Can we eat pork, shellfish and crustaceans? And what about blood in meat?

Al Touthentop · Feb 5, 2020

HARK! said:
Then why do you make arguments contrary to what was translated?

I don't. Don't be mad. God made everything clean through the flood and told Noah it was all given to him to eat, even the reptiles.

HARK! · Feb 5, 2020

Al Touthentop said:
I don't. Don't be mad. God made everything clean through the flood and told Noah it was all given to him to eat, even the reptiles.

That's not what your translation of that verse says. Your translation says reptiles.

Al Touthentop · Feb 5, 2020

HARK! said:
That's not what your translation of that verse says. Your translation says reptiles.

It's not my translation. It's the translation used by every author of the new testament. It's the translation Jesus used at the synagogue in Nazareth also.

So you agree then that God told Noah he could eat animals which were formerly unclean?

Al Touthentop · Feb 5, 2020

Dkh587 said:
your whole argument is moot because God gave Noah specific plants for food - the way God gave Noah specific plants for food is the same way that God gave him permission to eat specific animals.

We know that God did not give all animals to Noah for food because he did not give all plants to Noah for food.

The Septuagint says that God gave Noah even the reptiles to eat. You can keep saying he gave him plants but his use of that phrase was as a comparison. He said that he gave Noah every creeping things, even the reptiles "as the green herbs." In other words all animals could be eaten, even birds and reptiles which formerly were off limits and later under the law of Moses would be off limits again.

HARK! · Feb 5, 2020

Al Touthentop said:
So you agree then that God told Noah he could eat animals which were formerly unclean?

No. All that I agree to, is that your translation says, that god said, that it's OK to eat reptiles.

Al Touthentop · Feb 5, 2020

HARK! said:
No. All that I agree to, is that your translation says, that god said, that it's OK to eat reptiles.

And they later were forbidden under the law of Moses. Do you sacrifice animals to remove sin?

HARK! · Feb 5, 2020

Al Touthentop said:
And they later were forbidden under the law of Moses. Do you sacrifice animals to remove sin?

Can you show me the law that says I should?

Dkh587 · Feb 5, 2020

Al Touthentop said:
Baloney. And Paul tells us that Peter ate unclean animals and 'lived as a Gentile' when he wasn't around his Jewish friends. God rebuked Peter for refusing to take from the animals offered, he did not tell him he was correct. He said that everything that was lowered down to him was cleansed and therefore appropriate for him to eat.

Peter didn’t say that in Acts 10:28. You are lying on Peter.

this is what Peter said:

Acts 10:28

God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

Maybe there’s a verse I’m missing where Peter said that “everything lowered to him was cleansed”?

Dkh587 · Feb 5, 2020

Al Touthentop said:
The Septuagint says that God gave Noah even the reptiles to eat. You can keep saying he gave him plants but his use of that phrase was as a comparison. He said that he gave Noah every creeping things, even the reptiles "as the green herbs." In other words all animals could be eaten, even birds and reptiles which formerly were off limits and later under the law of Moses would be off limits again.

God compared giving Noah animals to
How he gave him the green plants - he didn’t give all green plants to Noah for food. Thus, we know that he didn’t approve of Noah eating all animals. It’s actually quite simple.

BobRyan · Feb 7, 2020

Al Touthentop said:
I don't. Don't be mad. God made everything clean through the flood and told Noah it was all given to him to eat, even the reptiles.

Noah could not eat poison ivy -- and neither can we... as we all know.

And Lev 11 God tells us "what is for food".

39 ‘Also if one of the animals dies which you have for food, the one who touches its carcass becomes unclean until evening.

34 Any of the food which may be eaten, on which water comes, shall become unclean, and any liquid which may be drunk in every vessel shall become unclean. 35 Everything, moreover, on which part of their carcass may fall becomes unclean;

Diseased animals even if "clean" are by the fact of disease - also "not for food".

HARK! · Feb 7, 2020

BobRyan said:
Noah could not eat poison ivy -- and neither can we... as we all know.

Can You Eat Poison Ivy?

Al Touthentop · Feb 7, 2020

BobRyan said:
Noah could not eat poison ivy -- and neither can we... as we all know.

And Lev 11 God tells us "what is for food".

Poison ivy isn't mentioned in Leviticus. But by your logic, nobody before Moses knew what was for food. Unclean animals were reintroduced under the law of Moses. Prior to that, after the flood, all animals were allowed to be eaten.

Diseased animals even if "clean" are by the fact of disease - also "not for food".

Which is part of the law of Moses which has been abolished. And if you think we are under the law of Moses, then we also must sacrifice animals for atonement of sin. And this requires that a Levite priest offer the sacrifice for you. When is the last time you did that?

HARK! · Feb 7, 2020

Al Touthentop said:
And if you think we are under the law of Moses, then we also must sacrifice animals for atonement of sin.

You have still failed to show proof of this in scripture.

Al Touthentop said:
And this requires that a Levite priest offer the sacrifice for you. When is the last time you did that?

Who is Yahshua?

Al Touthentop · Feb 7, 2020

HARK! said:
You have still failed to show proof of this in scripture.

I've already showed this to you. You just mean you don't accept it. Find.

Who is Yahshua?

I'll answer your question when you answer mine.

HARK! · Feb 7, 2020

Al Touthentop said:
I'll answer your question when you answer mine.

I did. You just mean you don't understand the answer.

Bob S · Feb 8, 2020

Yahshua is a proposed transliteration of the original Hebrew name of the Messiah (Hebrew: יהושע), also referred to in modern times as Jesus. The name means Yahweh (Yah) is salvation (Shua).
What I cannot understand is why some make a big deal out of using Hebrew names for Messiah and the Father. Do you think the remainder of us are sinning because we call the Word made flesh Jesus? Is calling Messiah Jesus some sort of a dirty word in your minds?

HARK! · Feb 8, 2020

Bob S said:
Yahshua is a proposed transliteration of the original Hebrew name of the Messiah (Hebrew: יהושע), also referred to in modern times as Jesus. The name means Yahweh (Yah) is salvation (Shua).
What I cannot understand is why some make a big deal out of using Hebrew names for Messiah and the Father. Do you think the remainder of us are sinning because we call the Word made flesh Jesus? Is calling Messiah Jesus some sort of a dirty word in your minds?

Exodus 3

15 Elohim, furthermore, said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ' YHWH, the Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac, and the Elohim of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name FOREVER, and this is My memorial-name to all generations.-

Psalms 105:1 O give thanks unto YHWH; call upon his name: make known his deeds among the people.

Psalm 20:7
Some trust in chariots, and some in horses: but we will remember the name YHWH our Elohim.

John 5:43 King James Version (KJV)
43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Bob S · Feb 8, 2020

You didn't answer my question. Do you believe we are sinning when we use the word Jesus for Messiah?

HARK! · Feb 8, 2020

Bob S said:
You didn't answer my question. Do you believe we are sinning when we use the word Jesus for Messiah?

What I believe has no bearing on your relationship with our heavenly Father. That is between you and our heavenly Father. As you understand Yahshua proclaims Yah's salvation for us.

YesheYahu (Isa) 43:
11 I, even I, am YHWH; and beside Me there is no savior

Yahshua brings glory to YHWH. We are called to follow Yahshua's example.

John 17:1-9
17:1 After Yahshua said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: “Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Yahshua Messiah, whom you have sent. 4 I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. 6 “I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word. 7 Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you. 8 For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me.

Yahshua came in his heavenly Father's name.

(CLV) Jn 5:43
I have come in the name of My Father, and you are not getting Me. If another should be coming in his own name, him you will get.

Yahshua's name was given by YHWH. Yahshua's name has meaning.

Matt 1:20-21
20 But after he had considered this, an angel of Yahweh appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. 21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Yahshua, because he will save his people from their sins.

Acts 4:12
12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”

I choose to give our heavenly Father all of the glory he deserves.

Dkh587 · Feb 9, 2020

Bob S said:
You didn't answer my question. Do you believe we are sinning when we use the word Jesus for Messiah?

Is it not weird to you that nobody knew the name Jesus 600 years ago?

I don’t think it’s a sin, just incorrect. That name didn’t even exist until recently.

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