Is the sin of Adultery the same as stealing a pen?

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I was talking to a family member today, who is a christian and he said that Stealing a pen is no different then adultery. I know there is no degree of sin with God but wouldn't the consequences of adultery be more serious then stealing a pen. (for a christian that is)
I know both are sins.

Your thoughts. Thanks.

It depends on the circumstances of the theft of the pen. I don't know anyone who hasn't been at work using a pen belonging to their employer then absentmindedly putting it in their pocket and taking it home. That is a sin of ignorance, see Leviticus 4:27-28. But if a person knows that some gold plated quill pen belonging to Louis XIV is on display at a museum and plots to steal it, it is a wilfull sin, see Hebrews 10:26-28.

Adultery is without excuse. No one absentmindedly stumbles into it.
 
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I was talking to a family member today, who is a christian and he said that Stealing a pen is no different then adultery. I know there is no degree of sin with God but wouldn't the consequences of adultery be more serious then stealing a pen. (for a christian that is)
I know both are sins.

Your thoughts. Thanks.
What exactly do you mean by "there is no degree of sin with God"? Are you saying that since transgressing the smallest sin is transgressing the whole law, that God sees no difference? Certainly justice is a matter of degree --not that there isn't a line between obedience and disobedience-- but that each debt is according to the gravity of the transgression against God; and his justice is precise and thorough. For those condemned young who have done relatively little wrong, their punishment is nothing like those who have despised and disparaged Christ their whole long lives. According to what I understand, the whole notion of sin hinges on the heart --or at least, is dealt with according to God looking on the heart to judge the deeds.

(Side issue --this has implications for the passages against judging others: Not just "judge not that ye be not judged", but the fact that our standard is what WE --not the guy we apply that standard to-- will be judged by. Our hearts and our consciences are involved in OUR standard.)
 
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Every sin is evil. But there is mortal sins and there is non-mortal sins.
Fornication/adultery is the most evil sin. It kills the soul. There is no way back.
I have never yet heard a satisfactory explanation of the difference between mortal and non-mortal sins. I don't know where the RCC or whoever came up with this.
 
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Yes, he did but that verse should not be proof-texted. Proof-texting is always an abuse of scripture and invariably leads to bad thinking, bad doctrine, and bad practice. Just as valid as Jesus admonition against adulterous thought and his treating of remarriage as adultery is the undeniably fact God Himself divorced Israel and made a new covenant with a new bride, a people not previously His. Is God an adulterer? God commanded Hosea to marry a prostitute. Did God break His own law? Did God force His servant to sin?

The facts of both scripture ad real life experience and observation is remarriage can and often is restorative and redemptive. The odds of two adulterous leaving their spouses and having a successful marriage, statistically speaking, is only about 4% (seriously) according to the research. It's not a good choice. That does not mean a person cannot marry a person who has been sinned against by a covenant-breaker and act as a redemptive agent.

John 1:9-13
"There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man. He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God."

Jesus came first to his own and they killed him for it. The price he paid then went to a new bride. Does that make Jesus an adulterer?

Don't proof-text. It is not good practice.
Jesus is spirit. Jesus can not marry a group of churches, nor procreate with a multitude.

You think God divorced Israel? Already there are Israeli believers. If a Jew believes he should not bear false witness, he may surpass one claiming to be a follower of Christ who commits fraud.

It you recommend going to prostitutes, you will fail. God sent Jesus to warn against marrying those divorced for infidelity. You might marry a prostitute, but you might not be able to keep her. A man married a woman late in life. She stayed with him a short time. They bought a house during their marriage. She left with half a house. She had divorced before and had studied divorce law. She might try it again.
 
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I have never yet heard a satisfactory explanation of the difference between mortal and non-mortal sins. I don't know where the RCC or whoever came up with this.
I agree...

"all have sinned"... That kinda sums it all up.

"Believe on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved" ... that ends it.
 
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I was talking to a family member today, who is a christian and he said that Stealing a pen is no different then adultery. I know there is no degree of sin with God but wouldn't the consequences of adultery be more serious then stealing a pen. (for a christian that is)
I know both are sins.

Your thoughts. Thanks.
It may not be a good answer, but it looks to me like the answer is "almost no." In principle, ANY falling short of God's laws/requirements, etc. is a sin. But while that makes pen-stealing and adultery equal in the sense that both are sins, that wasn't exactly what you were asking.

But then, if we turn to the consequences, there are several views about that among the churches. Catholics teach that every sin requires satisfaction, even aside from whether it damns the person to hell or not. If not hell, it's Purgatory.

The reformed churches generally teach that we are lost as sinners, that we are sinners from birth, etc. save only that we can be rescued from the consequences of that condition or status by Faith. So there isn't much talk about how to compare individual acts of sin.
 
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The consequence of sin is eternal separation from God. I don't think there is any degree in "if I am just a little separated from God"...it is still separation from God. Jesus died on the cross to save even a pen thief from separation from God. You either are or are not allowed into Heaven. There is no degree of that, either.

If you really believe that Jesus is truly God...I suspect that it won't be any easier to admit to Him that you stole a pen that did not belong to you for whatever silly reason in the Final Judgement. It will be blatantly obvious that none of us are worthy of Heaven and that we all need His grace to even stand in His presence.
 
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Beaten with few stripes
Beaten with many stripes

Degrees.
We are all sinners... It's like a pregnancy.. Nobody ever... was a "little pregnant".

To men.. yes, degrees of evil and sinful acts... get different degrees of probation, fines, suspension, incarceration, prison.. etc.

To God... You stole a pen = Sinner.. need salvation
To God... Your committed adultery = Sinner... need salvation.
 
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No, its not the same.

Both fly and a man are living creatures. But not the same creatures with the same influence.

Both stealing a pen and adultery are sins, but adultery will have much more serious consequences in your life and in the life of others, much more hate and pain. It will probably seriously change the lifes of others, negatively.

Adultery is one of so called mortal sins. Why mortal? Because the Law of Moses required death for adulterers, not so for somebody who stole something.
 
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No, its not the same.

Both fly and a man are living creatures. But not the same creatures with the same influence.

Both stealing a pen and adultery are sins, but adultery will have much more serious consequences in your life and in the life of others, much more hate and pain. It will probably seriously change the lifes of others, negatively.

Adultery is one of so called mortal sins. Why mortal? Because the Law of Moses required death for adulterers, not so for somebody who stole something.
Oh, I agree that adultery has much more negative impact on yourself and those you are involved with in your life for years to come..

However.. In God's eyes.... when we meet Him.. only one thing will matter... "did you admit you were a sinner and accept His gift of salvation.. and are you washed in His blood.

Basically are you a believer... or did you deny Him... That's it.


There is no separate place in heaven for those forgiven for stealing a pen.. and another spot for those who are forgiven for adultery...
We will all just be "forgiven" or we won't be there...

There will be rewards for righteous acts... not that they were what brought you salvation.. but there is rewards once you get there, for things you did to help in God's work.
 
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I was talking to a family member today, who is a christian and he said that Stealing a pen is no different then adultery. I know there is no degree of sin with God but wouldn't the consequences of adultery be more serious then stealing a pen. (for a christian that is)
I know both are sins.

Your thoughts. Thanks.
James said if we break one law we are lawbreakers on all points, but Jesus said Sodom and Gamorrah would be better off than a certain city. I don't think these contradict though. We are all lawbreakers, but God understands hearts. If someone is making every effort to draw near to Him and do right, feels bad when they sin and repents, they are in more favor with God than those who blatantly sin and do not care who they hurt.
 
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I was talking to a family member today, who is a christian and he said that Stealing a pen is no different then adultery. I know there is no degree of sin with God but wouldn't the consequences of adultery be more serious then stealing a pen. (for a christian that is)
I know both are sins.

Your thoughts. Thanks.

Well all sin is wrong, but Jesus and Scripture have labelled adultery an especially grievous sin as it violatres the covenant between man and woman and man and God.
 
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Jesus is spirit. Jesus can not marry a group of churches, nor procreate with a multitude.
Hmmm... Here's what scripture says:

John 3:27-30
"John answered and said, 'A man can receive nothing unless it has been given him from heaven. You yourselves are my witnesses that I said, 'I am not the Christ,' but, 'I have been sent ahead of Him.' He who has the bride is the bridegroom; but the friend of the bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly because of the bridegroom's voice. So this joy of mine has been made full. He must increase, but I must decrease.'"

Revelation 19:5-9
"And a voice came from the throne, saying, 'Give praise to our God, all you His bond-servants, you who fear Him, the small and the great.' Then I heard something like the voice of a great multitude and like the sound of many waters and like the sound of mighty peals of thunder, saying, 'Hallelujah! For the Lord our God, the Almighty, reigns. Let us rejoice and be glad and give the glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride has made herself ready.' It was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. Then he said to me, 'Write, 'Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.'' And he said to me, 'These are true words of God.'"

Revelation 21:1-9
"Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them... Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and spoke with me, saying, 'Come here, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb."

Ephesians 5:28-32
"In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church, because we are members of his body. 'Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.' This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church."

A man cleaving to his wife and becoming one flesh refers to Christ and the church, the bride of Christ.
You think God divorced Israel?
Well, let's once again take a look at scripture, shall we?

Jeremiah 3:6-10
"Then the LORD said to me in the days of Josiah the king, 'Have you seen what faithless Israel did? She went up on every high hill and under every green tree, and she was a harlot there. I thought, 'After she has done all these things she will return to Me'; but she did not return, and her treacherous sister Judah saw it. And I saw that for all the adulteries of faithless Israel, I had sent her away and given her a writ of divorce, yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear; but she went and was a harlot also. Because of the lightness of her harlotry, she polluted the land and committed adultery with stones and trees. Yet in spite of all this her treacherous sister Judah did not return to Me with all her heart, but rather in deception,' declares the LORD."

God divorced Israel.
It you recommend going to prostitutes, you will fail.
Never said any such thing. If you cannot post with cogent discourse or in a manner consistent with the whole of scripture and not just the proof-texted verses you like then don't expect to be taken seriously or bear any fruit.
God sent Jesus to warn against marrying those divorced for infidelity.
No, God sent Jesus to reconcile Himself to humanity and save us from sin and the commensurate death and wrath that accompanies sin. All sin. Including adultery. Jesus' warnings are intended to be understood in light of all that God said, not just the few verses you like.
You might marry a prostitute...
Tiresome dross. No one said anything about me marrying a prostitute. God did, in fact, direct His prophet to do so however. Commanded him to sire children with her, too.

Hosea 1:2-3
"When the LORD first spoke through Hosea, the LORD said to Hosea, "Go, take to yourself a wife of harlotry and have children of harlotry; for the land commits flagrant harlotry, forsaking the LORD." So he went and took Gomer the daughter of Diblaim, and she conceived and bore him a son."

Everything I said in my previous post came straight out of God's word. Petty, snide comments about me marrying prostitutes don't change that fact. You are invited to discuss these passages relevant to this op, but if you don't feel capable of doing so simple silence will suffice. Eve a nice, polite, respectful, "No thanks," is better than the post to which I now reply.
 
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Hmmm... Here's what scripture says:

John 3:27-30
"John answered and said, 'A man can receive nothing unless it has been given him from heaven. You yourselves are my witnesses that I said, 'I am not the Christ,' but, 'I have been sent ahead of Him.' He who has the bride is the bridegroom; but the friend of the bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly because of the bridegroom's voice. So this joy of mine has been made full. He must increase, but I must decrease.'"

Revelation 19:5-9
"And a voice came from the throne, saying, 'Give praise to our God, all you His bond-servants, you who fear Him, the small and the great.' Then I heard something like the voice of a great multitude and like the sound of many waters and like the sound of mighty peals of thunder, saying, 'Hallelujah! For the Lord our God, the Almighty, reigns. Let us rejoice and be glad and give the glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride has made herself ready.' It was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. Then he said to me, 'Write, 'Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.'' And he said to me, 'These are true words of God.'"

Revelation 21:1-9
"Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them... Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and spoke with me, saying, 'Come here, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb."

Ephesians 5:28-32
"In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church, because we are members of his body. 'Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.' This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church."

A man cleaving to his wife and becoming one flesh refers to Christ and the church, the bride of Christ.

Well, let's once again take a look at scripture, shall we?

Jeremiah 3:6-10
"Then the LORD said to me in the days of Josiah the king, 'Have you seen what faithless Israel did? She went up on every high hill and under every green tree, and she was a harlot there. I thought, 'After she has done all these things she will return to Me'; but she did not return, and her treacherous sister Judah saw it. And I saw that for all the adulteries of faithless Israel, I had sent her away and given her a writ of divorce, yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear; but she went and was a harlot also. Because of the lightness of her harlotry, she polluted the land and committed adultery with stones and trees. Yet in spite of all this her treacherous sister Judah did not return to Me with all her heart, but rather in deception,' declares the LORD."

God divorced Israel.

Never said any such thing. If you cannot post with cogent discourse or in a manner consistent with the whole of scripture and not just the proof-texted verses you like then don't expect to be taken seriously or bear any fruit.

No, God sent Jesus to reconcile Himself to humanity and save us from sin and the commensurate death and wrath that accompanies sin. All sin. Including adultery. Jesus' warnings are intended to be understood in light of all that God said, not just the few verses you like.

Tiresome dross. No one said anything about me marrying a prostitute. God did, in fact, direct His prophet to do so however. Commanded him to sire children with her, too.

Hosea 1:2-3
"When the LORD first spoke through Hosea, the LORD said to Hosea, "Go, take to yourself a wife of harlotry and have children of harlotry; for the land commits flagrant harlotry, forsaking the LORD." So he went and took Gomer the daughter of Diblaim, and she conceived and bore him a son."

Everything I said in my previous post came straight out of God's word. Petty, snide comments about me marrying prostitutes don't change that fact. You are invited to discuss these passages relevant to this op, but if you don't feel capable of doing so simple silence will suffice. Eve a nice, polite, respectful, "No thanks," is better than the post to which I now reply.
Jesus was not married. Who do you think he married? Were you invited to the rehearsal dinner?
 
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Hmmm... Here's what scripture says:

John 3:27-30
"John answered and said, 'A man can receive nothing unless it has been given him from heaven. You yourselves are my witnesses that I said, 'I am not the Christ,' but, 'I have been sent ahead of Him.' He who has the bride is the bridegroom; but the friend of the bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly because of the bridegroom's voice. So this joy of mine has been made full. He must increase, but I must decrease.'"

Revelation 19:5-9
"And a voice came from the throne, saying, 'Give praise to our God, all you His bond-servants, you who fear Him, the small and the great.' Then I heard something like the voice of a great multitude and like the sound of many waters and like the sound of mighty peals of thunder, saying, 'Hallelujah! For the Lord our God, the Almighty, reigns. Let us rejoice and be glad and give the glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride has made herself ready.' It was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. Then he said to me, 'Write, 'Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.'' And he said to me, 'These are true words of God.'"

Revelation 21:1-9
"Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them... Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and spoke with me, saying, 'Come here, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb."

Ephesians 5:28-32
"In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church, because we are members of his body. 'Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.' This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church."

A man cleaving to his wife and becoming one flesh refers to Christ and the church, the bride of Christ.

Well, let's once again take a look at scripture, shall we?

Jeremiah 3:6-10
"Then the LORD said to me in the days of Josiah the king, 'Have you seen what faithless Israel did? She went up on every high hill and under every green tree, and she was a harlot there. I thought, 'After she has done all these things she will return to Me'; but she did not return, and her treacherous sister Judah saw it. And I saw that for all the adulteries of faithless Israel, I had sent her away and given her a writ of divorce, yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear; but she went and was a harlot also. Because of the lightness of her harlotry, she polluted the land and committed adultery with stones and trees. Yet in spite of all this her treacherous sister Judah did not return to Me with all her heart, but rather in deception,' declares the LORD."

God divorced Israel.

Never said any such thing. If you cannot post with cogent discourse or in a manner consistent with the whole of scripture and not just the proof-texted verses you like then don't expect to be taken seriously or bear any fruit.

No, God sent Jesus to reconcile Himself to humanity and save us from sin and the commensurate death and wrath that accompanies sin. All sin. Including adultery. Jesus' warnings are intended to be understood in light of all that God said, not just the few verses you like.

Tiresome dross. No one said anything about me marrying a prostitute. God did, in fact, direct His prophet to do so however. Commanded him to sire children with her, too.

Hosea 1:2-3
"When the LORD first spoke through Hosea, the LORD said to Hosea, "Go, take to yourself a wife of harlotry and have children of harlotry; for the land commits flagrant harlotry, forsaking the LORD." So he went and took Gomer the daughter of Diblaim, and she conceived and bore him a son."

Everything I said in my previous post came straight out of God's word. Petty, snide comments about me marrying prostitutes don't change that fact. You are invited to discuss these passages relevant to this op, but if you don't feel capable of doing so simple silence will suffice. Eve a nice, polite, respectful, "No thanks," is better than the post to which I now reply.
Hmmm... Here's what scripture says:

John 3:27-30
"John answered and said, 'A man can receive nothing unless it has been given him from heaven. You yourselves are my witnesses that I said, 'I am not the Christ,' but, 'I have been sent ahead of Him.' He who has the bride is the bridegroom; but the friend of the bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly because of the bridegroom's voice. So this joy of mine has been made full. He must increase, but I must decrease.'"

Revelation 19:5-9
"And a voice came from the throne, saying, 'Give praise to our God, all you His bond-servants, you who fear Him, the small and the great.' Then I heard something like the voice of a great multitude and like the sound of many waters and like the sound of mighty peals of thunder, saying, 'Hallelujah! For the Lord our God, the Almighty, reigns. Let us rejoice and be glad and give the glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride has made herself ready.' It was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. Then he said to me, 'Write, 'Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.'' And he said to me, 'These are true words of God.'"

Revelation 21:1-9
"Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them... Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and spoke with me, saying, 'Come here, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb."

Ephesians 5:28-32
"In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church, because we are members of his body. 'Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.' This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church."

A man cleaving to his wife and becoming one flesh refers to Christ and the church, the bride of Christ.

Well, let's once again take a look at scripture, shall we?

Jeremiah 3:6-10
"Then the LORD said to me in the days of Josiah the king, 'Have you seen what faithless Israel did? She went up on every high hill and under every green tree, and she was a harlot there. I thought, 'After she has done all these things she will return to Me'; but she did not return, and her treacherous sister Judah saw it. And I saw that for all the adulteries of faithless Israel, I had sent her away and given her a writ of divorce, yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear; but she went and was a harlot also. Because of the lightness of her harlotry, she polluted the land and committed adultery with stones and trees. Yet in spite of all this her treacherous sister Judah did not return to Me with all her heart, but rather in deception,' declares the LORD."

God divorced Israel.

Never said any such thing. If you cannot post with cogent discourse or in a manner consistent with the whole of scripture and not just the proof-texted verses you like then don't expect to be taken seriously or bear any fruit.

No, God sent Jesus to reconcile Himself to humanity and save us from sin and the commensurate death and wrath that accompanies sin. All sin. Including adultery. Jesus' warnings are intended to be understood in light of all that God said, not just the few verses you like.

Tiresome dross. No one said anything about me marrying a prostitute. God did, in fact, direct His prophet to do so however. Commanded him to sire children with her, too.

Hosea 1:2-3
"When the LORD first spoke through Hosea, the LORD said to Hosea, "Go, take to yourself a wife of harlotry and have children of harlotry; for the land commits flagrant harlotry, forsaking the LORD." So he went and took Gomer the daughter of Diblaim, and she conceived and bore him a son."

Everything I said in my previous post came straight out of God's word. Petty, snide comments about me marrying prostitutes don't change that fact. You are invited to discuss these passages relevant to this op, but if you don't feel capable of doing so simple silence will suffice. Eve a nice, polite, respectful, "No thanks," is better than the post to which I now reply.
Jesus commanded I should not marry a divorced woman. Does this bother you?
 
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Hmmm... Here's what scripture says:

John 3:27-30
"John answered and said, 'A man can receive nothing unless it has been given him from heaven. You yourselves are my witnesses that I said, 'I am not the Christ,' but, 'I have been sent ahead of Him.' He who has the bride is the bridegroom; but the friend of the bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly because of the bridegroom's voice. So this joy of mine has been made full. He must increase, but I must decrease.'"

Revelation 19:5-9
"And a voice came from the throne, saying, 'Give praise to our God, all you His bond-servants, you who fear Him, the small and the great.' Then I heard something like the voice of a great multitude and like the sound of many waters and like the sound of mighty peals of thunder, saying, 'Hallelujah! For the Lord our God, the Almighty, reigns. Let us rejoice and be glad and give the glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride has made herself ready.' It was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. Then he said to me, 'Write, 'Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.'' And he said to me, 'These are true words of God.'"

Revelation 21:1-9
"Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them... Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and spoke with me, saying, 'Come here, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb."

Ephesians 5:28-32
"In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church, because we are members of his body. 'Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.' This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church."

A man cleaving to his wife and becoming one flesh refers to Christ and the church, the bride of Christ.

Well, let's once again take a look at scripture, shall we?

Jeremiah 3:6-10
"Then the LORD said to me in the days of Josiah the king, 'Have you seen what faithless Israel did? She went up on every high hill and under every green tree, and she was a harlot there. I thought, 'After she has done all these things she will return to Me'; but she did not return, and her treacherous sister Judah saw it. And I saw that for all the adulteries of faithless Israel, I had sent her away and given her a writ of divorce, yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear; but she went and was a harlot also. Because of the lightness of her harlotry, she polluted the land and committed adultery with stones and trees. Yet in spite of all this her treacherous sister Judah did not return to Me with all her heart, but rather in deception,' declares the LORD."

God divorced Israel.

Never said any such thing. If you cannot post with cogent discourse or in a manner consistent with the whole of scripture and not just the proof-texted verses you like then don't expect to be taken seriously or bear any fruit.

No, God sent Jesus to reconcile Himself to humanity and save us from sin and the commensurate death and wrath that accompanies sin. All sin. Including adultery. Jesus' warnings are intended to be understood in light of all that God said, not just the few verses you like.

Tiresome dross. No one said anything about me marrying a prostitute. God did, in fact, direct His prophet to do so however. Commanded him to sire children with her, too.

Hosea 1:2-3
"When the LORD first spoke through Hosea, the LORD said to Hosea, "Go, take to yourself a wife of harlotry and have children of harlotry; for the land commits flagrant harlotry, forsaking the LORD." So he went and took Gomer the daughter of Diblaim, and she conceived and bore him a son."

Everything I said in my previous post came straight out of God's word. Petty, snide comments about me marrying prostitutes don't change that fact. You are invited to discuss these passages relevant to this op, but if you don't feel capable of doing so simple silence will suffice. Eve a nice, polite, respectful, "No thanks," is better than the post to which I now reply.
Matthew 5:31 (WEB) "It was also said, ‘Whoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorce,’ Deuteronomy 24:1 32 but I tell you that whoever puts away his wife, except for the cause of sexual immorality, makes her an adulteress; and whoever marries her when she is put away commits adultery.

I may not marry a divorced woman. I may not go to a prostitute, adulteress, or promiscuous woman.

Proverbs 7:1 (WEB) My son, keep my words.
Lay up my commandments within you.
2 Keep my commandments and live!
Guard my teaching as the apple of your eye.
3 Bind them on your fingers.
Write them on the tablet of your heart.
4 Tell wisdom, “You are my sister.”
Call understanding your relative,
5 that they may keep you from the strange woman,
from the foreigner who flatters with her words.
6 For at the window of my house,
I looked out through my lattice.
7 I saw among the simple ones.
I discerned among the youths a young man void of understanding,
8 passing through the street near her corner,
he went the way to her house,
9 in the twilight, in the evening of the day,
in the middle of the night and in the darkness.
10 Behold, there a woman met him with the attire of a prostitute,
and with crafty intent.
11 She is loud and defiant.
Her feet don’t stay in her house.
12 Now she is in the streets, now in the squares,
and lurking at every corner.
13 So she caught him, and kissed him.
With an impudent face she said to him:
14 “Sacrifices of peace offerings are with me.
Today I have paid my vows.
15 Therefore I came out to meet you,
to diligently seek your face,
and I have found you.
16 I have spread my couch with carpets of tapestry,
with striped cloths of the yarn of Egypt.
17 I have perfumed my bed with myrrh, aloes, and cinnamon.
18 Come, let’s take our fill of loving until the morning.
Let’s solace ourselves with loving.
19 For my husband isn’t at home.
He has gone on a long journey.
20 He has taken a bag of money with him.
He will come home at the full moon.”
21 With persuasive words, she led him astray.
With the flattering of her lips, she seduced him.
22 He followed her immediately,
as an ox goes to the slaughter,
as a fool stepping into a noose.
23 Until an arrow strikes through his liver,
as a bird hurries to the snare,
and doesn’t know that it will cost his life.
24 Now therefore, sons, listen to me.
Pay attention to the words of my mouth.
25 Don’t let your heart turn to her ways.
Don’t go astray in her paths,
26 for she has thrown down many wounded.
Yes, all her slain are a mighty army.
27 Her house is the way to Sheol,
going down to the rooms of death.
 
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Well praise God we don't hear "since stealing a pen is no different then adultery I might as well go commit adultery"

I personally don't see a difference. What I mean by that is sin is sin. God hates sin. NO sin is ok. I have to admit that Christ said "greater sin" about who turned Him over. None the less no sin will ever enter heaven. The great white throne judgement has not happen yet. NO books have been open. So I do not believe anyone.. no human is in a place 1st.. before Satan and all that follow him. A place made for him.

PRAISE GOD GLORY TO JESUS! Christ CAME! DIED! ROSE! For the sin of the WORLD!
 
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