I am stuck thinking I need to prove faith to Evolutionists, when the Bible says "they're deluded"

Gottservant said:

If God is willing that more time be given, that a species perfect its adaptations - so be it!

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This is not at all found in Scripture, God's Plan, or His Purpose Revealed in and through Christ Jesus -

JESUS IS OUR HOPE, and OUR SALVATION! there is none other.

According to who ?

Gottservant said:

That's the truth.

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Asking from who ?

Gottservant said:

That's what I am asking for.

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Nothing is required at all to evolve, ever.
i.e. there has been no need ever to evolve.

Gottservant said:

There is less that can evolve at the end of a song, than at its start.

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yeshuaslavejeff said:

Nothing is required at all to evolve, ever.

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Mutation. Without mutation, no evolution.

i.e. there has been no need ever to evolve.

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That happens constantly. For example, Tibetans needed to evolve to living at extreme altitudes. And so they have. Lizards transported to a new island in the Adriatic sea needed to evolve to survive in the new conditions. And so they did.

No point in denying the fact.

The Barbarian said:

Mutation. Without mutation, no evolution.



That happens constantly. For example, Tibetans needed to evolve to living at extreme altitudes. And so they have. Lizards transported to a new island in the Adriatic sea needed to evolve to survive in the new conditions. And so they did.

No point in denying the fact.

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With and without mutation, no evolution (by fleshly definitions the world uses) , ever, happens (nothing is as it seems).

The changes to survive are normal processes, natural processes, present as Yahweh Created them, not at all related to the world's evolution.

Gottservant said:

But God has hope and we should rest in Him.

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God has the speed and location of every electron in the Cosmos
planned and He executes His plan moment to moment.
Yes, species change. It's the core message of scripture.

You can't make the effort to treat other people the way you'd want to be
treated, if you're already doing that. The message is to change.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

With and without mutation, no evolution (by fleshly definitions the world uses) , ever, happens (nothing is as it seems).

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Observably, it does. Remember what evolution is. "Descent with modification" as Darwin formulated it. Or more precisely, "A change in allele frequencies in a population over time." And we see that constantly. Most creationists don't know what "evolution" means in biology, and often confuse it with agencies of evolution, like natural selection, or consequences of evolution, like common descent.

The changes to survive are normal processes, natural processes, present as Yahweh Created them

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That's what this world's biological evolution is. And now you know.

Gottservant said:

So tell me how it works?

If I become another species, all my mutations up to that point have to be reassigned? is that it? or they still serve as mutations because they have a diminished but significant role?

I suppose you could say the mutations will mutate?

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. YOU won’t become another species. Populations evolve not individuals. IF you have offspring they might carry mutations to your germ line or they might not . If you’re asking what humans will evolve into, at a very rough guess id say we’ll lose our little toes but that’s about as far as I’m willing to speculate.

Gottservant said:

I think the thing is, if I could evolve a freckle

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Individuals don't evolve. Populations do. A freckle appearing on your skin is just a physiological process that's already part of your genome

'and someone with freckles might come to like me and my freckle: would God not expect me to develop that freckle, so that the person with freckles might hear the Gospel?

Is that not how it works?

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And Poe's law comes into play here. I don't mean to insult your intelligence; I'm pretty sure you're joking, but I've had creationists ask this kind of thing for real.

I am new here. This is my first post. Something about it drew me to here. I think everyone is forgetting something or choosing to ignore it. God is a living God. He is constantly revealing his truth to us. Both his truth and his presence are infinite. Humans cannot comprehend infinity. It stands to reason, then, that God will be revealing his infinite truth to us for eternity. Evolution is, quite likely, another piece of a very large puzzle. So many of us pray for understanding, but when God grants us understanding, we reject it in favor of our narrow picture of reality. God is reality. If this is true, then reality is also infinite. We cannot possibly understand it all. We will always be searching for answers. All answers are in God. Evolution is part of that Creation. Moses described it with the best tools he had available to him. As we have learned, God has equipped us with better tools. He has revealed more of himself to us, just as he revealed himself to the prophets that came before us. The Word of God is not complete. It will never be complete. It simply is, and we must strive to understand it. In that journey, we also strive to be like Him.

Thomas White said:

All answers are in God. Evolution is part of that Creation. Moses described it with the best tools he had available to him. As we have learned, God has equipped us with better tools. He has revealed more of himself to us, just as he revealed himself to the prophets that came before us. The Word of God is not complete. It will never be complete. It simply is, and we must strive to understand it. In that journey, we also strive to be like Him.

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And we have today's winner.

Thomas White said:

Evolution is part of that Creation.

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Or it is part of the curse.

LoG said:

Or it is part of the curse.

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Would a curse make animals more fit to live in their environment? I'm thinking not.

The Barbarian said:

Would a curse make animals more fit to live in their environment? I'm thinking not.

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No, I would agree that it wouldn't. Likely what 2 Corinthians is talking about:

20For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but because of the One who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.

Mutations would be a type of decay I would venture.

LoG said:

No, I would agree that it wouldn't. Likely what 2 Corinthians is talking about:

20For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but because of the One who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.

Mutations would be a type of decay I would venture.

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Adaptation is not decay. It is perseverance, very nearly the opposite of decay. Organisms can have positive and negative mutations. For some reason, when society thinks of mutations, they only reference negative results.

Statistics seem to be pointing out that since the Fall, the extinction rates are increasing up to the present. Beneficial mutations then are not giving species the ability to adapt fast enough to keep up.