I can say the same thing for testing for sexual compatibility. Do you have to test partners before marriage to see if you are sexually compatible? No of course not, that is unbiblical. So too with love, just because there is only one partner does not mean they can't experience love. Many parents only have one child that does not mean they don't love them.
yeah that is true. She was from him. But even if she was an entirely separate person all together. God knows what He is doing, HE CREATED SEX FOR PLEASURE! He could have made us just split and multiply like a cell does. Replicate ones self. But made them man and woman to indicate a form of what would later happen with Christ and the Church. He knows what He is doing when it comes to love. He made a perfect help meet, on that He could emotionally and physically love. And for Him not to would be somewhat against the pre sin theological environment.
There is no evidence that Adam was a leader of Eve before God proclaimed that men will rule over women.
well there was no physical sin until he not only entertained the thought but also did it physically speaking. While yes thoughts can be sin, in the case of the fall it was not until they actually ate of it that the fall occurred. So while yes I believe adam did it on purpose, knowing full well that is wrong, perhaps he put off by the fact that eve ate and didn't die right away. But I tend to think that adam knew God would punish eve so part of the motivate for eating was to be like eve, but also to be with eve just in case God did punish her with death eventually. He wanted to be with her in the transgression. We are like that today. Many times when someone leaves the church, they do so in groups. Or if there is a church split, usually it's more than one family, usually it's a host of families. We have this group think mentality. But as far as adam I believe at least part of his motive to eat was that he wanted to be with eve, and if she died, he would rather go with her that be without her. But I don't think that was the whole motive, I think part of it was the fact that she ate, and came over to him and was like...."It's good to eat, check it out?" But God no doubt delayed the inevitable to test both of them to see if they would do the right thing, and they didn't. So yes it's sin, even if done for love. I have mentioned before that I lost my virginity to a girl while I was in a college and career group at my church, her husband cheated on her and left her, and I thought there was no better way to show my love than to give that part of my life to her. And boy was I wrong. Sin is always wrong by the way. I knew I was wrong, but I did it anyway. And she boasted about it to my friends and to the entire group. I was in leadership and in ministry at the time. Then months later she dumped me completely, after refusing to say yes to my proposal for marriage. So I understand sinning for love. It's not justifiable even if done for love. We are to love the Lord above all, we are not to love others more than God. But love God first, obey Him and then love others as a result. So I think adam did something like that.
again not to love her you have theological error, to be disconent with what God gave is a sin. The Bible says "godliness with contentment" is great gain. meaning that contentment in God will, for better or worse is part of being holy and if it's part of being holy it's good. So I think He was content. Again if God made sex for pleasure, as opposed to making us just big cells that reproduced by splitting in half like a cell. But created us for relations with the opposite sex. For him to NOT want that, again does not make theological sense to me. Because again you have the programmer who knows what love is, and knows how to make love happen, he made both pieces of the hardware, but forgot to load the software with love? makes no sense.
Well not so fast. AGain we don't know if it was days or weeks, or years, in fact it could have been in an eternal realm all together at this point. Also God could have made eve not fertile until the fall when now His perfect will changed into His permissive will which involved the "seed of the woman." See before the fall, the seed of the woman was not needed. Child birth was actually labelled a curse. And while blessings come from it, it is still a curse to this day.
I know that women don't view sex the same way. But let me say this....men have sex to make love, and women give sex to have love. I don't know if I said that right. But a male has sex and it's sort of his "love language." While a woman gives sex for the resultant love that the man gives as a result. So while yes the outcome is the same, the way of getting the love is different.
Again we are talking about male love here, not female love. The question was "did adam love eve." not the other way around. For a man, if a woman doesn't argue with him over silly stuff, and doesn't talk his ear off, and has sex with Him regularly......he is fairly content and love flows fairly naturally for him. I know that sounds really shallow and some may disagree, but I tend to think most wont. Again sex is mans love language. Later in life a males sex drive decreases yes, but that does not mean he don't think about it every day. That's because it's his love language. For a woman it's different like I said.
I am reminded of a married couple sitting before a pastor in marriage counselling and the pastor says, "why are you fighting?" And each one points the finger at the other person. It's not that love was absent it's that fear was present. A pastor is in front of us asking probing personal questions! I think it was sort of like that. Adam was under pressure to have an answer, and yes it was sort of true that God gave Him eve, so yes, under the bus she went. But I don't think his love was in question, I think it was about who was asking the questions moreso, than them personally. Imagine God himself asking you, "why did you sin in such a way?" The first thing we do is try to justify ourself. I would do it instantly, I think we all would, because a Holy and perfect being is asking personal probing questions and your a little nervous.
All accounts are that Adam loved the Lord God who made Him too, but God is judging Satan and his minions for murder in God's Infinite Realm where justice is being served; so Adam can be restored to his infinite state being raised from the dead.
Some dangerous teaching here, but you are certainly free to form your own oppinions about this. I dissagree more than I agree with points made here, I am not sure however that I will have time to reply. But things like "the tree contained all seed from previous generations" sounds like a new age /mystic interpretation of scripture. However if you feel inclined to get more replies I would at least attempt to find some sources to your viewpoint. Chuck missler was the first teacher I know of to suggest adam loved eve in the transgression. I am sure I can find more too. But I doubt you will find any seminaries that agree with you, or even popular bible teachers. Remember in biblical interpretations, if it's new. It's not true. If it's true it's not new. In other words basic doctrines such as the trinity can be traced way back to the church fathers, it's not a new doctrine. So I must ask where or how did you come across this "new" doctrine?Hi Created:
Thank you for starting this topic. You wrote:
Let's begin with some background information to help readers gather sufficient evidence for drawing informed conclusions about Adam and Eve. Your quoted verse from Paul to the Romans says, "...sin came into the world through one man...". Let's revisit how God created "man" in Genesis 1 [my notes]:
The purpose presenting these verses and notes is to help readers see that God made "man" as male (spirit witness), female (water witness, helper) and offspring (blood witness). This is the same trinity image of The Almighty from Revelation 1:8 also having three witnesses of spirit (God To Come), water (God Who Was), and blood (God Who is) who happens to be "God" speaking to God Who Was and God To Come in this passage. So, in support of your OP explanation (using Romans 5:12), sin entered the world (race: kosmos #2889 definition#5) through one "man" representing the Garden male + female pair. However, the key is connected to the "transgression" based upon the woman being beguiled and "glory" assigned by God:
Since Paul by the Holy Spirit assigns "transgression" to Eve saying, "it was not Adam who was deceived," then God appears to be assigning sin guilt and responsibility to the woman side of the Garden-pair equation. Then we see the "glory" aspect:
The woman prays with a covering over her head to represent the "veil" (like the First Veil of the Temple) that divides the earth from heaven in the same way that a veil divides heaven from the heavens (because of the angels) where the angels dwell. The man is the spirit witness over his wife that is the water witness/helper, which was the relationship of Adam and Eve even 'before' the Fall; accentuated 'after' the Fall. Men are therefore wise to see their wives as the "weaker vessel" (1Peter 3:7) in keeping with reasoning by the Holy Spirit that says simply, "...since she is a woman...".
Amen. The next point concerns a correlation between the woman's "transgression" from 1Timothy 2 above and Israel's "transgression" from Romans 11:
The point here is that God used Israel's "transgression," and their rejection of the "Gospel of the Kingdom" (gospel #1 in my OP) to bring salvation to the Gentiles through raising Paul and sending our "Gospel of the Grace of God" (Acts 20:24). The larger lesson is that God already knew that Eve would be beguiled by the serpent in the Garden, which had to happen for the Garden pair to be ejected from driven from the "heavenly" Garden to the "earthly" counterpart in the Euphrates Basin. Note that there is no "seed/offspring" from Adam and Eve in Genesis 2 nor in Genesis 3 either, until they are placed in human "skins" in Genesis 3:21 where the previous verse says Eve is mother of "all living." Before you begin shouting at your screens reading this reply, consider that we are doing things already done and that there is nothing new under the sun:
The bottom line here is that Eve was sure to transgress with the same certainty that darkness and void was upon the face of the deep in Genesis 1:2. The Satanic Rebellion took place in God's Infinite Realm where "you are gods" (Ps. 82:6, John 10:34-36), which is where Adam was murdered that produced the need to create Heaven and Earth (Gen. 1:1) in the first place. God knew about Eve's transgression and sin entering the seventh-day races long before Heaven and Earth were ever created, which is the case for Israel's rejection of the Gospel of the Kingdom, John's beheading, Christ's crucifixion, and our Body of Christ being raised in great glory, so on and so forth.
We disagree. Adam was doomed to be booted out of the heavenly Garden to the earthly Garden from the day the Lord God made him in Genesis 2:7, because he was doing things already done in Heaven and in the Infinite Realm.
Credit Terral Croft, The Mystery Explained, Nov. 2017 Page 17
Take the first verse of the Bible and identify the three realms that include God (spirit witness), Heaven (blood witness), and Earth (water witness).
Credit Terral Croft, The Mystery Explained, Nov. 2017 Page 320
Break the original three witnesses down into their corresponding realms and you get the Kingdom of God (Infinite Realm, Fig. 1), the Kingdom of His Beloved Son (Fig. 2), and the Kingdom of this World (Fig. 3) that contains "Our Earth." The Kingdom of God in Figure 1 is the only realm that is "real," where the Heaven and Earth are "created" for the sole purpose of "judgment" (Heb. 9:27). We are here as either victims (sons of righteousness) or perpetrators (sons of disobedience) being separated like sheep from goats, wheat from tares, so on and so forth, with the bad guys going into the lake of fire. In short, we are doing things on "Our Earth" right now that have already been done in Heaven (ongoing battle between Michael and the Dragon) and originally done in God's Infinite Realm.
All accounts are that Adam loved the Lord God who made Him too, but God is judging Satan and his minions for murder in God's Infinite Realm where justice is being served; so Adam can be restored to his infinite state being raised from the dead.
We disagree, but you appear to be on the right track:
Adam did exactly what God ordained from start to finish being called according to God's purpose, which is to restore Adam and all the members of his body one member at a time throughout all the ages to come. In all the ages and ages for the Heaven and Earth, God's Infinite Realm will be frozen motionless from our tiny perspectives. All the time from all the ages will pass in the flicker of a single instant from our Infinite Realm perspectives, so that God appears to raise Adam's infinite body up instantly. At the same time, Satan is the one beheaded and thrown into the lake of fire within created Heaven realms ensuring he is "cut off" from the Infinite Realm permanently.
The tree in the center of the heavenly Garden contains the seed (good and bad) from all the generations of men ever to be born. Eve by necessity had to eat of the fruit to obtain the seed for producing the generations of "your seed" (devil's children) and "her seed" (righteous branch) that produced Cain and Able in Genesis 4. Adam is representative of all the angels, while Eve is representative of "all living," i.e, physical hosts in this physical universe. Take the woman and put her back inside the man and then put the man back inside the angel and you have a living soul like Adam in Gen. 2:7. That is why we (body of Christ) judge the "world" and the "angels" (1Cor. 6:2-3), because they are two halves of the same living soul (triune), just like The Almighty speaking in Genesis 1:26-28. ;0)
Blessings,
Terral
