He isn't like I thought

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Yes, the Holy Spirit being the Author of Scripture means it would do us well to hear His advice on the matter by knowing His Word.

Reading and hearing are not the same thing!!

The Pharisees read and studied the Scriptures but they didn't seek the voice of the Lord!

This is pointed out really well with the story of Saul. We read that story, right.

Saul was a Pharisee of Pharisee, and he knew "His Word" if you want to call the Scriptures "His Word" - and so by his great 'knowing' of 'His Word' the Scriptures, Saul went to put early Christians in jail!!! If what you write is correct, then Saul was doing 'well' by taking the advice on the matter of knowing' His Word'. --- Yet what happened to Saul? He was on the road and suddenly he actually heard (not read and called it hearing) but he actually heard the voice of the Lord saying "Saul, why are you persecuting Me" - and silly Saul could only respond "Who are you Lord" because he did not know the voice of the Lord.

There was a difference between seeking the voice of the Lord and listening for Him and reading the Scriptures. Saul found out the hard way. We read this story, right?????

Perhaps we read verses like;

Gal 3:22 But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

Jn 5:39 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

Prov 3:5,6 Trust in the Lord with all your heart and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your way acknowledge Him and He will bake your paths straight.

Reading the Bible and leaning on your own understanding has not and does not get it done!! We need to seek the Lord!! We need to listen to Him!! Have we not read that man must live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God?? He is the great "I Am" - so He is always with you to be sought, found, and heard from!!

If you get a dream, and you are wondering about it, seek the voice of the Lord and listen!!!
If you pick up a thought of some spiritual voice, are you going to go to your Bible of to your Lord Jesus Christ for information about it. Did we not read that Paul took all thoughts captive to Jesus Christ? So how come someone writes "hear His advice on the matter by knowing His Word"? You don't hear His voice by knowing His Word, because Jesus Christ is the Word of God!! So you hear His advice on the matter by seek Him personally and listening to what He personally has to say to you. But perhaps not all people believe in Him. Maybe they don't know that He stands at the door and knocks and if anyone hears His voice and opens the door He will come into them and eat with them and them with Him. In that case they are probably searching the Scriptures thinking in them they had eternal life instead of seeking Him personally for advice?

Jesus explained, Jn 8:47 He who is of God hears the words of God for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God."

That was told to people who studied the Scriptures as the Word of God, but they didn't know Him as the Word of God

Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called the Word of God

So why are they calling the Scriptures by His name? Is doing that giving honor to His name?

Mal 2:1" And now this commandment is for you, O priests. If you do not listen, and if you do not take it to heart to give honor to My name," says the Lord of hosts, "then I will send the curse upon you and I will curse your blessings; and indeed, I have cursed them already, because you are not taking it to heart.

We call Him Jesus Christ because Jesus means God's salvation, but His name has always been "The Word of God" and He is not the Scriptures!! He is called "The Word of God" because He has the words of God! They belong to Him. The Spirit takes from what is His and speaks them to your spirit, so that the Word that we preach is found in our hearts and on our lips. That is the Word of God we are preaching, not the Bible. We are to use the Bible to preach the Word of God (Jesus Christ).

The Spirit once told me, "Karl, we don't use the Lord to preach the Bible, we use the Bible to preach the Lord." Yet people get that backwards often. They get zealous for their Bible instead of the Lord of lords and King of kings. They put their faith in their Bible instead of Jesus Christ. So many on that day will tell Him they cast out demons in His name, healed the sick in His name, and even prophesied in His name, but He will tell them that He never knew them. He doesn't lie. If they were seek Him, listening to Him, and having conversations with Him then they know each other. But if they know Him, who is it they are not telling people to seek Him, but rather are pointing people to the Bible and preaching it as the Word of God instead of Him.

I want people to know Him. It is a wise thing to seek Him. It is written that all those who seek find. He is just standing there knocking with His voice. Can we believe that?
 
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This thread was on "His isn't like I thought" And He is not like you think if all you have done in read your Bible. You have to get into conversations with Him. You have to take time to listen to Him. He is far more incredible than you can imagine from just reading the Bible.

For one thing; He is always there to talk to you!!

If you are just focusing on reading your Bible then you have not grasped the fact that He is always there to talk to you!! You read that He goes by "I Am" but it never occurred to you that what you read was correct.

Another thing: People tend to say that He much match up with what the Bible says. WOW have they got it all backwards. The fact is your understanding of the Bible needs to match up with what He says!! Listening to Him gives you a much better understanding of the Bible, but if you are thinking that He has to match up with your understanding of the Bible you are sadly missing out.

Another thing: He made all things, so what do you think is important to Him? He once told me, "Karl, always remember that the whole earth is mine. The whole earth, the whole university, the whole everything, but especially the whole earth. Always remember that." Christians regularly get this all mixed up, that is why we have such sad things in history like the Crusades, when He has never wanted anyone to perish. So when you listen to Him you get the correct idea of Him, but if you lean on your understanding you are going to get it wrong.

Another things is that He is sooooooo much smarter than you that you can't even comprehend.

He once gave me a chicken joke "How did the fox get the chicken to cross to his side of the road?" The answer is: he used a crowbar.

You know the basic chicken joke, "Why does a chicken cross the road? To get to the other side." The only reason that joke is funny is that it is soooo obvious that only a two year old can't get it. It is the blatant obviousness of the joke that makes is funny! So wasn't the Lord's chicken joke completely obvious to you? It wasn't to me. He had to explain it to me.

Ok - if you are going to get a chicken to cross the road you are going to need to make a noise like the rooster, and the roosters song is a crow, and part of a song is a bar. So the fox went [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]-a-doodle-doo or a crow bar. But you instantly understood that that 'fox' Satan, tries to get you to cross to his side of the road by making a noise like the Lord, right? Satan is fine with saying "Read your Bible", but that is only part of what the Lord tells you! Man must live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of the Lord not jus those words spoken thousands of years ago. So in the desert where Satan told Jesus to make bread out of those stones in the desert, did you understand that Moses brought down the law on two stones? But we don't live only by the words on those stones in the desert by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of Him who said He would never leaven us. So did He tell you a chicken joke today? Of did you cross the road to the other side?

It is blatantly obvious that we need to be hearing from our Lord personally everyday that is called today!!!
 
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Reading and hearing are not the same thing!!

The Pharisees read and studied the Scriptures but they didn't seek the voice of the Lord!

This is pointed out really well with the story of Saul. We read that story, right.

Saul was a Pharisee of Pharisee, and he knew "His Word" if you want to call the Scriptures "His Word" - and so by his great 'knowing' of 'His Word' the Scriptures, Saul went to put early Christians in jail!!! If what you write is correct, then Saul was doing 'well' by taking the advice on the matter of knowing' His Word'. --- Yet what happened to Saul? He was on the road and suddenly he actually heard (not read and called it hearing) but he actually heard the voice of the Lord saying "Saul, why are you persecuting Me" - and silly Saul could only respond "Who are you Lord" because he did not know the voice of the Lord.

There was a difference between seeking the voice of the Lord and listening for Him and reading the Scriptures. Saul found out the hard way. We read this story, right?????

Perhaps we read verses like;

Gal 3:22 But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

Jn 5:39 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

Prov 3:5,6 Trust in the Lord with all your heart and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your way acknowledge Him and He will bake your paths straight.

Reading the Bible and leaning on your own understanding has not and does not get it done!! We need to seek the Lord!! We need to listen to Him!! Have we not read that man must live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God?? He is the great "I Am" - so He is always with you to be sought, found, and heard from!!

If you get a dream, and you are wondering about it, seek the voice of the Lord and listen!!!
If you pick up a thought of some spiritual voice, are you going to go to your Bible of to your Lord Jesus Christ for information about it. Did we not read that Paul took all thoughts captive to Jesus Christ? So how come someone writes "hear His advice on the matter by knowing His Word"? You don't hear His voice by knowing His Word, because Jesus Christ is the Word of God!! So you hear His advice on the matter by seek Him personally and listening to what He personally has to say to you. But perhaps not all people believe in Him. Maybe they don't know that He stands at the door and knocks and if anyone hears His voice and opens the door He will come into them and eat with them and them with Him. In that case they are probably searching the Scriptures thinking in them they had eternal life instead of seeking Him personally for advice?

Jesus explained, Jn 8:47 He who is of God hears the words of God for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God."

That was told to people who studied the Scriptures as the Word of God, but they didn't know Him as the Word of God

Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called the Word of God

So why are they calling the Scriptures by His name? Is doing that giving honor to His name?

Mal 2:1" And now this commandment is for you, O priests. If you do not listen, and if you do not take it to heart to give honor to My name," says the Lord of hosts, "then I will send the curse upon you and I will curse your blessings; and indeed, I have cursed them already, because you are not taking it to heart.

We call Him Jesus Christ because Jesus means God's salvation, but His name has always been "The Word of God" and He is not the Scriptures!! He is called "The Word of God" because He has the words of God! They belong to Him. The Spirit takes from what is His and speaks them to your spirit, so that the Word that we preach is found in our hearts and on our lips. That is the Word of God we are preaching, not the Bible. We are to use the Bible to preach the Word of God (Jesus Christ).

The Spirit once told me, "Karl, we don't use the Lord to preach the Bible, we use the Bible to preach the Lord." Yet people get that backwards often. They get zealous for their Bible instead of the Lord of lords and King of kings. They put their faith in their Bible instead of Jesus Christ. So many on that day will tell Him they cast out demons in His name, healed the sick in His name, and even prophesied in His name, but He will tell them that He never knew them. He doesn't lie. If they were seek Him, listening to Him, and having conversations with Him then they know each other. But if they know Him, who is it they are not telling people to seek Him, but rather are pointing people to the Bible and preaching it as the Word of God instead of Him.

I want people to know Him. It is a wise thing to seek Him. It is written that all those who seek find. He is just standing there knocking with His voice. Can we believe that?
Strawmen, setting up that which does not apply and then making your points as if they did.
Often reading and hearing is one thing...believing is another.
 
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Strawmen, setting up that which does not apply and then making your points as if they did.
Often reading and hearing is one thing...believing is another.

The Lord is no "strawman", and reading a book that He had written a few thousand years ago and actually knowing Him are not the same thing!! If someone really knows Him, they would know that.

It is nice that we have a record from people that knew Him in the past. There are things that can be learned from that record, but really there is only one truly important thing to learn from it! Jesus told Martha about it. He told Martha that truly there was only one thing important and Mary had chosen it, Mary had chosen to sit at the Lord's feet and listen to Him.

This is what I always find amazing in Christianity. We have the omni-present being, whose name is called The Word of God because He has the words of God, but we don't listen to Him. We don't get to know Him. Many want to learn about Him, so they read their Bible and study it, but they don't actually seek Him. They think that somehow reading a book about a person is the same thing as personally knowing Him. And the really strange thing is that the book was written to get them to listen to Him, which is what they are not willing to do. And it shows up in that they call the Book "The Word of God" and preach the Book, and try to convince themselves and others that knowing the Book is the same thing as knowing Him.

He is not a strawman and neither is He a man made of paper and ink. He is someone who will and does talk to you about all parts of your life. This morning I heard Him tell me to get my son up and ask him if he wanted to have breakfast with me. So I knocked on my sons door, per the instructions of my Lord, and it was a good thing I did. My son was supposed to coach an important soccer game this morning. He had just enough time to get ready and leave. I didn't know he had to get up for a game and right then, but apparently the Lord did.

Now someone who doesn't really know the Lord might ask 'Why didn't the Lord tell you to get you son up because he had to coach a game?" …. But that is why I started the thread. Isn't it nicer to get up with an offer for breakfast than to be gotten up by someone pointing out that you forgot your game? Of course it is. Yet what about someone who has been told over and over to listen to the Lord but refuses to do so? At some point the Lord is not going to be so nice about it. Indeed, at some point the Lord is going to say something like:

Ezk 3:27 but when I speak to you, I will open your mouth and you will say to them, 'Thus says the Lord God, He who hears, let him hear; and he who refuses, let him refuse, for they are a rebellious house'

Reading about the Lord and actually hearing Him talk to you are not the same thing, but He is the same today as He has always been.
 
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The Lord is no "strawman", and reading a book that He had written a few thousand years ago and actually knowing Him are not the same thing!! If someone really knows Him, they would know that.

It is nice that we have a record from people that knew Him in the past. There are things that can be learned from that record, but really there is only one truly important thing to learn from it! Jesus told Martha about it. He told Martha that truly there was only one thing important and Mary had chosen it, Mary had chosen to sit at the Lord's feet and listen to Him.

This is what I always find amazing in Christianity. We have the omni-present being, whose name is called The Word of God because He has the words of God, but we don't listen to Him. We don't get to know Him. Many want to learn about Him, so they read their Bible and study it, but they don't actually seek Him. They think that somehow reading a book about a person is the same thing as personally knowing Him. And the really strange thing is that the book was written to get them to listen to Him, which is what they are not willing to do. And it shows up in that they call the Book "The Word of God" and preach the Book, and try to convince themselves and others that knowing the Book is the same thing as knowing Him.

He is not a strawman and neither is He a man made of paper and ink. He is someone who will and does talk to you about all parts of your life. This morning I heard Him tell me to get my son up and ask him if he wanted to have breakfast with me. So I knocked on my sons door, per the instructions of my Lord, and it was a good thing I did. My son was supposed to coach an important soccer game this morning. He had just enough time to get ready and leave. I didn't know he had to get up for a game and right then, but apparently the Lord did.

Now someone who doesn't really know the Lord might ask 'Why didn't the Lord tell you to get you son up because he had to coach a game?" …. But that is why I started the thread. Isn't it nicer to get up with an offer for breakfast than to be gotten up by someone pointing out that you forgot your game? Of course it is. Yet what about someone who has been told over and over to listen to the Lord but refuses to do so? At some point the Lord is not going to be so nice about it. Indeed, at some point the Lord is going to say something like:

Ezk 3:27 but when I speak to you, I will open your mouth and you will say to them, 'Thus says the Lord God, He who hears, let him hear; and he who refuses, let him refuse, for they are a rebellious house'

Reading about the Lord and actually hearing Him talk to you are not the same thing, but He is the same today as He has always been.
You have your take, I have mine. I am not here to debate or persuade other Christians. I am here to help young or unstable Christians to get a firm footing in the faith. I find these 'go-arounds' are a colossal waste of time. Thanks for your opinions.
 
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Isn't He incredible. It really surprised me, when I got to know Him, how He really does do these weird and crazy things in the world we live in, but so many still can't see that He is there. It is written that He hold all things together with His hands and we can't understand the "all things" - do we understand what "all things" include? I love the testimony.

God said once
people often think, that "STEP" is some decision, that change life.
like what job accept, where to go study.
BUT ITS NOTHING LIKE THAT!
STEP - its every decision you make every day - adding salt, making soup or salad, wearing dress or jeans...
those are steps, that make you day,
those are steps, that make your way!
if I say - quiet voice that say -
turn left or turn right on your WAY, -
then I mean ON EVERY STEP YOU MAKE!
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just once He spoke with me in rhymes
 
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btw
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don't you see, that you both want same thing?
only, one like long stories as examples, other short and simple facts?
Thing is, that Father use both, with me, when He wants me to get whole picture.
Eha, I find people who are long winded with many words don't have an adequate grasp on their topic, hence many words lol.
 
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God said once
people often think, that "STEP" is some decision, that change life.
like what job accept, where to go study.
BUT ITS NOTHING LIKE THAT!
STEP - its every decision you make every day - adding salt, making soup or salad, wearing dress or jeans...
those are steps, that make you day,
those are steps, that make your way!
if I say - quiet voice that say -
turn left or turn right on your WAY, -
then I mean ON EVERY STEP YOU MAKE!
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just once He spoke with me in rhymes

Yeah - that is what it's like with Him, if you care to believe. It is written in the Scriptures that He guides your steps, yet we don't think that He can actually do that. The decision then is whether we are going to listen to Him as we go through the day or not.

It reminds me of this one time when I had a Christian book store, but it was very slow. I wasn't hearing from Him like I wanted on a particularly slow day, so I sat down and told the Lord I wanted to hear from Him and was going to wait on Him to tell me what step to take next. I waited for a few minutes then I heard Him tell me to put my right foot forward... then the left.. the right, the left, turn right, then the right foot and left foot and I realized He had me leaving the store. So I asked Him if I should lock the doors and He told me "No". So I asked Him where I was going and was told by Him that I was going to my car. Now I was thinking about not locking up the store and heading to my car? What was He up to?

I had just left the store when someone I knew came walking towards me with his bike. The bike had a flat tire and the man asked if I had any tools he could use to fix the tire with. I told the man, 'Yeah, I had my tools in my car.", which of course the Lord had me heading towards already. And the Lord's timing was perfect. I looked back on it and realized that He had to have also been the One who gave me the idea to sit down and seek Him in the first place. It was the only way the lesson, timing, and situation could have worked out like it did.

The Bible can tell you that He guides your steps but it can't guide your steps. He does that. The Bible also tells us to test the spirits, because He is not the only spirit out there, but we have to make it about seeking Him and what He wants to tell us. And people - He is not like you think! His thoughts are not your thoughts and His ways are not your ways. As high as the heavens are above the earth are His ways above your ways, so you have to seek Him, or how are you going to wind up being in the right place at the right time?
 
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just about this topic and what means for me "loose your life" - in tiny way. Our ways are indeed not He's way. Even, if I don't understand Him sometimes, i believe - He knows better :)
just little story

My dream was to have my own home and little forest. I always loved a forest, with all my heart. But Father told me, it won't be going to happen. He told me to let go my dream. I couldn't, until He explained, why. Then I agreed. Yet... I was very sad, even cried sometimes, that day too.
That day Father asked - is it really so important, what you own or are it more important what you love and can do? What do you love to do?
Me - farming, take care of forest...
He told me - but you still can do that! Offer someone yours help - for free. They may give you some apples or other fruits, as payment for yours work! You can do, which you love, that way, isn't it so?
....
What could I do without Him? I just don't imagine life without Father anymore. Always near, when I am lonely, always right words, when I am sad... Yes, of course, I can do that! And its most happiest moment, I had, for long time. Does it really matter, which you have or are it more important what you love and can do? How simple, how lovely are those words, because it really does not matter for me - is that forest mine or not, as far I can do, what I love and He knows that. I simply didn't see, that my hobby, what make my heart jump and give me most pleasure in this world, is just free and available, if I only want. Father told me, that I wont get house and forest, as mine, but never, that I cant enjoy that job anyway...

Now, few years later, I have my "hobby" just for 5 minutes from my house, for free and waiting - as i like and when i like to do it... And i have free apples :)

Thing is - i had to loose that dream, but God, Who i know, so HATE suffering, that after He waited me to calm down and accept this fact, and He saw that it still hurts me - He came, to wipe away my tears, forever.

Even we have to let go, some, in our lives - IF we trust Him: He knows the best - wiping tears IS Hes priority!
This is God, i know.
 
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Eha, I find people who are long winded with many words don't have an adequate grasp on their topic, hence many words lol.
If you are still thinking it is about us, you are still thinking wrong!!

It is written that you can tell a fool by the number of his words, but it is also written that God uses the foolish things of this world to confound the wise.

So if you think you are wise you have it all wrong!!! I know I use too many words so I seek the Lord and His words. Yet the person who thinks he is wise in his own eyes doesn't seek the Lord.

The topic is Jesus Christ, and you are never going to get a grasp on that topic!! The sooner you realize that they sooner you can get a grasp on the fact that you don't have the answers so you need to listen to Him. Real wisdom in the realization that wisdom is a person and not you!! The person of Wisdom is the Holy Spirit who speaks you your spirit, but who listens?

Prov 1:20 Wisdom shouts in the street, She lifts her voice in the square
Prov 1:2 Turn to my reproof, Behold, I will pour out my spirit on you, I will make by words known to you
Prov 2:6 For the Lord gives wisdom; From His mouth come knowledge and understanding

Have you still not figured out that the Lord Jesus Christ sends His Holy Spirit who speaks words to you spirit? Prov 2:6 Could read 'For the Lord gives the Spirit; From His mouth come knowledge and understanding.

Prov 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart and do not lean on your own understanding

So I try to point people to Him! Though it become clear they don't seek Him, or they would not worry about people having an "adequate grasp on their topic" Clearly people don't! Not others! Not you! Only God has a grasp on the topic! So if you are concerned with others having a grasp it is because you think that somehow you are other people do, which is the reason you don't seek the Lord.

Yet this is hard to explain to people who don't listen to Him.

Heb 5:11 Concerning him we have much to say, and it is hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing.

When you become like king Solomon, you will have a better grasp of what I am saying.

Ecc 7:23 I tested all this with wisdom, and I said, "I will be wise." but it was far from me.

When you understand the above verse you will understand that even knowing the Lord and listening to His wisdom is not going to make you wise, it is just going to enable you to understand that wisdom is what He says and not what you or others think!
 
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I wrote this thread " He isn't like I thought" because He is not like people think. I heard some preaching about Him, but nobody got Him explained correctly. He is love. He is awesome. Still, He is soo much more than we can describe. So I have come to one conclusion, and that is that people need to seek Him for themselves. He is not the only spirit around, but He is found if you seek Him just use some discernment. I do recommend reading the Bible, but I know He is going to tell you to do just that if you can read and have access to a Bible.

The first words He told me were "Ready Your Bible" but that just proved that He was not the Bible. He was the One who old me to read my Bible, and He talked to me about it, but that is only a very small part of anyone's life and He is involved in all things so people "Christians' making knowing the Lord about knowing your Bible have got is sooo wrong. Getting to know the Lord is much more like getting to know friend, or like getting to know the King, or like spending time with your Father, or getting to know the Wonderful Counselor.

So it is that I spend most of my time with the Lord talking about my business, my family, my needs, and the other things in my life. Yeah, I try to spend a little time talking with Him about the Bible on most days, but maybe ten minutes or so. I spend so much more time talking to Him about what I should work on today than some hidden secret in the Bible. And it occurs to me that everyone that truly knows Him and spends real time talking to Him is going to be that say also. Life is made up so much more than just reading the Bible so you time spent with Him would obviously also be made up so much more than just what's in the Bible. And the interesting thing is that when I do talk to Him He understands that better than I do. So often when I'm thinking He is going to talk to me about my Bible He wants to talk about my son's soccer team.

So my purpose is not so much to tell others all about Him but about Him. You are never going to understand all about Him, but if you want you can know Him personally. He really is there! You can hear from Him, if you seek Him with faith. He isn't like you think. He is love but He doesn't think like you. That is great because it helps you understand that He is not you. So ask Him a question and pay attention to what comes back to you and consider. It is as simply as going "Jesus Christ, what about …?" I suggest you make it something you are not too concerned about to begin with, otherwise your mind with be too concerned and not receptive enough, but the important part is seeking Him for the things in your life.
 
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Don't be paranoid. I had another individual in mind.
Who do we look to and why?

We should look to the Lord and that to improve ourselves!

So if I have advice for someone it must be to look to the Lord in order to improve yourself.

That is the advice I give myself, though I should be better at following it.

So if someone writes "Don't be paranoid" are they pointing people to the Lord?
And if they write "I had another individual in mind" was that other individual themselves?

When I write 'look to the Lord' I have another individual in mind, and it is myself. Writing that to others helps remind me to seek Him. We need to encourage each other to listen to the Lord everyday called "Today" don't we?

Heb 3:13 But encourage one another day after day, as long as it is still called "Today"...
 
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Who do we look to and why?

We should look to the Lord and that to improve ourselves!

So if I have advice for someone it must be to look to the Lord in order to improve yourself.

That is the advice I give myself, though I should be better at following it.

So if someone writes "Don't be paranoid" are they pointing people to the Lord?
And if they write "I had another individual in mind" was that other individual themselves?

When I write 'look to the Lord' I have another individual in mind, and it is myself. Writing that to others helps remind me to seek Him. We need to encourage each other to listen to the Lord everyday called "Today" don't we?

Heb 3:13 But encourage one another day after day, as long as it is still called "Today"...
Yes encouraging one another would be helpful instead of constantly challenging others.
 
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The OP is correct. The sheep hear his voice. Thats how you know. If you hear His voice don't harden your heart. I have heard his voice. I wish I could hear it more often, its rare that I do hear it. There are years in between hearing. It is the most comforting thing you can imagine.

Oh and no, he isn't what I thought he would be like at all haha.
That is awesome! I wish I hear him..... My mind makes up ocd voices myself like just now.. "yes .. I am Always here..."
but that was just me speaking i didn't hear a voice in or out of my head other than my own made up thoughts.. I wish he spoke to me.. I would know it was him because if I only heard his voice I would know I am not schizophrenic. And also schizophrenia could be demonic.. My uncle has it and talks of demons.. he could be right
 
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That is awesome! I wish I hear him..... My mind makes up ocd voices myself like just now.. "yes .. I am Always here..."
but that was just me speaking i didn't hear a voice in or out of my head other than my own made up thoughts.. I wish he spoke to me.. I would know it was him because if I only heard his voice I would know I am not schizophrenic. And also schizophrenia could be demonic.. My uncle has it and talks of demons.. he could be right

So you tell yourself that you are always there?

Doesn't really make much sense.

According to the Scriptures Jesus Christ stands at the door and knocks and if anyone hears His voice and opens the door He will come into them and eat with them and them with Him. (Rev 3:20) And one of the names He goes by is "I AM" So "I AM" is always there. If you ask Him you should hear "yes... I am Always here"

But then again the Spirit of God is not the only spirit. There is also that snake in the garden whose first words recorded were, "Did God really say" So that snake was a spirit of doubt!

So we have this question of faith in the Bible. Specifically it is a question of faith in Jesus Christ, whose name is called "The Word of God" (Rev 19:13) If we hear from Him do we believe it is Him or not?

Now if in fact the Bible is correct and He is standing there talking to us, but we are saying to ourselves that He is not, then by definition we don't believe in Him! Compare that to Gen 15

In Gen 15 we read that the word of the Lord came to Abram in a vision saying "Do nor fear, Abram, I am a shield to you..."

Do you see "I am" when you read that verse?

Then is verse 6 we read "Then he believed in the Lord; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness'

So there is a difference between the conclusion Abram reached and the conclusion water1997 reached!

One felt the "I am" was the Lord and the other felt the "I am" wasn't the Lord. One believed, according to the testimony given us and the other didn't believe, according to the testimony given us. And the one who didn't believe wrote something that sounded like, "Did God really say."

Now I ran into this in my life. I was cautious. I still am. Yet I also considered the possibility that God could exist. I did just tell myself 'that was just me speaking' but I considered what I was picking up. And I have been considering this for about 20 years now.

The conclusion I have reached from that careful consideration, and not just saying the everything thought that comes into my head is from me, is that absolutely God exists!!!

There is no doubt about it. The things I have seen from listening and considering have been incredible. Now at any moment, it could be my thoughts or it could be a spirit that is not God, but at some moments it could not have been my thoughts and it had to be God. I can't tell you the number of times I heard that a person had a problem like a bad stomach, Elbow, back, shoulder, etc... then check that information with the person to find out that it was true. I could not have know that information, and since I often prayed for that person in the name of Jesus and was told the problem went away, it had to be God. Not only could I have not have know, but I also could not have fixed the problem in the person.

So God is real, but who believes. And as for being 'schizophrenic', well that sound like something that happens if a person is listening to that snake and going back and forth between believing or not believing. It sounds like a person hearing a number of voices but unable to discern between spirits. At least that is how it sounds to me. Yeah, I hear voice too, but I don't fear like a person describing "schizophrenia" or demons. If I hear from demons I command them to go and ask the Lord to make sure they are gone. And there is something about the voice of the Lord which you have to like. There comes a peace, a confidence, wisdom, understanding, and things like that when you listen to Him. I still test the spirit, according to the tests provided in the Bible. (1 Jn 4:1-3 - 1 Cor 12:3), but with practice listening and considering you also get better at discerning between good and evil (Heb 5 :14)

So I have a Lord, who we like to call Jesus Christ, because He is our savior. He also has a name which is called "The Word of God", because He has always had the words of God for those who listen by faith. Although He is not the Scriptures but my Lord, because He is also called "I Am" not ' I was'.

So it is that I have reached a different conclusion than the person writing 'if only I heard His voice'. I have reached the conclusion of Abram, of Moses, of David, of the prophets of Old, of John, of Peter, and of Paul. I have concluded that "I Am" is there. That He can and does talk to me. But I don't go around talking to demons. Why would a person do that. Send them on their way.

Now I have explained this thoroughly, and I have to get going because the Lord has given me a business to run. I need to talk to Him about how best to run it, because it is also written to seek first the Kingdom of God and all that I need will be given to me. And people need to decide whether they are going to believe in Jesus Christ or not? It's their choice.
 
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I would know it was him because if I only heard his voice I would know I am not schizophrenic.
I understood, that thoughts in my head weren't mine, when I started to argue with those "thoughts" and turns out - those strange thoughts were right.
It was first time, when I stand up, frightened and asked myself - with who I was talking with?
But forgot it just minutes later.
When it happened next time, I asked - who is talking with me?
I laughed at myself that moment and felt so stupid, until next moment...
So — ask yourself — could I know it?
And what makes Lord sad - He IS speaking with everyone, not just christians, every day.

Zechariah 7:11
But they refused to pay attention and turned a stubborn shoulder and stopped their ears that they might not hear.

Christians will know, Who is talking, non-believers say " I have good instincts..."

some tips:
He will wait, until you stop thinking — it was not easy for me — to not think for a while, but it is now my normal habits, all you need is training yourself.

Job 33:31
Pay attention, O Job, listen to me; be silent, and I will speak.

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BTW - 3 doctors try to prove, that i'm schizophrenic. And in the end, they had to admit "normal." :)
 
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