Is it OK for Jesus to cause a Bible to drip oil?

CharismaticLady · Feb 11, 2020

DennisTate said:
Have you heard of a Pastor Johnny and a Pastor Jerry who have something kind of interesting going on with oil from their Bible?

If I remember correctly that notable miracle, (if it is true and I personally do believe that it is), is happening in Dalton ,Georgia????

I've seen it. It has not only healed, but raised the dead. The oil has been tested and is not from any known manufactured source.

This is not the first Bible to produce oil.

Mark Quayle · Feb 11, 2020

DennisTate said:
Flowing Oil

Flowing Oil

Jeremiah 31
Behold, the days come, saith Jehovah, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was a husband unto them, saith Jehovah.

33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith Jehovah: I will put my law in their inward parts, and in their heart will I write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people: 34 and they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know Jehovah; for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith Jehovah: for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin will I remember no more.

35 Thus saith Jehovah, who giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, who stirreth up the sea, so that the waves thereof roar; Jehovah of hosts is his name: 36 If these ordinances depart from before me, saith Jehovah, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

37 Thus saith Jehovah: If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, then will I also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith Jehovah.

Do we realize how valuable it is to be consider the seed of Abraham through our Messiah Yeshua - Jesus?

Act 3:25
Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Rom 4:16

Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

Oil from Bible Interview

I personally do admit to even modern day miracle, as I have witnessed more than one first hand, even been the recipient of things that to my mind fit the description. I also admit that "there is a time for everything", so I do not say that this example you give is bogus. However, it has the feel of bogus to me, and certainly of lacking in necessity unless to prove to unbelievers, as Christ did, that God is powerful.

To me, "an evil and perverse generation seeks a sign" is a fitting comment, because while I must thank God for any way he chooses to use to bring the Elect to himself, the focus on miracle instead of on the Gospel feels like a kick in the gut to me. His very mercy on undeserving fools like me, removing my sins from me and his own Son taking that debt of death upon himself, is more than enough evidence of his power.

CharismaticLady · Feb 11, 2020

Mark Quayle said:
I personally do admit to even modern day miracle, as I have witnessed more than one first hand, even been the recipient of things that to my mind fit the description. I also admit that "there is a time for everything", so I do not say that this example you give is bogus. However, it has the feel of bogus to me, and certainly of lacking in necessity unless to prove to unbelievers, as Christ did, that God is powerful.

To me, "an evil and perverse generation seeks a sign" is a fitting comment, because while I must thank God for any way he chooses to use to bring the Elect to himself, the focus on miracle instead of on the Gospel feels like a kick in the gut to me. His very mercy on undeserving fools like me, removing my sins from me and his own Son taking that debt of death upon himself, is more than enough evidence of his power.

The wicked seek a sign. The righteous receive signs and wonders. Don't apply one to the other. God hates mockers.

coffee4u · Feb 11, 2020

Oscarr said:
If I said that the oil dripping from the Bible was real, I must have had a 72 year old senior moment!

The discussion tended into whether the claims of divine healing in certain settings were real or not. So I used Wigglesworth and Khulman as examples of the healing being real because they were verified by medical examinations. However, it was around midnight when I made the post and my coach had turned into a pumpkin and so I could have given the wrong impression.

Heh, that's what I get for posting about the original post on page 2 or 3. ^_^

DennisTate · Feb 11, 2020

Mark Quayle said:
I personally do admit to even modern day miracle, as I have witnessed more than one first hand, even been the recipient of things that to my mind fit the description. I also admit that "there is a time for everything", so I do not say that this example you give is bogus. However, it has the feel of bogus to me, and certainly of lacking in necessity unless to prove to unbelievers, as Christ did, that God is powerful.

To me, "an evil and perverse generation seeks a sign" is a fitting comment, because while I must thank God for any way he chooses to use to bring the Elect to himself, the focus on miracle instead of on the Gospel feels like a kick in the gut to me. His very mercy on undeserving fools like me, removing my sins from me and his own Son taking that debt of death upon himself, is more than enough evidence of his power.

When you hear about how Jesus got two mom's to anoint their sons with the oil.......
you may take a step toward taking this much more seriously.

Ken Rank · Feb 11, 2020

twin.spin said:
Actually you have taken a position … but that isn't my concern.

I admittingly not listened entirely to the so-called "sermon" that has been posted (i.e. Post #135), I've skimmed most of it. And when someone states and or appears any combination of these:

they are getting insider messages from God \ Jesus

having\experiencing some sort of supernatural powers etc.

to be ranting \ yelling their parts of the "sermon" to the audience

to be physically uncontrollable while speaking

all the more a person should heed Jesus' warning of false prophets and their deceptions.

I have not taken a position. I said I can't imagine why God would need to do something like this... BUT.... I lack God's mind and He MIGHT have His reasons. I don't know... I can wait before judging.

Ken Rank · Feb 11, 2020

Hazelelponi said:
If we, the people of God, don't speak out against the things of Satan then who will?

It's to God's people to protect those who don't know better from being decieved.

Prove this is of Satan and not of God... but you have to be 100% sure is all I am saying.

Mark Quayle · Feb 11, 2020

CharismaticLady said:
The wicked seek a sign. The righteous receive signs and wonders. Don't apply one to the other. God hates mockers.

Fair enough.

DennisTate · Feb 12, 2020

Ken Rank said:
Prove this is of Satan and not of God... but you have to be 100% sure is all I am saying.

I am of the opinion that these verses are being fulfilled...... Although this is similar to the miracle done through the faith of Elisha.... this is also significantly different as well.

Isaiah 48

6 Thou hast heard it; behold all this; and ye, will ye not declare it? I have showed thee new things from this time, even hidden things, which thou hast not known.

7 They are created now, and not from of old; and before this day thou heardest them not; lest thou shouldest say, Behold, I knew them.

DennisTate · Feb 12, 2020

Update from Flowing Oil:

Home - His Name Is Flowing Oil

Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ,

The Bible has not produced any oil since January 10th of this new year. The flow has paused before, even for a week or so, and is not always consistent, but at this point it has been almost a month and has not restarted. After today, February 4, 2020, we will not be able to distribute oil. If the oil resumes its flow, we will resume distribution.

From the very beginning of this sign and wonder we have always considered that God started it, and He can stop it anytime according to His timing and will. If the oil does not begin to flow again, we in no way grieve.

As we have expressed continually, this is not “magic oil”. This oil is a point of contact that has helped activate believers in their priesthood. The oil has been a faith builder, and a clear conduit for people to experience a touch from God. We have always said this is about Jesus!

This coming Tuesday, February 11, 2020, will be the final gathering at the Wink Theater. We are taking a short break from the prayer meetings to rest, pray and seek the Lord as to which direction we feel He is leading us at this time. God has shown Himself mighty at these gatherings. We rejoice at the countless miraculous testimonies that have been shared each and every Tuesday.

We will announce on the website future plans as we know them.

We trust Him!

In Christ,

The Flowing Oil Team

Song of Songs 1:3 TPT

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THE OIL IS IN US

Many people feel like there is no hope for healing unless they can obtain a vial of oil. In all of our meetings we have continually taught that this is not “magic oil”. The oil is a sign, and the Lord has used it to awaken callings and get His children moving and activated in their priesthood as believers. What we have witnessed is when people have the vial of oil in their hands boldness has increased. Many who would have hesitated to pray for others have had the courage to move by the unction of the Holy Spirit and operate in their priesthood by laying on of hands and praying for God’s people who need a touch from Him. The result has been uncounted miraculous healings, salvations, deliverances, and much more.

It is so important to understand this…..the Lord has sent the oil, and it is wonderful, and we are so grateful for it. It is a point of contact, similar to Acts 19:11-12 where the Bible describes that “God was performing extraordinary miracles by Paul’s hands, so that even facecloths or aprons that had touched his skin were brought to the sick, and the diseases left them, and the evil spirits came out of them.” This is the scripture where the church tradition of anointed prayer cloths has come from.

Before the oil flowing from the Bible came, God was healing. God has been healing His children for 2000 years. Jesus healed all who came to Him for healing (Matthew 12:15, Luke 6:19 and more). Further, the disciples carried out the healing ministry of Jesus (Matthew 10:1, Luke 9:1). Then, when Jesus ascended, He promised to send the Holy Spirit to LIVE IN US. We are told to continue the ministry of healing that Jesus and the disciples carried (Luke 9:2, Matthew 10:8, Luke 10:9 and more).

There are many scriptures that describe oil as a symbol of Holy Spirit. The very word “anoint” means to smear with oil. Now, we are the temple of God, Holy Spirit living in us. Thus, THE OIL IS IN US! (I Corinthians 6:19, II Corinthians 6:16, Ephesians 2:20, I Peter 2:4-5).

Therefore, even without the “point of contact” oil, we pray that your understanding of who you are in Christ grows, your faith grows, and that you can confidently operate in your priesthood, praying the prayer of faith, for physical healing or whatever the need is, knowing God (Holy Spirit…Oil) lives in you!

Blade · Feb 12, 2020

I remember this preacher talking about how.. they were anointing and everyone thought GOD's HERE. Every time they anointed someone it was hot! Yet.. they forgot the oil was left in the sun. NOT that.. that could not happen!

Not trying to down play this.. I have seen other wonders from God but.. people being blessed, healed PRAISE GOD! As for the bible sitting in oil.. ok.

DennisTate · Feb 12, 2020

Adino The Eznite said:
The Worldwide Church of God is a cult, I know, I was hoodwinked by them for 10 years. Nearly lost my entire family because of them and their false teachings.

But........ on the plus side..... I would not trade them for any other church that I know of........ because they did teach me some really, really, really important things that I could not have learned in another denomination.

Evangelist Garner Ted Armstrong did get me up out of Atheism..... because the hellfire and brimstone doctrine deeply offended me when I was six years old.... so by the time I was eight years old..... I was taught Atheistic Evolutionary Theory in school and I latched onto it until I heard Garner Ted really stomp on Evolution back around 1972 or 1973.

The Worldwide Church of God was actually a pretty good way to get introduced to some aspects of Judaism............ In my opinion though.... Rabbi Alon Anava is an even better speaker than Garner Ted.

Orthodox Rabbi does most powerful sermon on thankfulness.

Adino The Eznite · Feb 12, 2020

DennisTate said:
But........ on the plus side..... I would not trade them for any other church that I know of........ because they did teach me some really, really, really important things that I could not have learned in another denomination.

Evangelist Garner Ted Armstrong did get me up out of Atheism..... because the hellfire and brimstone doctrine deeply offended me when I was six years old.... so by the time I was eight years old..... I was taught Atheistic Evolutionary Theory in school and I latched onto it until I heard Garner Ted really stomp on Evolution back around 1972 or 1973.

The Worldwide Church of God was actually a pretty good way to get introduced to some aspects of Judaism............ In my opinion though.... Rabbi Alon Anava is an even better speaker than Garner Ted.
Orthodox Rabbi does most powerful sermon on thankfulness.

Sadly they mixed many truths with false teachings. There is only one true church and that is the one with Jesus Christ at its head, not some man or men.
Jesus Christs church is not a building or a particular religious group with some special name? The new Testament Church, of which Jesus Christ is the head is a called out body of people of all nations who have been born again and who have lived a true Christian life and died in the faith. It also includes all those who are alive in Christ today. This present church is called the "ekklesia" of the New Testament times, called out of this world to evangelize the world in this age.

The church, in its largest signification is the whole company of redeemed in all ages, in Heaven and in Earth (Eph. 3:1-11; Heb. 12:23). It is the spiritual people who have been made members of the universal family of God. The church in this sense is the body of Christ, and it does not consist of saved and unsaved. It is not a group of individuals associated together for social and benevolent purposes, as seems to be on every hand in most worldly church gatherings. It is the body of people indwelt by God through the Holy Spirit and through whom God works in the world.

The new Testament Church, of which Jesus Christ is the head is a called out body of people of all nations who have been born again and who have lived a true Christian life and died in the faith. It also includes all those who are alive in Christ today. This present church is called the "ekklesia" of the New Testament times, called out of this world to evangelize the world in this age.

The church, in its largest signification is the whole company of redeemed in all ages, in Heaven and in Earth (Eph. 3:1-11; Heb. 12:23). It is the spiritual people who have been made members of the universal family of God. The church in this sense is the body of Christ, and it does not consist of saved and unsaved. It is not a group of individuals associated together for social and benevolent purposes, as seems to be on every hand in most worldly church gatherings. It is the body of people indwelt by God through the Holy Spirit and through whom God works in the world.

Not only is Christ the founder of the church but he is also the foundation of the church. In that same statement to Simon Peter cited earlier Christ said, "Upon this rock I will build my church" (Matt. 16:18). What was or is the rock on which the church of Christ is established? It is the bed-rock foundation fact that Peter had just acknowledged -- namely, that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God. In Matthew 16:16 Peter said to Jesus, "Thou art the Christ, the son of the living God." Following this statement Jesus said that upon this rock he would build his church. The rock was not the apostle Peter or any other man; rather it was Christ and his divine relationship to God- the fact that he is God's Son. The apostle Paul makes this abundantly clear when he states, "For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ" (1 Corinthians 3:11).

Any church built on a NAME or some special religious doctrine or some form of church government led by a man or men is built on the wrong foundation and will not stand. The church our Lord established is built on him - on the fact that he is God's Son. That is why every person who becomes a member of His church must confess his faith in Christ as the Son of God (Acts 8:37). Christs church is said to be a spiritual house made up of lively or living stones.

Before a person can be placed on Christ the foundation and made a stone in that house he must believe that Jesus is the Son of God (1 Peter 2:5,6). He must not bow down before statues, skulls of dead men, pay to the dead and other such pagan traditions.

DennisTate · Feb 12, 2020

Adino The Eznite said:
Sadly they mixed many truths with false teachings. There is only one true church and that is the one with Jesus Christ at its head, not some man or men.
Jesus Christs church is not a building or a particular religious group with some special name? The new Testament Church, of which Jesus Christ is the head is a called out body of people of all nations who have been born again and who have lived a true Christian life and died in the faith. It also includes all those who are alive in Christ today. This present church is called the "ekklesia" of the New Testament times, called out of this world to evangelize the world in this age.

The church, in its largest signification is the whole company of redeemed in all ages, in Heaven and in Earth (Eph. 3:1-11; Heb. 12:23). It is the spiritual people who have been made members of the universal family of God. The church in this sense is the body of Christ, and it does not consist of saved and unsaved. It is not a group of individuals associated together for social and benevolent purposes, as seems to be on every hand in most worldly church gatherings. It is the body of people indwelt by God through the Holy Spirit and through whom God works in the world.

The new Testament Church, of which Jesus Christ is the head is a called out body of people of all nations who have been born again and who have lived a true Christian life and died in the faith. It also includes all those who are alive in Christ today. This present church is called the "ekklesia" of the New Testament times, called out of this world to evangelize the world in this age.

The church, in its largest signification is the whole company of redeemed in all ages, in Heaven and in Earth (Eph. 3:1-11; Heb. 12:23). It is the spiritual people who have been made members of the universal family of God. The church in this sense is the body of Christ, and it does not consist of saved and unsaved. It is not a group of individuals associated together for social and benevolent purposes, as seems to be on every hand in most worldly church gatherings. It is the body of people indwelt by God through the Holy Spirit and through whom God works in the world.

Not only is Christ the founder of the church but he is also the foundation of the church. In that same statement to Simon Peter cited earlier Christ said, "Upon this rock I will build my church" (Matt. 16:18). What was or is the rock on which the church of Christ is established? It is the bed-rock foundation fact that Peter had just acknowledged -- namely, that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God. In Matthew 16:16 Peter said to Jesus, "Thou art the Christ, the son of the living God." Following this statement Jesus said that upon this rock he would build his church. The rock was not the apostle Peter or any other man; rather it was Christ and his divine relationship to God- the fact that he is God's Son. The apostle Paul makes this abundantly clear when he states, "For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ" (1 Corinthians 3:11).

Any church built on a NAME or some special religious doctrine or some form of church government led by a man or men is built on the wrong foundation and will not stand. The church our Lord established is built on him - on the fact that he is God's Son. That is why every person who becomes a member of His church must confess his faith in Christ as the Son of God (Acts 8:37). Christs church is said to be a spiritual house made up of lively or living stones.

Before a person can be placed on Christ the foundation and made a stone in that house he must believe that Jesus is the Son of God (1 Peter 2:5,6). He must not bow down before statues, skulls of dead men, pay to the dead and other such pagan traditions.

Brilliantly stated!

Reading the following book over and over again...... and listening to it over and over again assisted me a lot in my own personal recovery over these last twenty years!

Pastor Rick Joyner met somebody during his visionary dream that I wondered if it could have been Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong??????? It is after the 2:20:00 in the video.... I bet you will recognize it when you hear it.

lismore · Feb 12, 2020

CharismaticLady said:
It has not only healed, but raised the dead.

That's good. Those who were dead will have a vision of heaven that they can share on TBN.

CharismaticLady · Feb 12, 2020

lismore said:
That's good. Those who were dead will have a vision of heaven that they can share on TBN.

Maybe. I've heard many testimonies, and have many testimonies myself, just not from death.

Gregory Thompson · Feb 12, 2020

DennisTate said:
Have you heard of a Pastor Johnny and a Pastor Jerry who have something kind of interesting going on with oil from their Bible?

If I remember correctly that notable miracle, (if it is true and I personally do believe that it is), is happening in Dalton ,Georgia????

Sounds like the pentecostal/charismatic branch is starting to get catholic style miracles.

But analyzing it prophetically, it might mean that the Holy Spirit is being bled from our interpretations. Not necessarily a good thing.

Jonathan Walkerin · Feb 13, 2020

Why do people accept this fraud ? How naive you have to be ?

A repeating miracle....

Existence of this would turn the world upside down. Oil from nothing would change everything we have come to understand with science and logic.

And only thing needed to verify this would be sealed container, electric scale and a sealed room where to record this miracle of container gaining weight and overflowing with oil.

But of course they will never allow a simple test like that out of their control because it would prove they are frauds and people believing this are just gullible.

Instead they just keep the Bible in oil, then lift it out and after oil seeps out it is a miracle.

Ken Rank · Feb 13, 2020

DennisTate said:
I am of the opinion that these verses are being fulfilled...... Although this is similar to the miracle done through the faith of Elisha.... this is also significantly different as well.

Isaiah 48

6 Thou hast heard it; behold all this; and ye, will ye not declare it? I have showed thee new things from this time, even hidden things, which thou hast not known.

7 They are created now, and not from of old; and before this day thou heardest them not; lest thou shouldest say, Behold, I knew them.

Those verses are not fulfilled by a bible leaking oil. There is no record of anything like this in history, especially, in the bible. God made the rock bring forth water, but that miracle was the keep Israel from dying of thirst. There is nothing even close to an object leaking oil for no other purpose then "it's a miracle." This is why I would TEND to think this isn't of God, it serves no purpose. But, lacking His mind and understanding, I can't take a definitive position (and neither should you) until you KNOW first hand that this is of God.

DennisTate · Feb 13, 2020

Ken Rank said:
Those verses are not fulfilled by a bible leaking oil. There is no record of anything like this in history, especially, in the bible. God made the rock bring forth water, but that miracle was the keep Israel from dying of thirst. There is nothing even close to an object leaking oil for no other purpose then "it's a miracle." This is why I would TEND to think this isn't of God, it serves no purpose. But, lacking His mind and understanding, I can't take a definitive position (and neither should you) until you KNOW first hand that this is of God.

When I hear people speak for several minutes...... I get a vibe as to whether or not they are honest people..... Pastor Jerry Pearce and Pastor Johnny Taylor impress me as being honest and truthful. My wife is far, far better at this than I am..... but I know a little bit about this. This is my assessment and I will be shocked if I am somehow proven wrong over the long term.

As a matter of fact:

The Great Wealth Transfer from the Wicked to the Righteous?

There was an episode of Sid Roth where a guest stated that two massive serpents named INSECURITY AND INFERIORITY were the ones that got to Eve and Adam in Eden and even on a discussion forum there are hints even in our writing if we are acting out of the insecurities and feelings of inferiority that we have bought into over years and decades as the Adversary lied..... and told us that we were not good enough for Messiah Yeshua - Jesus to work through powerfully.

Is it OK for Jesus to cause a Bible to drip oil?

Do you have a problem with Jesus causing a Bible to drip oil?

No

Yes

I think that Jesus can do whatever he chooses to do anywhere He pleases!

Why would Jesus do such an awesome miracle in the USA???????

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