“One Baptism for the remission of sins”

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Do you confess?

“I acknowledge one Baptism for the remission of sins” - Nicene Creed

Yours in the Lord,

jm
 

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Do you confess?

“I acknowledge one Baptism for the remission of sins” - Nicene Creed

Yours in the Lord,

jm
i.e., on account of, not, in order to obtain.
 
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This is the whole portion of what is said.

In one holy catholic and apostolic Church; we acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; we look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

But it doesn't say if the baptism being referred to is Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Or is it referring to Ephesians 4:5
One Lord, one faith, one baptism
The context says this is referring to the baptism into the Body of Christ.
1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Which is clearly not the same baptism Peter is referring to in Acts 2:38.
 
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This is the whole portion of what is said.

In one holy catholic and apostolic Church; we acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; we look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

But it doesn't say if the baptism being referred to is Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Or is it referring to Ephesians 4:5
One Lord, one faith, one baptism
The context says this is referring to the baptism into the Body of Christ.
1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Which is clearly not the same baptism Peter is referring to in Acts 2:38.

Excellent post Doug, my only concern, are we being anachronistic? Reading into the Creed what we believe today, since the Reformation? Is there commentary (besides scripture) that would support a Protestant understanding? I'm not asking out of doubt but for a better historical understanding.

Yours in the Lord,

jm
 
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No I do not.

Reason, the original Nicene Creed, did not include that.

That was not added until AD 381. (Also known as Niceno–Constantinopolitan Creed)

God Bless

Till all are one.
 
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Excellent post Doug, my only concern, are we being anachronistic? Reading into the Creed what we believe today, since the Reformation? Is there commentary (besides scripture) that would support a Protestant understanding? I'm not asking out of doubt but for a better historical understanding.

Yours in the Lord,

jm
To me that is the problem. The Nicene Creed doesn't specify which Baptism it is referring to.
This guy says the Nicene Creed refers to being baptized into the Body of Christ.
16. DID THE NICENE CREED TEACH WATER BAPTISM SAVES?

I agree in light of 1 Corinthians 12:13 and Romans 6:3.
 
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No I do not.

Reason, the original Nicene Creed, did not include that.

That was not added until AD 381. (Also known as Niceno–Constantinopolitan Creed)

God Bless

Till all are one.

Nice! Deacon FTW...for the win! Seems like I might have read up on that on Wikipedia some time ago, having forgotten about it until you came along and reminded, thank you brother! JM had me going, scratching my head for a minute, like huh? Say wha? But I shrugged it off, and lo and behold, the answer is in the details...seems like so many things are this way...gotta dig and keep digging as though for gold!
 
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Nice! Deacon FTW...for the win!
The problem is that the later version is the one used today. The original didn't have the third section. It ended with "and in the Holy Spirit." It also didn't mention the Virgin Birth. It was really just about Arianism. It was supplemented to make it a fuller creed.
 
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There was also the issue of the "trinity".

According to the Wikipedia:

Filioque controversy

In the late 6th century, some Latin-speaking churches added the words "and from the Son" (Filioque) to the description of the procession of the Holy Spirit, in what many Eastern Orthodox Christians have at a later stage argued is a violation of Canon VII of the Third Ecumenical Council, since the words were not included in the text by either the Council of Nicaea or that of Constantinople. This was incorporated into the liturgical practice of Rome in 1014. Filioque eventually became one of the main causes for the East-West Schism in 1054, and the failures of the repeated union attempts.

The Vatican stated in 1995 that, while the words καὶ τοῦ Υἱοῦ ("and the Son") would indeed be heretical if used with the Greek verb ἐκπορεύομαι—which is one of the terms used by St. Gregory of Nazianzus and the one adopted by the Council of Constantinople—the word Filioque is not heretical when associated with the Latin verb procedo and the related word processio. Whereas the verb ἐκπορεύομαι (from ἐκ, "out of" and πορεύομαι "to come or go") in Gregory and other Fathers necessarily means "to originate from a cause or principle," the Latin term procedo (from pro, "forward;" and cedo, "to go") has no such connotation and simply denotes the communication of the Divine Essence or Substance. In this sense, processio is similar in meaning to the Greek term προϊέναι, used by the Fathers from Alexandria (especially Cyril of Alexandria) as well as others. Partly due to the influence of the Latin translations of the New Testament (especially of John 15:26), the term ἐκπορευόμενον (the present participle of ἐκπορεύομαι) in the creed was translated into Latin as procedentem. In time, the Latin version of the Creed came to be interpreted in the West in the light of the Western concept of processio, which required the affirmation of the Filioque to avoid the heresy of Arianism."

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Two Fundamentalists once said:

Dr. Jimmy Draper:

A Creed is not a revelation of divine truth; it is not a rule of faith and practice, but it is a help in both. Creeds have no authority over conscience.

Ernest Reisinger wrote:

DANGERS OF CREEDS AND CONFESSIONS
One of the dangers of Creeds and Confessions is using them to bind the conscience. They must never be used to bind the conscience. They can only bind the conscience so far as they are biblical, and they bind only those who voluntarily subscribe to them.

Another danger is allowing Creeds to usurp the place of authority. We do not worship the Creeds. The Bible is our final authority and standard, and it alone. By it we must prove all things. We must not exalt the Creeds above, or equal to the Bible. Creeds are the products of men. However, the respected Creeds are the products of many holy, competent, and seasoned men. The Creeds have proved a safeguard for Christians. They are not independent assertions of truth. They are derived from, and subordinate to, the Bible as the only source and standard of Christian authority.

The Creeds themselves warn against the danger of Creeds. "God alone is Lord of the conscience, and hath left it free from the doctrines and commandments of men as such are in anything contrary to His word or not contained in it. So that to believe such doctrines, or obey such commands out of conscience is to betray true liberty of conscience; and the requiring of an implicit faith and absolute and blind obedience is to destroy liberty of conscience and reason also." (Philadelphia Confession of Faith, 1742, Chapter 21, part 2).

I really love this statement:

"However, the respected Creeds are the products of many holy, competent, and seasoned men. The Creeds have proved a safeguard for Christians. They are not independent assertions of truth. They are derived from, and subordinate to, the Bible as the only source and standard of Christian authority."

God Bless

Till all are one.
 
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Do you confess?

“I acknowledge one Baptism for the remission of sins” - Nicene Creed

Yours in the Lord,

jm

Yes, I do.

Off-topic: Hey, Jim, are you the same JM from the Puritanboard?
 
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Yes, I do.

Off-topic: Hey, Jim, are you the same JM from the Puritanboard?

Nice profile pic.

Love Arthur W. Pink's theology.

God Bless

Till all are one.
 
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Do you confess?

“I acknowledge one Baptism for the remission of sins” - Nicene Creed

I don't understand why some have a problem with this statement, since it is the same statement used in Acts 2:38. Sure, the Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholics may view it in another light (as well as Lutherans), but we can still affirm this in a proper understanding of how it was used by Peter (and perhaps the Nicene fathers).
 
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I don't understand why some have a problem with this statement, since it is the same statement used in Acts 2:38. Sure, the Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholics may view it in another light (as well as Lutherans), but we can still affirm this in a proper understanding of how it was used by Peter (and perhaps the Nicene fathers).
Didn't say I had a problem with it just asking if others believed it.
 
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