His kingdom come, His will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
What are we saved from in this context?
In my view...you know why...if any man be in Christ He is A new creation ......?
Amen.
Of course. If we walk with God, we can fall, but He forgives us, helps us up and our walk continues.
Your post no. 303 and this one tells that you believe in eternal salvation.
Really?
Get real man. Keep in mind that you are talking to a man who has been around. I was contending for the faith when you were still feeding on your mother's breasts. All Protestants subscribe to faith alone. But not all Protestants subscribe to easy believism. Easy believism says that faith is a one time act. Protestants say that faith is an continuous act.
Of course Jesus is eternally secure.
Saved from what? Tell them to give you a scripture of what you are saved from.
Saved from hell.
My post to you was clear and orderly. I'm sorry if you couldn't follow it. See my comments in your response in post #298 on page 15.
If citing, quoting more than one verse at a time is a problem, then ok, I understand.
I'm not sure what you are defending here. The MORE the faith the BETTER in my book.
Really? You know that I am beyond convinced that saved people cannot become unsaved, for any reason. So your question is quite inappropriate.
This is a direct reference to fellowship. Communion, intimacy.
To be established is security. As in eternal security.
Absolutely.
Completely saved, of course.
Done. But since my response as found in your post #298 still stands, how about tackling the verse of your choice and we'll discuss that.
Yes, really. Can you support your claim about "easy believism" by quoting a source?
The Bible is as real as it gets. There is nothing more real.
I'm not interested in where you've been, or what you've done.
Wow. So then, you must be about 100 years old, at least. But what does extreme old age have to do with any of this anyway?
I'm not convinced that you know anything about what you dismiss as "easy believism". Would you care to explain what you think it means?
Can you prove this through exegesis?
Do you mean that Jesus wasn't correct when He said that those He gives eternal life shall NEVER PERISH??
This is about purpose, not salvation. Salt has a purpose, which is to give food "taste", so it will not be bland.
The number of times this opinion is repeated doesn't make any difference to the truth.
If you need other verses to support your understanding of a verse being discussed...this is perfectly fine. I just don't like playing verse ping pong.
This doesn't sound to you like one that loses his saltiness is being thrown out of the Kingdom....
While this isn't wrong, this isn't the point of either verse.
The words "in the faith" is a refence to the body of what is believed (or should be). Only by studying the Word, like the newborn on milk, will the believer begin to grow up, by learning all the doctrines and principles that teach about how to live the Christian life. New believers have no clue. They need to be taught.
If you don't grow in th faith, just like 2 Tim 3:16, you will not progress and get to training in righteousness. And such believers will NOT "be presented blameless" before Him.
You really think so? How about eating? Can you continue to grow if you don't continue to eat?
I think you're just playing picky word games. Stick with eating. It's a good analogy, and is biblical, from 1 Pet 2:2.
Sure. You can leave your job, and leave Christianity. But what you cannot do is pluck yourself out of God's hand. We're been over this plenty. The words "no one" includes the meaning of "no person". So even you cannot remove yourself from God's hand.
I guess you misunderstand the meaning of 'partakers'. It's again about fellowship. Like a partnership. This isn't about salvation, but fellowship. Like I said above, the OSNAS crowd seems to confuse loss of fellowship with loss of salvation.
Uh, no, it didn't. As I explained above.
It sure doesn't. It's about purpose. Not salvation.
If you or someone could actually quote a verse that says "thrown out of the kingdom", then you'd have a point. Do you have a point?
The verse doesn't say. It's about being discarded from use. But it seems to me you just won't "go there" and admit it.
No, it sounds like a very BIG matter.
Again, of course it's no small matter. But do you understand what "steadfastness" means or refers to? It seems not.
I never said this verse did.
Now, try to relate that to the state of being saved, if you can.
Sounds nice, but since Satan took over the world when Adam gave it to him when he rebelled, we know God isn't interested in cleaning up the planet. That's something He Himself will do after the Millennium. See Rev 21:1
And none of these words say anything about being thrown into hell, or out of the kingdom, or anything else that would indicate loss of salvation.
Of course becoming a member of the kingdom begins right here on earth. Where else would it begin? No one is saved after they die and enter eternity.
