump and Clinton are just alike. You can't love Trump without also loving Hillary.

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Yes, they are just alike because both of them are morally depraved and politically corrupt. Trump and Clinton are the reflection of the moral decline in this country, including within the Christian Church.

JacksBratt said:

Trump is against abortion.. Hillary is for them... Just because they lie... does not make them alike in all other ways...

Hillary would have been a huge hit to Christianity in the US. She did not have hopes for the Christians.. Trump does.

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Again, Jack, it's great to know I can agree and disagree with you on profound topics.

This is something I may disagree with you on: particularly, I believe the other "moral" things Hillary does for the spread of demographics will quantitatively outnumber the "moral" things Trump has done for the spread of demographics.


Both (in my opinion) are abominable, but if we are counting, we have to acknowledge everything right? I know you are someone who can see beyond the surface. Would you agree (barring conspiracy theory that may or may not be true about War Hawk or the Grabber) that Trump is, at best, crass? That would upset a lot of sensitive nations with sensitive leaders...

JacksBratt said:

Trump is against abortion.. Hillary is for them... Just because they lie... does not make them alike in all other ways...

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President Trump (like the Republican Party leadership for the most part) isn't actually anti-abortion, what he is, is "pro-anti-abortion single issue voters". They know that all they have to do is ring the "abortion bell" and thousands of people will line up and do exactly what they tell them to do, no questions asked. "March here, protest there, vote for this guy".

Hillary would have been a huge hit to Christianity in the US.

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...or she wouldn't. That's the nice thing about those sorts of arguments.

She did not have hopes for the Christians..

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I'm sorry, I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

Trump does.

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He sure does, he hopes they keep voting for him in spite of him obviously having no idea how to do the job he has, no interest in Christians or Christianity...but he sure does love those Christian votes.
tulc(can't get enough of those)

JacksBratt said:

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Hillary would have been a huge hit to Christianity in the US. She did not have hopes for the Christians.. Trump does.

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Inquiry...

Why should Christians expect to be treated better by the President than their fellow American citizens who aren't Christians? Are Christians somehow entitled to special treatment from the government?

NotreDame said:

How do you know to be true what you claim above? How do you know God told Christians to vote for Trump? Did God reveal this to you? Or are you guessing?

Let’s talk about God using the “church to carry out change on the earth.” Was God using the church when Christians, after capturing Jerusalem in July 15,1099, massacred hundreds to thousands of inhabitants? Is that what God was doing?

I suppose the Spanish Inquisition was just another act of God using the church to “carry out change on the earth.” The witch trials have been misunderstood, they were simply God’s use of the “church...to carry out change on the earth.”

Now if you object to those being instances where God used the church, on what basis is your objection? Do you have some special insight permitting you to have divinely inspired knowledge of whether God has used the church in some specific manner? If the answer is no, then you’re in no position to object to the idea those specific instances were God using the church, and can’t confidently claim God did tell the church to vote for Trump.

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Nice use of informal fallacy there. Come on you know exactly what I'm talking about. We both know God didn't use the barbaric acts that you described above to carry out his will on the Earth. These were terrible people who were merely using religion as a means to either gain power, money, and control over people. When I say church I am not talking about the institutional church but the Universal church that is comprised of believers from all around the world. These are the people that God used to bring about change in the United States.

How Evangelicals Helped Trump Win
How the faithful voted: A preliminary 2016 analysis

Clearly based on statistics and verified words of knowledge that people spoke concerning Donald Trump as has been mentioned throughout this forum God placed Donald Trump in power and God did so through people voting for him. Who were among the majority of his voters especially in key swing states like Florida and Ohio? Christians. The facts are The Donald gave a message which many could relate to and many such as myself felt that he was a man God was appointing for our times. You can disagree with this position if you like that is completely between you and God.

The examples provided in the above post aren't the only reasons why conservatives support Trump, as demonstrated in this psychological study: An Analysis of Trump Supporters Has Identified 5 Key Traits. In fact, these other articles also demonstrate another reason why many conservatives flock to Trump.

Evangelicals Are Supporting Trump Out of Fear, Not Faith

Psychology Today: Becoming a Minority Fuels Conservatism

White fear of demographic change is a powerful psychological force

PNAS: Status threat, not economic hardship, explains the 2016 presidential vote

Trump Voters Driven by Fear of Losing Status, Not Economic Anxiety, Study Finds

genez said:

God both curses and blesses... Some presidents he puts in to chastise a nation who are not faithful to Him in sufficiency. For example, God put Obama in office to put the fear of God in complacent Christians who needed to grow stronger in their faith. Apparently, enough Christians did,. Then God put Donald Trump in office top bless us nationally for a while... Its generational. Each generation believers need to decide for themselves what kind of nation they will have by choosing for, or against, learning truth and clinging to and guarding it in their hearts.

He changes times and seasons;
he deposes kings and raises up others.
He gives wisdom to the wise
and knowledge to the discerning."
Daniel 2:21


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Some believers simply believe God will bless them because they are a believer. Not so. God has disciplined many who were lukewarm in their faith. God only blesses those who seek accurate teaching, and continue seeking for more in A DESIRE TO KNOW CHRIST!

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Our narcissistic population in love with ego serving lies got the perfect reflection of themselves.

GACfan said:

Why should Christians be entitled to special treatment from the government?

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Well they've already rejected the governance/Kingdom of God for the governance/kingdoms of man, so having already rejected God's will, they desperately need to get something out of the world they have chosen instead It will be their only reward..

JacksBratt said:

Kim Klement got it dead on.

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If Yarddog accurately conveyed the alleged prophesy by Clement, and it is alleged Trump was the subject of the prophesy, then it cannot be said of Clement that “none of his words fall to the ground.” Clement said the next two terms, and the next two terms weren’t Trump. Even if we start counting the next two “terms” as from 2013-2016 and 2017-2020, that’s still not about Trump but it would be about Obama and Trump, since Obama was president in 2013-2016. Which has the same result of Clement being wrong.

JacksBratt said:

Trump is against abortion.. Hillary is for them... Just because they lie... does not make them alike in all other ways..

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Trump is a liar and adultery, both according to 1Cor 6:9 will keep him from inheriting the kingdom of God.

Hillary would have been a huge hit to Christianity in the US. She did not have hopes for the Christians.. Trump does.

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Trump just uses Evangelicals to achieve his purpose. Power.

JacksBratt said:

No, since you missed the point.... Trump is God's choice for the US at this time, He is not near as evil as the alternative, so calling him evil, all things relative... is an incorrect argument.

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What exactly is meant by “God’s choice”? It can mean an “act of choosing,” a “person or thing that has been chosen,” “preferred.” Isn’t it possible God’s choice can still be evil? I think so, as God’s “choice” in the Bible included wicked leaders, such as his choice of Nebuchadnezzar as his instrument of punishment. Or I suppose the future Antichrist as an instrument to oppress Israel to have them finally honor the covenant he made with their forefathers and accept Christ as the fulfillment of that covenant. I guess Hilter arguably was God’s “choice” to facilitate the fulfillment of propehesy that he will gather his people who have been scattered among the nations back to the land he promised them and their forefathers.

So, it isn’t necessarily a comfort to say Trump is God’s choice. That doesn’t tell me Trump isn’t evil.

JacksBratt said:

Trump is in the office.... and it was no surprise to God.. nor was it not His will. No leader of any country is in power without Gods knowing and allowing.

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Well, “allowing” isn’t necessarily “His will.” It is God’s will none should perish but we know some undoubtedly will, and God allows it.

JacksBratt said:

Does Trump do stupid things.. Yep.... Would Christianity in the US be the same today if Hillary had of won... not a chance.

The people of the USA voted him to represent the Republicans... believe me, we had to suffer through it here in Canada for two years.. As we are now... please.... just make it stop.....

Second... The people of the US, with their system of electing leaders, that has been in place for hundreds of years... voted him in as President...



You don't have to like it but the only alternative is that you are stating that God was surprised when Trump was elected and it wasn't in God's plan.

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If it was not God's will for him to be the President.... he wouldn't be the President....

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This ignores God allowing an occurrence that is otherwise not in accordance to his will. It may be God allows wicked leaders although it isn’t his “will” for wicked people to be leaders.

Everyone is evil.. Many times in electing or choosing.. you must choose the lesser of two evils.

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“Must”? Really? There’s no other choice? Either back the antichrist or Hitler? One “MUST” choose between those two? There’s no alternative?

What you’ve done is created what is known as a false dilemma. You argued it is either A or B, assuming there’s no C, when there is a C. The C option, the third alternative, is not choosing either evil by, shockingly, abstaining from choosing.

Maybe it is possible for Christians to have retained some semblance of integrity, avoid hypocrisy, by declining to vote for either Trump or Hillary, both being to morally bankrupt to vote for either.

Kaon said:

Again, Jack, it's great to know I can agree and disagree with you on profound topics.

This is something I may disagree with you on: particularly, I believe the other "moral" things Hillary does for the spread of demographics will quantitatively outnumber the "moral" things Trump has done for the spread of demographics.


Both (in my opinion) are abominable, but if we are counting, we have to acknowledge everything right? I know you are someone who can see beyond the surface. Would you agree (barring conspiracy theory that may or may not be true about War Hawk or the Grabber) that Trump is, at best, crass? That would upset a lot of sensitive nations with sensitive leaders...

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Yes, I agree, at best he is crass.

He is not a politician.. He has no filter and says a lot of really stupid things when he should not.

However, other countries respect him as what he says is what he is. There is no phony baloney politicking.

I also believe that the US was sick and tired, as we Canadians and any other democratic nation are sick of... candidates that poll all along and make all kinds of promises to those that they think can vote them in, only to, later, do whatever the big contributors of money to their party tell them to do. Meanwhile breaking every single promise and continuing to take from the poor and give to the rich.


Seriously, look at the platforms of the Democrat hopefuls.... Paying off all student loans? Socialist policies and principals that have not worked... ever.... ? Any and every sad and twisted statement that they think is going to get the vote of all the snowflakes out there that are offended by anything that is logical....

I pray for the nations of the future.

Trump is rough and tumble with no polish.. He's a business man and not a politician.... People saw that and took a chance.. Now they are not looking back..

Not to mention that his Vice is a staunch Christian...

tulc said:

President Trump (like the Republican Party leadership for the most part) isn't actually anti-abortion, what he is, is "pro-anti-abortion single issue voters". They know that all they have to do is ring the "abortion bell" and thousands of people will line up and do exactly what they tell them to do, no questions asked. "March here, protest there, vote for this guy".


...or she wouldn't. That's the nice thing about those sorts of arguments.


I'm sorry, I have no idea what you're trying to say here.


He sure does, he hopes they keep voting for him in spite of him obviously having no idea how to do the job he has, no interest in Christians or Christianity...but he sure does love those Christian votes.
tulc(can't get enough of those)

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Sorry Tulc.... I'm still baffled as to how people cannot see the fact that Hillary was evil personified and that the state of Christianity and it's freedom in the US would have died a slow death with her as the puppet at the helm.

GACfan said:

Inquiry...

Why should Christians expect to be treated better by the President than their fellow American citizens who aren't Christians? Are Christians somehow entitled to special treatment from the government?

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Christians should be afforded religious freedom.. Under Hillary... they would not have been. If you look into the Soros' and Podesta actions.... Satanic Spirit cooking and everything evil...
Sure, call it fake news... and OJ was innocent.

Kaon said:

The Most High doesn't use entities who are unapologetically against His standards to rule and influence over His people - unless it is for a judgment, to be spiritually refined in some way or a beacon for us to repent.

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So that is basically anyone.

If it is good ruler then it is His blessing, if it is bad or really bad then it is obviously His judgement, if it is something in between then it is clearly time for spiritual refinement so we can wonder what He means this time.

NotreDame said:

If Yarddog accurately conveyed the alleged prophesy by Clement, and it is alleged Trump was the subject of the prophesy, then it cannot be said of Clement that “none of his words fall to the ground.” Clement said the next two terms, and the next two terms weren’t Trump. Even if we start counting the next two “terms” as from 2013-2016 and 2017-2020, that’s still not about Trump but it would be about Obama and Trump, since Obama was president in 2013-2016. Which has the same result of Clement being wrong.

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"IF" if Yard dog got it right..

Why not go on line and listen for yourself.. Yard dog is not the authority.. I listened to them and the prophesies that he told were not about Obama.....

I also heard, but cannot find, an interview with Rockefeller who stated that they had planned for an economic collapse after Hillary got elected... of course she was supposed to get elected.. it was the plan of the powers that be...

This man stated that "out of nowhere" Trump shows up, everyone thought it was a joke.. and he won..

SO.. now they have to wait until they get it back on track... watch for an economic collapse when Trump is done his terms.. whether its one or two... is of no matter. The US is heading for an economic collapse.

The man also stated that they are not concerned about this delay in their plans. They have people on both sides and never really lose in an election... they just change their plan.

The CEO of Yahoo stated that there are about 100 families of the most rich of the rich who control the world economy and politics... He stated that it is well known in circles far above even the moderately wealthy.. but the very wealthy all know.

Trump.. was a wild card.. flew in and took everyone by surprise..

In the words of this Rockeefeller... It was the "hand of God" because that's the only thing that is above them.