The Great Wealth Transfer from the Wicked to the Righteous?

Jonathan Walkerin · Feb 13, 2020

DennisTate said:
I really, really, really feel that the Bible Dripping Oil Miracle is real and is a SIGN of the coming Great Wealth Transfer from the Wicked To the Righteous????

Why would you believe that literally world changing repeating miracle that would upset our understanding of the universe is real ?

Only thing needed for the test is sealed container , electric scale and sealed room with neutral observers that would actually prove supernatural.

Let`s repeat that - actually prove supernatural - with the Bible involved it would even make a pretty good case for proving God exists. Oil from nothing. Matter from nothing.

The sheer implications of that would be impossible to overstate.

But we will never see anything like that will we ? We will never see any neutral testing of this "miracle".

How naive you have to be to believe this ? How much would you pay for a guy on street to sell you oil producing Bible without any testing ?

Probably nothing. Why would you give these frauds any more credibility is beyond me.

DennisTate · Feb 13, 2020

Jonathan Walkerin said:
Why would you believe that literally world changing repeating miracle that would upset our understanding of the universe is real ?

Only thing needed for the test is sealed container , electric scale and sealed room with neutral observers that would actually prove supernatural.

Let`s repeat that - actually prove supernatural - with the Bible involved it would even make a pretty good case for proving God exists. Oil from nothing. Matter from nothing.

The sheer implications of that would be impossible to overstate.

But we will never see anything like that will we ? We will never see any neutral testing of this "miracle".

How naive you have to be to believe this ? How much would you pay for a guy on street to sell you oil producing Bible without any testing ?

Probably nothing. Why would you give these frauds any more credibility is beyond me.

But..... Messiah Yeshua - Jesus somehow told them:
1. Do not sell the oil
2. Nor market the oil door to door
3. Do not try to prove this miracle to people who do not believe

So.... they do NOT take up an offerings at the meetings where they go and take the oil and the Bible they merely have a box that somebody who wants to help them with expenses has to go over to the box to put in an offering because it is costing them to travel with the oil as well as to put it in vials and give the vials away...... and to give away full gallons of the oil to the groups that assist them to distribute the oil all over the world.

Each of us who is willing to take a look at the testimonies from this, we have a responsibility to pray and ask for wisdom and discernment to be shown how to approach this?

My discernment is that Pastor Johnny Taylor is truthful and honest and blunt and is trying his best to pass on what he feels that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus is telling him:

Flowing Oil - River of Life Church - 3/20/2018

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But... the oil stopped flowing on January 10, 2020:

Home - His Name Is Flowing Oil

Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ,

The Bible has not produced any oil since January 10th of this new year. The flow has paused before, even for a week or so, and is not always consistent, but at this point it has been almost a month and has not restarted. After today, February 4, 2020, we will not be able to distribute oil. If the oil resumes its flow, we will resume distribution.

From the very beginning of this sign and wonder we have always considered that God started it, and He can stop it anytime according to His timing and will. If the oil does not begin to flow again, we in no way grieve.

As we have expressed continually, this is not “magic oil”. This oil is a point of contact that has helped activate believers in their priesthood. The oil has been a faith builder, and a clear conduit for people to experience a touch from God. We have always said this is about Jesus!

This coming Tuesday, February 11, 2020, will be the final gathering at the Wink Theater. We are taking a short break from the prayer meetings to rest, pray and seek the Lord as to which direction we feel He is leading us at this time. God has shown Himself mighty at these gatherings. We rejoice at the countless miraculous testimonies that have been shared each and every Tuesday.

We will announce on the website future plans as we know them.

We trust Him!

In Christ,

The Flowing Oil Team

Song of Songs 1:3 TPT

THE OIL IS IN US

Many people feel like there is no hope for healing unless they can obtain a vial of oil. In all of our meetings we have continually taught that this is not “magic oil”. The oil is a sign, and the Lord has used it to awaken callings and get His children moving and activated in their priesthood as believers. What we have witnessed is when people have the vial of oil in their hands boldness has increased. Many who would have hesitated to pray for others have had the courage to move by the unction of the Holy Spirit and operate in their priesthood by laying on of hands and praying for God’s people who need a touch from Him. The result has been uncounted miraculous healings, salvations, deliverances, and much more.

It is so important to understand this…..the Lord has sent the oil, and it is wonderful, and we are so grateful for it. It is a point of contact, similar to Acts 19:11-12 where the Bible describes that “God was performing extraordinary miracles by Paul’s hands, so that even facecloths or aprons that had touched his skin were brought to the sick, and the diseases left them, and the evil spirits came out of them.” This is the scripture where the church tradition of anointed prayer cloths has come from.

Before the oil flowing from the Bible came, God was healing. God has been healing His children for 2000 years. Jesus healed all who came to Him for healing (Matthew 12:15, Luke 6:19 and more). Further, the disciples carried out the healing ministry of Jesus (Matthew 10:1, Luke 9:1). Then, when Jesus ascended, He promised to send the Holy Spirit to LIVE IN US. We are told to continue the ministry of healing that Jesus and the disciples carried (Luke 9:2, Matthew 10:8, Luke 10:9 and more).

There are many scriptures that describe oil as a symbol of Holy Spirit. The very word “anoint” means to smear with oil. Now, we are the temple of God, Holy Spirit living in us. Thus, THE OIL IS IN US! (I Corinthians 6:19, II Corinthians 6:16, Ephesians 2:20, I Peter 2:4-5).

Therefore, even without the “point of contact” oil, we pray that your understanding of who you are in Christ grows, your faith grows, and that you can confidently operate in your priesthood, praying the prayer of faith, for physical healing or whatever the need is, knowing God (Holy Spirit…Oil) lives in you!

Jonathan Walkerin · Feb 13, 2020

DennisTate said:
Jesus somehow told them:
1. Do not sell the oil
2. Nor market the oil door to door
3. Do not try to prove this miracle to people who do not believe

Jesus told them not to try to prove this "miracle" ? Somehow ?

DennisTate said:
My discernment is that Pastor Johnny Taylor is truthful and honest

But Jesus told him no to let anyone test his "miracle" just take his word for it.

Ridiculous.

1 John 4:1

1 Thessalonians 5:21

DennisTate · Feb 13, 2020

Jonathan Walkerin said:
Jesus told them not to try to prove this "miracle" ? Somehow ?

But Jesus told him no to let anyone test his "miracle" just take his word for it.

Ridiculous.

1 John 4:1

1 Thessalonians 5:21

Dalton, Georgia has a population of only thirty three thousand people so take a look at this Wednesday night meeting.....in only one church there......... that happened about eight months after the oil began to flow. Something is really happening in Dalton Georgia:

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It looks to me like there are more people there in the choir than would be in most churches in a town of thirty three thousand on a Sunday morning????

DennisTate · Feb 13, 2020

Jonathan Walkerin said:
Jesus told them not to try to prove this "miracle" ? Somehow ?

But Jesus told him no to let anyone test his "miracle" just take his word for it.

Ridiculous.

1 John 4:1

1 Thessalonians 5:21

Thousands of people are testing the oil by being anointed and prayed for with it just as advised in James 5.

"14 Is any among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: 15 and the prayer of faith shall save him that is sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, it shall be forgiven him."

Until you and whoever you recognize as a spiritual mentor or leader have the oil..... you can use olive oil....... Just consecrate it into the name of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus... and you can do that yourself at home as ninety five percent of the testimonies have been so far. Johnny and Jerry were told that they would only hear back from about five percent of the people who would be healed or assisted by the presence of God through the prayers of faith and of the oil as a point of contact.

Daniel Marsh · Feb 13, 2020

DennisTate said:
I could be wrong......... my wife can tell you that on many occasions I have demonstrated a level of discernment comparable to that of a flat tire but..........
she could tell you that I am kind of good at analogies..... (so good that people around me
try their best to NOT get me started)..... but anyway.............

I really, really, really feel that the Bible Dripping Oil Miracle is real and is a SIGN of the coming Great Wealth Transfer from the Wicked To the Righteous????

I do believe that the time of some sort of metaphorical Spoiling of Egypt is about to take place......... I don't really blame you for being somewhat offended by the way that this has been presented in the past but.......... A flawed messenger does not necessarily imply a one hundred percent inaccurate message?!

So.... background information to my theory and the poll question is here:

Is it OK for Jesus to cause a Bible to drip oil?

Remind me to make friends with Heifer or Trump.

Daniel Marsh · Feb 13, 2020

The big problem I see in this thread, is claiming old testament texts as promises to oneself. In short, those texts were not written to you.

Context matters.

Daniel Marsh · Feb 13, 2020

http://hirr.hartsem.edu/cgi-bin/meg...d=default&view_records=1&ID=*&sb=3&so=descend

Daniel Marsh · Feb 13, 2020

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Updated at 9:55 a.m. on Thursday, Feb. 13, 2020: The team hosting the events posted on its website that the Bible stopped flowing with oil on Jan. 10, though they made no mention of this at its weekly gatherings since that day or when speaking to the Times Free Press nearly two weeks later. The group stopped distributing oil on Feb. 4 and will no longer hold services in Dalton, according to the online statement.

Chemical analysis tests gathered by the Times Free Press challenge the basis of a popular Dalton, Georgia, ministry that claims to have a Bible flowing with oil.

Each week, hundreds of people come to Dalton's Wink Theater to see the Bible owned by Jerry Pearce. Those who gather described deep religious experiences when the oil Bible touched them. Others said the oil cured them of sickness or helped them kick addictions.

Through donations, Pearce and Johnny Taylor, the other leader of His Name is Flowing Oil, have made a full-time job of traveling the country with the Bible, estimating they have handed out around 350,000 free vials of the oil.

The Times Free Press wrote about the increasingly popular gathering in November 2019. The next day, someone contacted the newspaper saying Pearce was a regular customer at the Tractor Supply store in Dalton. The person said Pearce often bought large amounts of mineral oil — a clear oil similar in appearance to the oil Pearce claims is coming from his Bible.

In December 2019, two Dalton Tractor Supply managers visually identified Pearce and said he consistently bought gallons of mineral oil. However, company policies barred them from providing more specific customer information.

The Times Free Press then paid for a series of chemical analyses by the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga, comparing samples of the oil Pearce hands out with the chemical structure of mineral oil and comparing Pearce's oil with the Ideal brand mineral oil sold at Tractor Supply.

The tests found Pearce's oil is petroleum-derived and the results "strongly suggest that the oil sample is mineral oil," according to the analysis. The second test, comparing the chemical composition of Pearce's oil to the product sold at Tractor Supply, found a nearly exact match.

Pearce said the managers at Tractor Supply are lying. He and Taylor repeated they do not have to defend their work, something they said in November.

"Everything we do is in the light," Taylor said. "I don't know how we could defend it other than it just comes up out of the Bible."

Online, people remain polarized about the ministry, with some calling it a hoax and others praising the results they got from using the oil. The ministry began in 2016 in the week after President Donald Trump's inauguration when Pearce and Taylor had powerful religious experiences and oil began coming from the Bible, they said.

In the four years since, the two men traveled thousands of miles with the book, even taking it to Canada. In November, Pearce said the Bible does not flow with oil when they are traveling, only when the book is in Dalton.

The weekly gatherings at the Wink Theater in Dalton are ongoing. In the next month, the ministry is scheduled to travel to California, Alabama and North Carolina.

Contact Wyatt Massey at wmassey@timesfreepress.com or 423-757-6249. Follow him on Twitter @news4mass."
Claims that a Bible in Dalton is flowing with oil undermined by new information

Blade · Feb 13, 2020

Hmm sorry no clue as to what I would be voting on. I know "A good man leaveth an inheritance to his children's children: and the wealth of the sinner is laid up for the just." This is true yes. And the bible that was placed in oil that never ruined. Unless I missed something. I thought that was the sign. Not the bible just started to drip oil on its on.

Prosperity Preachers? Lumping them ALL into one group? And then stating "they sure make a mess of things over these past four or five decades." I know of a few and.. I am 58.. their message has not changed. Well unless one can change scripture then it has.

I know the promises God has made. I never give to get. Yet I KNOW what He promised will always happen. And FOR ME.. please understand FOR ME.. to give to my wife's ministry ...well in the eyes of the lord we are one. Whats mine is hers..and whats hers is mine. We are one. So who am I really giving to?

DennisTate · Feb 13, 2020

Daniel Marsh said:
The big problem I see in this thread, is claiming old testament texts as promises to oneself. In short, those texts were not written to you.

Context matters.

Actually..... .they were!

The only scriptures that the disciples and Paul had was the Jewish Bible.

1 Corinthians 10
11
"Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come."

Luk 24:25

Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

DennisTate · Feb 13, 2020

Daniel Marsh said:
"
Updated at 9:55 a.m. on Thursday, Feb. 13, 2020: The team hosting the events posted on its website that the Bible stopped flowing with oil on Jan. 10, though they made no mention of this at its weekly gatherings since that day or when speaking to the Times Free Press nearly two weeks later. The group stopped distributing oil on Feb. 4 and will no longer hold services in Dalton, according to the online statement.

.......

Because this miracle has been going on for three years you can rest assured that somebody at any supply store where Mr. Jerry Pearce would go...... to purchase pretty much any type of liquid...... .would have videotaped him on their phones...... because a hundred thousand dollars or more would probably be paid to this type of video footage!

A lot of people for a lot of reasons will put up some serious money to attempt to debunk this type of high profile miracle.

The ABSENCE of such footage online is a form of evidence.... because after six months of the oil flowing this was known all over the local area near Dalton, Georgia.

Jonathan Walkerin · Feb 14, 2020

DennisTate said:
Because this miracle has been going on for three years you can rest assured that somebody at any supply store where Mr. Jerry Pearce would go...... to purchase pretty much any type of liquid...... .would have videotaped him on their phones...... because a hundred thousand dollars or more would probably be paid to this type of video footage!

Which seems to be just about what happened

Daniel Marsh said:
The Times Free Press wrote about the increasingly popular gathering in November 2019. The next day, someone contacted the newspaper saying Pearce was a regular customer at the Tractor Supply store in Dalton. The person said Pearce often bought large amounts of mineral oil — a clear oil similar in appearance to the oil Pearce claims is coming from his Bible.

In December 2019, two Dalton Tractor Supply managers visually identified Pearce and said he consistently bought gallons of mineral oil. However, company policies barred them from providing more specific customer information.

Shocking. It was not a miracle but hoax. Gee, who could have foreseen that. Also it was mentioned that the oil flowing miracle has now stopped after the hoax was exposed.

Of course it might just be coincidence and God just decided to end the miracle same time the pastor decided not to go mineral oil shopping anymore.

Again, how naive do you have to be to believe this ?

DennisTate · Feb 14, 2020

Jonathan Walkerin said:
Which seems to be just about what happened

Shocking. It was not a miracle but hoax. Gee, who could have foreseen that. Also it was mentioned that the oil flowing miracle has now stopped after the hoax was exposed.

Of course it might just be coincidence and God just decided to end the miracle same time the pastor decided not to go mineral oil shopping anymore.

Again, how naive do you have to be to believe this ?

Prediction.... the oil will begin flowing again.......
because just like the sign that Pastor Johnny Taylor holds up says.....
"the church is coming out of the building"...... Messiah Yeshua Jesus wants to
inspire Christians to develop a relationship directly with their Messiah that is not
nailed down by pastors who misunderstand the big things that Messiah Yeshua really wants at this time.

Jonathan Walkerin · Feb 14, 2020

DennisTate said:
Prediction.... the oil will begin flowing again.......

Yeah, the honest pastor has to get a new supplier though and want to bet now that he has been caught in the act of scamming everyone will be even more on alert so it might take while until dear scammer pastor feels confident enough to restart his faith parody.

Again seriously. The pastor gets caught red handed on fabricating this miracle and lying to everyone. Miracle immediately stops when pastor can not get his regular oil shipment from a store.

And you still think there is something divine in this ? How in earth can you believe it when everything proves it was a total hoax targeted against the gullible.

It is hard to admit you have been totally wrong about something but just take that psychologic leap and do it.

It will benefit you mentally in the long run.

Gregory Thompson · Feb 14, 2020

DennisTate said:
You are onto something important about this taking two centuries..... actually that is the number that was given to near death experiencer Howard Storm.... perhaps I am being both impatient as well as naive to expect a truly massive shift over these next two decades?????

Howard Storm's Near-Death Experience

Here is an impressive young Christian couple who did go to Dalton, Georgia and visited the Bible Store where Pastor Jerry Pearce and Pastor Johnny Taylor give away the oil and pray for people. I agree with their analysis of the whole experience.

That's awesome, thanks for sharing the youtube testimony.

I think the anxiousness is something that is like minded with anyone given a promise of a good thing in the bible. I get the sense though, that the promises I've been given are for a generation far after this one, though we seek it, another generation not yet asking will receive because they've been prepared for it.

Gregory Thompson · Feb 14, 2020

DennisTate said:
Howard Storm's Near-Death Experience

I also get a sense of this "When I spoke with them about the future, and this might sound like a cop-out on my part, they made clear to me that we have free will."

So people have been prepared for what is to come in their generation, their perception is flavored by the culture that nurtures them. But as Solomon said, blessed yet is he who has not been born and seen the evil of this world. Though Solomon was being cynical, in faith, I see God preparing each person for their generation while in their mother's womb.

So yes, if we acted differently things in the future would be different. However, the prophetic pattern seems to indicate shades of the divided kingdom and captivity ... which means no one is going to listen.

They may listen to a point, but even Christianity who is supposed to be a model for this change will listen to a point then stick to their conflicting denominational theologies.

So 200 years sounds far more realistic. However, if 200 years was the number some decades ago to someone else, perhaps it's a clock that needs to be advanced (cairos vs chronos time) and yet has not.

DennisTate · Feb 14, 2020

Michael Collum said:
I also get a sense of this "When I spoke with them about the future, and this might sound like a cop-out on my part, they made clear to me that we have free will."

So people have been prepared for what is to come in their generation, their perception is flavored by the culture that nurtures them. But as Solomon said, blessed yet is he who has not been born and seen the evil of this world. Though Solomon was being cynical, in faith, I see God preparing each person for their generation while in their mother's womb.

So yes, if we acted differently things in the future would be different. However, the prophetic pattern seems to indicate shades of the divided kingdom and captivity ... which means no one is going to listen.

They may listen to a point, but even Christianity who is supposed to be a model for this change will listen to a point then stick to their conflicting denominational theologies.

So 200 years sounds far more realistic. However, if 200 years was the number some decades ago to someone else, perhaps it's a clock that needs to be advanced (cairos vs chronos time) and yet has not.

Brilliantly stated Michael Collum!

I personally don't know exactly what you mean by cairos vs chrons time?

Do you mean anything at all along the line of this:

Could the prophet Elijah have altered history if he had NOT........

DennisTate said:
... RAN AWAY from Queen Jezebel and her armies?

Should Christians support Rebuilding of Jerusalem Third Temple.

Would any of you debaters like to elaborate on the theory that this pastor probably put forward?

This may get your creative juices working:
Multiverse Theory and multiple Ezekiel 37 type events.

DennisTate · Feb 14, 2020

Michael Collum said:
That's awesome, thanks for sharing the youtube testimony.

I think the anxiousness is something that is like minded with anyone given a promise of a good thing in the bible. I get the sense though, that the promises I've been given are for a generation far after this one, though we seek it, another generation not yet asking will receive because they've been prepared for it.

Yes....... the children being born now in a sense are like Jews who survived The Holocaust because so many unborn are aborted these days.

There is a promise of great blessings on those who survive through Holocausts.

Ezekiel 14
Yet, behold, therein shall be left a remnant that shall be brought forth, both sons and daughters: behold, they shall come forth unto you, and ye shall see their way and their doings: and ye shall be comforted concerning the evil that I have brought upon Jerusalem, even concerning all that I have brought upon it.

And they shall comfort you, when ye see their ways and their doings: and ye shall know that I have not done without cause all that I have done in it, saith the Lord GOD.

DennisTate · Feb 14, 2020

Curtis.Hilliker said:
I sowed into the Kingdom for quite a while, and these days I’m almost poor. I just don’t think God is all that interested in me having a lot for myself. When I did make good money, I really had a heart to give. So even if God is about to pour out a huge blessing for believers, I don’t think it would be for us to keep to ourselves. Just my thoughts anyway, have a good day!!!

Here you are.... going through a truly powerful and effective open door of the internet....... This means that you Curtis.Hilliker are at least somewhat in the mentality of the Philadelphian Era of the Church..... .who go through the open doors that are there in front of them............

This means that every word to the Philadelphia Church of God applies to YOU!!!!!

But there is timing....... and from what I am reading.... your time has came and expect serioius changes fast!

Revelation 3

7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth and none shall shut, and that shutteth and none openeth: 8 I know thy works (behold, I have set before thee a door opened, which none can shut), that thou hast a little power, and didst keep my word, and didst not deny my name.

9 Behold, I give of the synagogue of Satan, of them that say they are Jews, and they are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

10 Because thou didst keep the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of trial, that [hour] which is to come upon the whole world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

11 I come quickly: hold fast that which thou hast, that no one take thy crown.

12 He that overcometh, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go out thence no more: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God, and mine own new name.

13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith to the churches.

My thinking as to why major changes can be expected now is similar to the Jews of the time of John the Baptist who knew that they were living at the shift at the fourth millennial period........ which corresponded to the fourth day of Genesis 1....... We are now living in the shift of the sixth millennial period.... .over to a one thousand year Sabbath.... when Satan will be bound for one thousand years............ These next decades have even more shocks than that of what happened from five BCE to forty C. E.

The Great Wealth Transfer from the Wicked to the Righteous?

The Great Wealth Transfer from the Wicked to the Righteous... True or False?

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Literal and true

Merely Metaphorical

A money making heresy of the Prosperity Movement.

Hinted at by the Spoiling of Egypt by Israel led by Moses.

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