Flat earth takedown

pitabread said:

This response only reinforces everything I've been saying.

1) You're implying the UN and/or WHO is part of some sort of FE conspiracy. Which is all FE really is, just another conspiracy theory.

2) Your best example of FE application is a logo. If that's the best you can come up with, that's really sad.

3) The claim that the UN logo is based on FE isn't even true to begin with. You can read more about the logo here: UN Logo and Flag

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https://www.un.org/en/sections/about-un/un-logo-and-flag/index.html

I could see your points, if they weren't rooted in the lie that the globe is real. But it isn't, so, your foundation is flawed.

4) Your claim that "Funny thing about the various flat earth maps, they are still closer to reality than any globe" is still completely invalidated by the lack of FE cartography industry. If your claim was true, FE would be a self-funded industry in the billions of dollars. So why isn't it? Why is FE little more than a fringe conspiracy theory?

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There's just too much dumb here to cover. Sorry, I have no idea where to even begin.

pitabread said:

Except you won't. One aspect of the Flat Earth movement is a complete lack of any experts in any field who support FE.

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Ok. Not true. But you can go with that all you want.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

I thought you were the one with all the answers. I mean, you did say that you aren't a fool like everyone else.

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1. Never claimed to have all the answers.

2. You all do look foolish when you argue against the flat earth as a concept which you obviously have no understanding about, but I never said anything everyone is a fool but me.

HitchSlap said:

Lemme guess, you don't think we went to the moon, either?

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That's kind of one of those gateway lies. If you can't see beyond that obvious fake, then flat earth is currently way beyond your ability to understand.

Jimmy D said:

A flat Earth map does not work at all. When you attempt to work out distances between specific places, travel times etc it fails so abysmally that FEers have to fall back on idiotic conspiracies.

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No. Sorry. That's a lie you've been told.

Michael said:

I don't even grasp how a flat earth proponent could explain why it's daylight on the other side of the planet (China) when it's the middle of the night on this side of the planet (California). How does that work? Wouldn't it necessarily have to be "dark" everywhere at the same time on a flat disk, at least for some period of time? It seems like a simple internet enabled camera "test" would blow the flat earth model out of the water.

https://www.webcamtaxi.com/en/china/hubei-province/wuhan-leishenshan-hospital.html
https://www.webcamtaxi.com/en/russia/saint-petersburg/prospekt-nauki.html
https://www.webcamtaxi.com/en/usa/california/san-diego-mission-beach-boardwalk.html

The whole concept of a worldwide conspiracy sounds utterly preposterous. Who even seriously promotes that model?

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No it wouldn't have to be dark everywhere at the same time. Flat Earth 101, educate yourself.

Funny how I had to be the one to give Michael the FE explanation for how the sun works. Perhaps the flat earthers themselves realize how ridiculous it sounds and don't want to repeat it.

(In before they accuse me of misrepresenting it).

SeventyOne said:

I could see your points, if they weren't rooted in the lie that the globe is real. But it isn't, so, your foundation is flawed.

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Complete non-sequitur response.

There's just too much dumb here to cover. Sorry, I have no idea where to even begin.

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Glib dismissals is all I've come to expect from alleged FE proponents. We both know you wouldn't be able to address this even if you tried.

SeventyOne said:

Flat Earth 101, educate yourself.

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Don't you mean de-educate?

SeventyOne said:

Ok. Not true. But you can go with that all you want.

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Name an expert in a relevant field who also believes in FE.

SeventyOne said:

No. Sorry. That's a lie you've been told.

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Look at the UN map. Then look at flight times. The longest commercial flight, at the moment, is Perth to London. It takes 17.5 hours. Sydney to Santiago takes just 12.5 hours.

Please explain how that works with the UN's map.

Bungle_Bear said:

Please explain how that works with the UN's map.

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Time travel. Obviously.

pitabread said:

Time travel. Obviously.

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Huh. I've flown Sydney-Los Angeles, 14 hours. I've also done the Sydney-Santiago trip. It makes absolutely zero sense using that FE map. My guess is @SeventyOne will avoid answering, just as he has avoided addressing my criticisms of the vacuum "experiment". A simple "you're just ignorant" is the best explanation I'm expecting, if I get any explanation at all.

SeventyOne said:

1. Never claimed to have all the answers.

2. You all do look foolish when you argue against the flat earth as a concept which you obviously have no understanding about, but I never said anything everyone is a fool but me.

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The question I have about the flat Earth which never seems to get answered is, why? If the Earth is really flat and scientists are involved in a vast conspiracy to cover it up, what motivates them? Conspiracies are a lot of work. Why should they bother?

pitabread said:

Name an expert in a relevant field who also believes in FE.

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It's really a weird loop, when you think about it, even as conspiracy theories go. Climate deniers at least have some experts who support them. They have papers they like to point to. Science that they think works in their favor. Oh, sure, it might be dubious, but it's there. Same with creationists - they cling to the few experts who tell them what they want to hear, look for any science they think bolsters their ideas. Even truthers will put stock in engineers and such. They're not so much against listening to experts, they just want to listen to experts who agree with them.

Flat Earthers have none of that. There's no Flat Earth research outlet. They don't have anything like AIG or any real organization to put money behind their ideas. There are groups, sure, but there's nothing with any real weight behind it.

But somehow, that reinforces the movement. The experts are all in on, so the fewer experts they have, the better off they are. It's like the ultimate way to feel smarter than everyone else, without going to the trouble of actually doing anything that would typically be required for that.

Here is another example why the Earth isn't flat.
Why this is even being discussed in a SF in the 21st century is perplexing.

The interferometer arms for LIGO's gravitational wave detectors are 4km long.
Over a 4km distance the Earth is curved around 1 metre.
The Earth's curvature was taken into account when pouring the concrete and levelling.
If the Earth's curvature wasn't considered the lasers would have missed the mirrors!!

This is not a local topography issue as both Hanford and Livingston detectors were constructed to the same parameters.

Speedwell said:

The question I have about the flat Earth which never seems to get answered is, why? If the Earth is really flat and scientists are involved in a vast conspiracy to cover it up, what motivates them?

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The typical response I get - at least on this site - is that it's the Devil, in some shape or form, and that the Powers That Be are keeping it under wraps because they don't want to deal with the fallout from such a massive revelation, and because it would mean that evolution was false and the world would know for certain that God was real - this, of course, ignores a lot of details, but whatever. From there, you get into a lot of One World Government, Illuminati stuff.

sjastro said:

Here is another example why the Earth isn't flat.
Why this is even being discussed in a SF in the 21st century is perplexing.

The interferometer arms for LIGO's gravitational wave detectors are 4km long.
Over a 4km distance the Earth is curved around 1 metre.
The Earth's curvature was taken into account when pouring the concrete and levelling.
If the Earth's curvature wasn't considered the lasers would have missed the mirrors!!

This is not a local topography issue as both Hanford and Livingston detectors were constructed to the same parameters.

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But, see, that was done by experts. Flat Earthers don't trust experts - they typically just assume they're lying, unless they say something they think supports their beliefs.

lasthero said:

The typical response I get - at least on this site - is that it's the Devil, in some shape or form, and that the Powers That Be are keeping it under wraps because they don't want to deal with the fallout from such a massive revelation, and because it would mean that evolution was false and the world would know for certain that God was real - this, of course, ignores a lot of details, but whatever. From there, you get into a lot of One World Government, Illuminati stuff.

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But the Earth is flat or it's round. God could have created it either way, so it's nothing to do with the existence of God (or evolution???). The Earth as a flat disc was once a popular belief--in the ANE, for example--but early astronomers and others began to teach that it was round. Why did they even start doing that? What was the point, if it really isn't?

Speedwell said:

The question I have about the flat Earth which never seems to get answered is, why? If the Earth is really flat and scientists are involved in a vast conspiracy to cover it up, what motivates them? Conspiracies are a lot of work. Why should they bother?

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In order to discredit Christianity and the Bible.

But considering that, as pointed out earlier in the thread, there are nearly 3 billion Christians in the world, they're not doing a very good job.

If I was in charge of a millennia - old conspiracy that controlled every nation and had unlimited resources, and my goal was to lead people away from Christ, I know exactly what I would do.

Step 1: Forge ancient Roman records showing that the authorities regarded Jesus as a crazy cult leader during His lifetime
Step 2: Forge records showing that He was crucified under Pontius Pilate, and stayed dead.
Step 3: Forge records showing that, after His death, His followers made up a bunch of wild stories about the resurrection and miracles
Step 4: Create a false tomb, matching the one described in the NT, with a large rock in front of it (unmoved), and put a body in there from the right time period, matching the description and characteristics of Jesus Christ, complete with Roman records that it was His tomb. Get archaeologists to 'discover' it and proclaim the discovery all over the world. If Jesus died and never resurrected, the very core of Christianity is destroyed.

Doing such a thing would be trivially easy for an organization of the scale and capabilities attributed to the 'round earth conspiracy'. Yet apparently they never thought of this.