He isn't like I thought

Eha · Jan 7, 2020

K2K said:
They say His sheep hear His voice!!

YES!
and it is in plain sight, if you look..
Acts 1:16
which the Holy Spirit spoke beforehand by the mouth of David
Acts 6:10
But they could not withstand the wisdom and the Spirit with which he was speaking.
Acts 8:29
And the Spirit said to Philip
Acts 10:19
And while Peter was pondering the vision, the Spirit said to him
Acts 11:12
And the Spirit told me
Acts 13:2
While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said

e.t.c.

Eha · Jan 7, 2020

K2K said:
I didn't read the Bible before He came into my life

same

Eha · Jan 7, 2020

K2K said:
So I hear from Him. I hear from Him everyday. I hear from Him about a dozen times a day. He tells me to read my Bible, but it is not my understanding even then, but He talks to me about it, and mostly He doesn't talk to me about my Bible because we talk about my personal life and it is about my job, my wife, my kids, my garden, house, my clothes, my food, and all that is rarely is the Bible good at telling me what to order at Mac Donald's.

ALL the same! and mostly i adore , when He opens something from Old Testament... that is too much for one lifetime in there! physics, chemistry, biology, geography, and behavior and...ugh! secrets of our world and universe - just love it

just 2 months ago God took down servers of all town, that i could get my payment from work, what advocate wanted to get, even though she have no legal or moral rights. now i'm done with my loan. it was scary and awesome, how God did it. it is even in local newspapers

K2K · Jan 7, 2020

Eha said:
YES!
and it is in plain sight, if you look..
Acts 1:16
which the Holy Spirit spoke beforehand by the mouth of David
Acts 6:10
But they could not withstand the wisdom and the Spirit with which he was speaking.
Acts 8:29
And the Spirit said to Philip
Acts 10:19
And while Peter was pondering the vision, the Spirit said to him
Acts 11:12
And the Spirit told me
Acts 13:2
While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said

e.t.c.

Nice post!

Now here is someone that truly know that Lord. You can see it in the excitement that is brought. In this case it is all brought with Scriptures, and indeed the whole Bible has Scriptures about hearing personally from the Lord.

What happens is that the Father has given the Son all things, which would include the very words of God. And the Holy Spirit is sent to speak to our spirit, but the Spirit does not speak on His own initiative but He takes the word of God which belong to our Lord Jesus Christ and gives them to us. So the Spirit, wishing to glorify the Son, acts like a living telephone line to our Lord.

So it is that His sheep hear His voice and they listen, learn, and follow His instructions. A relationship is developed between their Lord and themselves. So a Christian forum should have a place titled: Discipleship: Following Jesus.

It should be a place where we can get excited about Jesus Christ our Lord.

K2K · Jan 7, 2020

Eha said:
ALL the same! and mostly i adore , when He opens something from Old Testament... that is too much for one lifetime in there! physics, chemistry, biology, geography, and behavior and...ugh! secrets of our world and universe - just love it
just 2 months ago God took down servers of all town, that i could get my payment from work, what advocate wanted to get, even though she have no legal or moral rights. now i'm done with my loan. it was scary and awesome, how God did it. it is even in local newspapers

Isn't He incredible. It really surprised me, when I got to know Him, how He really does do these weird and crazy things in the world we live in, but so many still can't see that He is there. It is written that He hold all things together with His hands and we can't understand the "all things" - do we understand what "all things" include? I love the testimony.

Eha · Jan 7, 2020

as one of physics said, it include not just every atom, but even they order and speed.... just mind blows...

K2K · Jan 7, 2020

Eha said:
as one of physics said, it include not just every atom, but even they order and speed.... just mind blows...

Yeah ---

-- I like hearing the Lord talk to me and I like asking Him question, and questions in physics and science are fun areas to talk to Him about. You listen and while you can't completely understand all that He is telling you (even Jesus didn't think understanding the depths of Father is something that could be understood, and He is One with God, the perfect image of the invisible God, and God) it is fun.

One time He was talking to me about how in some respects the spiritual is more real than the physical. For example - He was explaining - you can pound your hand on a table and that seems real - but don't we think that table is made of atoms which are made up of electrons and protons, and the distance relative to their size is something like the distance between the Earth and the Sun so it about as solid as dense as outer space. So is your perception of the physical heavens more real than your perception of the spiritual?

Look - I don't understand it all, but at that time He was actually talking to me about people being healed by Him and our lack of faith for that. That is - we people say someone has a physical injury and it is so extremely real to us that we doubt a spiritual being, even God, can fix it because it is so real to us. But it is like that table which seems so solid and dense but it is really just our perception. The is a great distance in the atoms, that make up what you are looking at. Yet you can hear from Him, so isn't He as real as that table and capable of healing that physical injury?

Well, my conversations with Him are interesting, so I tell people to listen to Him for themselves. I don't expect them to believe me, but what are they going to say if they start hearing from Him? There is something written about how faith comes from hearing.

Bobber · Jan 10, 2020

K2K said:
Ok - here is what happens. We get zealous for the Bible. Because we get zealous for the Bible we call it "The Word of God". It is understandable because the people who wrote it heard from the Lord and they wrote down what He told them. So the Bible has words from God, thus we call it "The Word of God"

But what about the Bible? What or who does it say "The Word of God" is?

Jn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.

Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called "The Word of God"

Gen 15:1 After these things the word of the Lord came to Abram in a vision, saying "...

Look at the verses! The Bible is not the Word of God in any of those verse! So what we have is both Jesus Christ and the Bible being called "The Word of God"!!

Now consider: In Gen 15 Abram did not have a Bible! Yet the word of the Lord came to him in a vision and spoke with him. Abram believed it was the Lord and that belief was counted to Him as righteousness.

Gen 15:5 Then he believed in the Lord; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness.

So how could Abram be sure "unless it has been revealed to us by God in His Word?

Do we not understand? It is not "revealed to us by God in His Word" it is that Jesus Christ, the Word of God, is revealed to us

Gal 3:22,23 But the Scriptures has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed.

As Christians, Jesus Christ should have been revealed to us. We can hear from Him, if we believe He is there to be heard from. If I say, 'I have to live by the Scriptures', then are you not still shut up under sin. We might and should live according to the Scriptures, but they explain that we follow Jesus Christ!! They say His sheep hear His voice!! They explain that we can have a personal relatioinship with Jesus Christ because He sent His Holy Spirit. They explain that He is the Word of God we are preaching.

So we call Jesus and the Scriptures, "The Word of God", or should I say that we call the Scriptures "The Word of God', and on rare occasions we recognize that Jesus was also called the Word of God if someone actually cares to look at the Scriptures.

The 'word of the Lord' (the Christ) came to Abram in a vision and spoke to Him. If we are indeed the sons of Abraham spiritually speaking, that is how it is with us. We believe that, because we do hear from Him. So it is that I hear from Him, and I come to a Christian forum, where His sheep are supposed to be hearing His voice, and I note that He was not what I thought He would be.

I didn't read the Bible before He came into my life, but my parents had taken me to church when I was a kid. I listened and there the Bible was the Word of God, but nobody in that church was talking about hearing from The Word of God, Jesus Christ. It blew me away when He started talking to me. How could I have know that He would talk about the little things in my life. The Bible does actually mention that, but Christian were not saying that!

It turned out that some did know Him and how He really is. My mom was even one of them, but she never told me that she heard from Him daily. She didn't tell people for the same reason that most Christian that do really hear from Him daily don't tell other people about it. They don't tell them because someone we try to imply that is not Him.

"Did God really say " is the first concept that seems to come from them. Those were the first words from that Snake.

"You have to follow the Bible (Sure Word)" they say. But the Bible says you have to follow Jesus Christ.

"The Bible is the truth" they say. Yet Jesus explain that He is the truth, and that is recorded in the Bible.

They might say yeah they hear from Him but it is a rare thing. Yet in the Bible it is written "Your ears will hear a word behind you, "This is the way, walk in it," whenever you turn to the right or to the left" Is 30:21

So I hear from Him. I hear from Him everyday. I hear from Him about a dozen times a day. He tells me to read my Bible, but it is not my understanding even then, but He talks to me about it, and mostly He doesn't talk to me about my Bible because we talk about my personal life and it is about my job, my wife, my kids, my garden, house, my clothes, my food, and all that is rarely is the Bible good at telling me what to order at Mac Donald's. The Bible doesn't tell you to turn right, left, or go straight at the next stop sign, but if you listen close He will talk to you about that. I never knew that He was like that, even though Isaiah explained it in the Bible.

It is not your understanding of the Bible!! It is hearing from Him and listening to Him like the Bible explains. Read the Bible and believe it is right! It tells you to seek the Lord and listen to Him!!

Mat 17:5 … "This is My Sone, with whom I am well-pleased, listen to Him!"

We do listen to Him, right? He is the Word of God, right? He has been revealed to us, right? Are you going to trust Him?

Is 28:12,13 ...And "Here is repose." but they would not listen. So the word of the Lord to them will be, "Order on order, order on order, Line on line, line on line... That they may go and stumble backward, be broken, snared and taken captive

Jesus will talk to you and we need to listen. But if you don't listen the word of the Lord to you will be Line on line - according to what Isaiah wrote. The Scriptures are line on line and some people call them the Word of God instead of Jesus Christ. Why?

Being a disciple of Jesus Christ and following Him is about listening to Him. He will tell you to read the Bible, people. But He will also talk to you about it so you will understand things. You will understand that if you don't listen to Him like you should then the line on line of text in your Bible we be the Word of God to you, instead of Him. Abraham, hear the word of the Lord when He came to him in a vision and spoke to Him. Do what Abraham did. Listen.

I've read through many of your posts and they're quite inspirational....and I agree with you. We need to daily practise the presence of God and KNOW he's there he's not somewhere off doing something different. I do think though scripture must be the determining factor of things or you can have some thinking they're being led by God but it's just their own thinking, but like I said I agree with much of what you say.

K2K · Jan 14, 2020

A_Thinker said:
Sounds like you have a great relationship with the Lord.

What else have you posted ?

I have a relationship with Him, but like any relationship it is sometimes better than others. That doesn't mean I don't hear from Him everyday. He said He would never leave us and He also goes by the name "I AM", so He is always around if we care to believe it. Still, sometimes I get angry with Him - not that I am ever right for being so. Still, He is going to do what is right even if it isn't what I would do. Which means things don't always go the way I think they should, which can upset us/me.

So I don't know how good my relationship with Him actually is. It more like when Jesus asked Peter if he love Him. Jesus used the word 'agape' which is a deep love. Peter answered that he loved Him, but used the word 'Pheleo' which is not so deep - it's more like Peter was saying he liked Him instead of loved Him. That conversation makes sense to me. I hear Him tell me He loves me and this deep loves comes through, but that's not what I have for Him. He is interesting, amazing, strange and incredible, but even Peter saw all that with Him yet answered that his love for Jesus was something less than an agape type of love. It was more of a friendship and Peter knew that Jesus knew how he felt. That is the relationship I have with Him.

K2K · Jan 14, 2020

Eha said:
I just sit here and, sorry, i'm laughing with tears in my eyes...
I was searching people, like you, for almost 30 years.
almost 30 years alone, i mean with no people to share my thoughts, lessons from God, just share that amazing reality, He have done and opening more and more to me.... Just share my joy and get more back, because I love Him.
i could write another Bible, i am so curious about everything in the Bible, that Heavenly Father gave me a gift - in small version, i go through almost everything in the Bible in my life, in reality, with witnesses and proofs ) Just because i told Him - but HOW it looked like? or mmm - i like to be there at least once...
And here you are and from yours words i know - you know Him.
im happy
thank you for sharing

"And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him, who is true"

Yeah - sometimes I feel that way too. It is just like you say. Fortunately my Mom and my wife have a similar relationship with Him, but all too often it is really hard to find people that know Him like you. Still, they are out there. - And yeah, He does some much when you get to know Him it really does feel like you could write another Bible. It is written that if all Jesus had done in that period that perhaps the whole earth couldn't hold it.

Brianlear · Feb 4, 2020

God truly loves us. And when you truly love someone, you cannot ever control them. You have to let them be who they are. There is definitely a parental analogy here. Your children can never grow up and learn if you are constantly hovering, whispering in their ear. Likewise, God knows that we'll never mature unless we are left to our own devices to make mistakes and learn from them.

God is not a micromanager and for this reason I'm always skeptical when people start attributing every little coincidence in their life to divine intervention. God is master of the universe and holds every atom in his grip, and he most certainly did not get you that parking spot

To me, God is like a father who is an expert at lightening the mood and making you feel like things are okay even in the worst of situations. Even maybe a joke maker or teller. Someone who delights in making you laugh. He doesn't strike me as particularly serious, or "dark" at all. Not even a little bit. When I feel his presence it is always extremely light, like air or clouds. I find it very difficult to maintain a bad mood when he is with me.

K2K · Feb 4, 2020

crossnote said:
Both satan and God can speak to us. Who is who? and Which is which? ...That is where Scripture gives us the discernment.

Well - the Scriptures tell us how to get discernment, but saying the Scriptures give us discernment is not actually true. Have we not read the discernment is a gift of the Spirit and also not leaning on your own understanding?

Still 1 Jn 4:1-3 has a test you can use - but you have to be listening
and I know people who like to us 1 Cor 12:3 as a test
and Heb 5:14 Explains the importance of practicing listening 9not reading) has with discernment
and we read stories in the Bible like how the Pharisees studied the Scriptures but didn't know Jesus when He showed up in the flesh, but Anna and Simeon knew who He was though He was just a child because they listened to God.

So it is good to read the Scriptures and consider what is written. They were written to point you to the Lord our God, Jesus Christ, and they explain that He is the Word of God whom the Father said we need to listen to.

So it is that people can read the Scriptures and miss the point of them like the Pharisees, but in them is recorded wisdom that can lead to salvation with is through Jesus Christ. Have we not read that all who seek find? But not all believe, do they?

K2K · Feb 4, 2020

Brianlear said:
God truly loves us. And when you truly love someone, you cannot ever control them. You have to let them be who they are. There is definitely a parental analogy here. Your children can never grow up and learn if you are constantly hovering, whispering in their ear. Likewise, God knows that we'll never mature unless we are left to our own devices to make mistakes and learn from them.

God is not a micromanager and for this reason I'm always skeptical when people start attributing every little coincidence in their life to divine intervention. God is master of the universe and holds every atom in his grip, and he most certainly did not get you that parking spot

To me, God is like a father who is an expert at lightening the mood and making you feel like things are okay even in the worst of situations. Even maybe a joke maker or teller. Someone who delights in making you laugh. He doesn't strike me as particularly serious, or "dark" at all. Not even a little bit. When I feel his presence it is always extremely light, like air or clouds. I find it very difficult to maintain a bad mood when he is with me.

And yet Jesus said that He stands at the door and knocks and if anyone hears His voice and opens the door He will come into them and eat with them and them with Him? How does that match up with the above?

There is something written about 'according to your faith'.

So if a person believes that God is not always there to get an answer from what is going to happen?

Oh, the Lord is there. He is omni-present, but they certainly are not going to seek Him for something like a parking spot. So even if the Lord was to work it out for them to get a parking spot for them, they would not thank Him for it anyway. Which brings me to a story.

My mom had convinced me to go to a Christian conference. I don't usually do that type of thing, but I am not against it, so I told her I would but I had a business to run also so I couldn't make it all the time. Still there was a speaker she liked and I decided I could make it to hear him, but I had to come in the afternoon. The parking looked to be a mess for this conference. The advice was to park on the street blocks away and walk. So I asked the Lord to help me with the parking, believing that He would. I sought Him and listened to Him and He had me drive straight to the little parking structure they had and head straight to the front and there were two spots right in the front.

So I pulled into one of them, and I joked with the Lord, "That's great Lord, but why do you have 2 spots?" I laughed to myself and pulled my seat back to relax because I was now early. I had planned to have time to walk a few blocks.

As I laid back relaxing in the set a car pulled behind my car a took the other place. This would not have been surprising except the presence of the Lord magnified greatly. If you don't understand let me just say there are times when suddenly you feel the presence of God around you and that feeling can be powerful. Such was the case. This got my curiosity up so I sat up to see who had taken the spot next to me. I of course didn't recognize the man but I was impressed. He was telling the Lord "Thank you for the parking spot Lord" as He got out of the car. He obviously didn't know I was listening in the car next to him.

"Ha" - I thought to myself! I got a spot and joked with the Lord. That man got a spot and he thanked the Lord. While we both realized God had gotten us the parking spots, he was clearly a better man that me. God, with the help of this man, had taught me a humbling lesson. But that wasn't going to be the last time. This man, Bill Johnson, turned out to be the man my mom had asked me to come and listen to.

I like listening to the Lord and believe that He can get me a parking spot for me if He wants. I am not alone, and indeed there are better men than me who not only believe God for the little things but are more grateful than me. Then there are others who have some faith in God but not enough to believe Him for a parking spot. It often takes more faith to believe for the little things than for the big things!

crossnote · Feb 4, 2020

K2K said:
Have we not read the discernment is a gift of the Spirit and also not leaning on your own understanding?

I wasn't speaking of the gift of discernment that some Christians have. I was referring to the everyday Christian who wants to know which voice is speaking to them, satan's or the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit will not contradict His Word. Satan, being the liar he is will often contradict God's Word, often very subtly. That is why knowing His Word is a great benefit to born again Christians, which BTW very few Pharisees were.

K2K · Feb 5, 2020

crossnote said:
I wasn't speaking of the gift of discernment that some Christians have. I was referring to the everyday Christian who wants to know which voice is speaking to them, satan's or the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit will not contradict His Word. Satan, being the liar he is will often contradict God's Word, often very subtly. That is why knowing His Word is a great benefit to born again Christians, which BTW very few Pharisees were.

First - the Lord sends His Holy Spirit to believers!!

Second - The Holy Spirit speaks to us believers!! He doesn't speak on His own initiative but as He hears He speaks. He take what belongs to Jesus Christ (the words of God) and speaks them to us, like a living telephone line.

Third - One of the gifts He brings in that process is the gift of discernment or distinguishing of spirits.

Fourth - So, since all believers have the Holy Spirit sent to them, and since His sheep hear His voice, they have this ability to hear the Spirit and get information from our Lord about good and evil.

John 10:5 A stranger they simply will not follow, but will flee from him, because they do not know the voice of strangers

Now that refers to "everyday" Christians.

There is a misunderstanding of the gifts because many have misread the context of spiritual gifts in 1 Cor 12. The context is that of chapter is how the Lord uses different members of His body! If you don't understand; the Lord uses the different members how and when He wants! That so that He accomplishes what He wishes and when! So the Lord might have the Holy Spirit give a word from Him to one person on discernment of spirits and a word for healing to another. Yet the next day the Lord might switch it up and give the word for healing to the person He gave the word on discernment of spirits the day before, and vis versa!

What does not happen, and is often presented as if it does, is that you become the Holy Spirit so that the gifts the Holy Spirit gives out now becomes the gifts you give out. That is to say the gifts of the Holy Spirit do not become the gifts of Tom, Dick, and Harry. They remain the gifts of the Spirit because the Spirit is still the One who speaks to our spirit the Words of God!

And concerning the Scriptures, which some people like to call the Word of God because God spoke to people some thousands of years ago also and He asked them to write what He said to them, have you not read that men must live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God?

My friends, God is with you. Jesus Christ said He would never leave you. He sent His Holy Spirit to speak to you today, so why are you calling the sacred writings by His name???? Is it because you do not listen to Him, but lean on your own understanding of the sacred writings? The interpretation of the Scriptures are not for your own personal interpretation but they require that you listen to the Holy Spirit!

Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood and His name is called The Word of God.

But it is also written:

Is 28:12,13 He who said to them, "Here is rest, give rest to the weary," and "Here is repost." but they would not listen. So the word of the Lord to them will be Order on order, order on order, Line on line, line on line, A little hear, a little there," That they may go and stumble backward, be broken, snared and taken captive.

If you will not listen to the Holy Spirit speaking to your spirit, then the Word of God to you will be the text laid out in an orderly manner, line on line, so that you will stumble backward, be broken, snared and taken captive.

So what of someone who writes "The Holy Spirit will not contradict His Word"??

My friends the Holy Spirit brings the words of Jesus Christ and His name is called the Word of God! Did the person writing the above mean the Holy Spirit only brings bring the message from the Word of God (Jesus Christ), or has the 'line upon line' writings of the sacred text become the word of the Lord to them because they would not listen - like Isaiah explained would happen?

When it comes to discernment of spirits, we need to seek the Lord and listen for what He has to say!! If you ask for bread is He going to give you a stone? Jesus is the bread from heaven, but some people are looking to eat of those stones Moses brought down the mountain thousands of years ago. They read "Today, if you hear His voice" and still think that it is not "Today" that they should hear from Him? Instead they listen to that snake who still like to say, "Did God really say...?" Thus they don't seek the voice of the Son, whom the Father commanded, "Listen to Him", so the Word of God to them are the sacred writings instead of the Lord. Of them Jesus explained:

Jn 5:39,40 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life

and

Jn 5:46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?

and

Jn 8:47 He who is of God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God

So the writings are correct. They can give you the wisdom to seek and find salvation which is through Christ Jesus (God's salvation), but that doesn't mean you found Him. If you have found Him you hear His voice. You thus will know Him as The Word of God, simply because you are spending time talking with Him everyday called "Today". He gives you understanding, knowledge, and wisdom, and that because He loves you and the fact you are spending lots of time listening to Him. He becomes your Lord. He becomes the Wonderful counselor to you. Indeed you know Him personally as Mighty God and Everlasting Father. Yet mostly He becomes the Word of God to you because you listen to Him. He brings peace into your life with His words, which are often "I love you". And He teaches you daily, often using the Bible, but He uses everything because He made everything. Somethings He made to glorify Himself. They are Holy to Him. Yet somethings were made to give contrast and show you what not to do.

So He set before you good and evil with the instructions to choose good. But if the instructions to choose good and not evil then you also have some ability to discern between them or at least the ability to ask and get an answer as to what is good and what is evil otherwise you can't make the choice. God is good! Seek and you shall find! Ask and you shall receive! The Spirit of God is made available to those who believe. Of Him it is written, "He will guide you into all truth".

So are you going to lean on your own understanding of the sacred writings and thus boldly call the Scriptures The Word of God, or are you going to seek the Lord of lords and King of kings, Jesus Christ whose name is called The Word of God, and listen to Him via the Holy Spirit who brings His words to your spirit?

crossnote · Feb 5, 2020

K2K said:
First - the Lord sends His Holy Spirit to believers!!

Second - The Holy Spirit speaks to us believers!! He doesn't speak on His own initiative but as He hears He speaks. He take what belongs to Jesus Christ (the words of God) and speaks them to us, like a living telephone line.

Third - One of the gifts He brings in that process is the gift of discernment or distinguishing of spirits.

Fourth - So, since all believers have the Holy Spirit sent to them, and since His sheep hear His voice, they have this ability to hear the Spirit and get information from our Lord about good and evil.

John 10:5 A stranger they simply will not follow, but will flee from him, because they do not know the voice of strangers

Now that refers to "everyday" Christians.

There is a misunderstanding of the gifts because many have misread the context of spiritual gifts in 1 Cor 12. The context is that of chapter is how the Lord uses different members of His body! If you don't understand; the Lord uses the different members how and when He wants! That so that He accomplishes what He wishes and when! So the Lord might have the Holy Spirit give a word from Him to one person on discernment of spirits and a word for healing to another. Yet the next day the Lord might switch it up and give the word for healing to the person He gave the word on discernment of spirits the day before, and vis versa!

yes, so far I agree.

K2K said:
What does not happen, and is often presented as if it does, is that you become the Holy Spirit so that the gifts the Holy Spirit gives out now becomes the gifts you give out. That is to say the gifts of the Holy Spirit do not become the gifts of Tom, Dick, and Harry. They remain the gifts of the Spirit because the Spirit is still the One who speaks to our spirit the Words of God!

i've never heard it taught that we become the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit continues His work in and upon us..and so?

K2K said:
And concerning the Scriptures, which some people like to call the Word of God because God spoke to people some thousands of years ago also and He asked them to write what He said to them, have you not read that men must live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God?

The Scriptures are the written Word of God and are just as true as if He was next to you speaking.

K2K said:
My friends, God is with you. Jesus Christ said He would never leave you. He sent His Holy Spirit to speak to you today, so why are you calling the sacred writings by His name???? Is it because you do not listen to Him, but lean on your own understanding of the sacred writings? The interpretation of the Scriptures are not for your own personal interpretation but they require that you listen to the Holy Spirit!

Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood and His name is called The Word of God.

But it is also written:

Is 28:12,13 He who said to them, "Here is rest, give rest to the weary," and "Here is repost." but they would not listen. So the word of the Lord to them will be Order on order, order on order, Line on line, line on line, A little hear, a little there," That they may go and stumble backward, be broken, snared and taken captive.

It's not productive to use the Scriptures in order to prove they aren't that essential. That is self defeating.

K2K said:
If you will not listen to the Holy Spirit speaking to your spirit, then the Word of God to you will be the text laid out in an orderly manner, line on line, so that you will stumble backward, be broken, snared and taken captive.

Nope, sorry,
Psalm 119:130 (KJV) The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.

K2K said:
When it comes to discernment of spirits, we need to seek the Lord and listen for what He has to say!! If you ask for bread is He going to give you a stone? Jesus is the bread from heaven, but some people are looking to eat of those stones Moses brought down the mountain thousands of years ago. They read "Today, if you hear His voice" and still think that it is not "Today" that they should hear from Him? Instead they listen to that snake who still like to say, "Did God really say...?" Thus they don't seek the voice of the Son, whom the Father commanded, "Listen to Him", so the Word of God to them are the sacred writings instead of the Lord. Of them Jesus explained:

Again, The Holy Spirit will not contradict His Word. Show me where if you think so. Often Jesus resorted to the words "IT IS WRITTEN', was Jesus unspiritual for using the Scriptures, especially when battling the enemy?

K2K said:
So are you going to lean on your own understanding of the sacred writings and thus boldly call the Scriptures The Word of God, or are you going to seek the Lord of lords and King of kings, Jesus Christ whose name is called The Word of God, and listen to Him via the Holy Spirit who brings His words to your spirit?

I will boldly call the Scriptures the WRITTEN TRUE WORD OF GOD and through them AND the Holy Spirit, both pointing to Christ, will continue to walk in grace and not be tossed to and fro ...

Ephesians 4:14 (KJV) That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Thanks for your opinions.

Eha · Feb 5, 2020

K2K said:
First - the Lord sends His Holy Spirit to believers!!

Second - The Holy Spirit speaks to us believers!! He doesn't speak on His own initiative but as He hears He speaks. He take what belongs to Jesus Christ (the words of God) and speaks them to us, like a living telephone line.

Third - One of the gifts He brings in that process is the gift of discernment or distinguishing of spirits.

Fourth - So, since all believers have the Holy Spirit sent to them, and since His sheep hear His voice, they have this ability to hear the Spirit and get information from our Lord about good and evil.

John 10:5 A stranger they simply will not follow, but will flee from him, because they do not know the voice of strangers

Now that refers to "everyday" Christians.

There is a misunderstanding of the gifts because many have misread the context of spiritual gifts in 1 Cor 12. The context is that of chapter is how the Lord uses different members of His body! If you don't understand; the Lord uses the different members how and when He wants! That so that He accomplishes what He wishes and when! So the Lord might have the Holy Spirit give a word from Him to one person on discernment of spirits and a word for healing to another. Yet the next day the Lord might switch it up and give the word for healing to the person He gave the word on discernment of spirits the day before, and vis versa!

What does not happen, and is often presented as if it does, is that you become the Holy Spirit so that the gifts the Holy Spirit gives out now becomes the gifts you give out. That is to say the gifts of the Holy Spirit do not become the gifts of Tom, Dick, and Harry. They remain the gifts of the Spirit because the Spirit is still the One who speaks to our spirit the Words of God!

And concerning the Scriptures, which some people like to call the Word of God because God spoke to people some thousands of years ago also and He asked them to write what He said to them, have you not read that men must live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God?

My friends, God is with you. Jesus Christ said He would never leave you. He sent His Holy Spirit to speak to you today, so why are you calling the sacred writings by His name???? Is it because you do not listen to Him, but lean on your own understanding of the sacred writings? The interpretation of the Scriptures are not for your own personal interpretation but they require that you listen to the Holy Spirit!

Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood and His name is called The Word of God.

But it is also written:

Is 28:12,13 He who said to them, "Here is rest, give rest to the weary," and "Here is repost." but they would not listen. So the word of the Lord to them will be Order on order, order on order, Line on line, line on line, A little hear, a little there," That they may go and stumble backward, be broken, snared and taken captive.

If you will not listen to the Holy Spirit speaking to your spirit, then the Word of God to you will be the text laid out in an orderly manner, line on line, so that you will stumble backward, be broken, snared and taken captive.

So what of someone who writes "The Holy Spirit will not contradict His Word"??

My friends the Holy Spirit brings the words of Jesus Christ and His name is called the Word of God! Did the person writing the above mean the Holy Spirit only brings bring the message from the Word of God (Jesus Christ), or has the 'line upon line' writings of the sacred text become the word of the Lord to them because they would not listen - like Isaiah explained would happen?

When it comes to discernment of spirits, we need to seek the Lord and listen for what He has to say!! If you ask for bread is He going to give you a stone? Jesus is the bread from heaven, but some people are looking to eat of those stones Moses brought down the mountain thousands of years ago. They read "Today, if you hear His voice" and still think that it is not "Today" that they should hear from Him? Instead they listen to that snake who still like to say, "Did God really say...?" Thus they don't seek the voice of the Son, whom the Father commanded, "Listen to Him", so the Word of God to them are the sacred writings instead of the Lord. Of them Jesus explained:

Jn 5:39,40 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life

and

Jn 5:46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?

and

Jn 8:47 He who is of God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God

So the writings are correct. They can give you the wisdom to seek and find salvation which is through Christ Jesus (God's salvation), but that doesn't mean you found Him. If you have found Him you hear His voice. You thus will know Him as The Word of God, simply because you are spending time talking with Him everyday called "Today". He gives you understanding, knowledge, and wisdom, and that because He loves you and the fact you are spending lots of time listening to Him. He becomes your Lord. He becomes the Wonderful counselor to you. Indeed you know Him personally as Mighty God and Everlasting Father. Yet mostly He becomes the Word of God to you because you listen to Him. He brings peace into your life with His words, which are often "I love you". And He teaches you daily, often using the Bible, but He uses everything because He made everything. Somethings He made to glorify Himself. They are Holy to Him. Yet somethings were made to give contrast and show you what not to do.

So He set before you good and evil with the instructions to choose good. But if the instructions to choose good and not evil then you also have some ability to discern between them or at least the ability to ask and get an answer as to what is good and what is evil otherwise you can't make the choice. God is good! Seek and you shall find! Ask and you shall receive! The Spirit of God is made available to those who believe. Of Him it is written, "He will guide you into all truth".

So are you going to lean on your own understanding of the sacred writings and thus boldly call the Scriptures The Word of God, or are you going to seek the Lord of lords and King of kings, Jesus Christ whose name is called The Word of God, and listen to Him via the Holy Spirit who brings His words to your spirit?

do not take this like offend, but question is

crossnote said:
I was referring to the everyday Christian who wants to know which voice is speaking to them, satan's or the Holy Spirit.

this question need to be clarified.
If anyone say, that satan don't imitate Father's voice or don't try to deceive you, by using scripture - i would say, that is blasphemy.
Even Jesus had to face it, full time, in He's life on earth. Only for a time, He was not tempted, after desert
Luke 4-13 And when the devil had ended every temptation, he departed from him until an opportune time.
and it is important to know, who is talking.

Eha · Feb 5, 2020

i was sharing this in another topic.
forgive me my copy/paste

"But once i asked Father, are in the Bible some tips to recognize, who is talking and here is this, He gave me:

Psalm 19

7 The law of the Lord is perfect,
refreshing the soul.
The statutes of the Lord are trustworthy,
making wise the simple.
8 The precepts of the Lord are right,
giving joy to the heart.
The commands of the Lord are radiant,
giving light to the eyes.
9 The fear of the Lord is pure,
enduring forever.
The decrees of the Lord are firm,
and all of them are righteous.

yes, that is, what you feel, when Father is speaking.

when speaks satan - on the first second, JUST A SECOND, you feel doubt, or like something has frightening you or yours heart 'squeezes' in fear.

crossnote · Feb 5, 2020

Eha said:
do not take this like offend, but question is

this question need to be clarified.
If anyone say, that satan don't imitate Father's voice or don't try to deceive you, by using scripture - i would say, that is blasphemy.
Even Jesus had to face it, full time, in He's life on earth. Only for a time, He was not tempted, after desert
Luke 4-13 And when the devil had ended every temptation, he departed from him until an opportune time.
and it is important to know, who is talking.

Yes, the Holy Spirit being the Author of Scripture means it would do us well to hear His advice on the matter by knowing His Word.

K2K · Feb 6, 2020

Eha said:
i was sharing this in another topic.
forgive me my copy/paste

"But once i asked Father, are in the Bible some tips to recognize, who is talking and here is this, He gave me:

Psalm 19

7 The law of the Lord is perfect,
refreshing the soul.
The statutes of the Lord are trustworthy,
making wise the simple.
8 The precepts of the Lord are right,
giving joy to the heart.
The commands of the Lord are radiant,
giving light to the eyes.
9 The fear of the Lord is pure,
enduring forever.
The decrees of the Lord are firm,
and all of them are righteous.

yes, that is, what you feel, when Father is speaking.

when speaks satan - on the first second, JUST A SECOND, you feel doubt, or like something has frightening you or yours heart 'squeezes' in fear.

This is how to approach discernment of spirits!! Notice - "But once i asked Father,..." so it is not a case of just reading and then leaning on your own understanding but seeking the Lord and considering what you are being taught. There of course is lots more to discernment of spirits that the few verses! Still if a person is going to live by faith, meaning faith the Jesus Christ, then you must be seeking Him and listening. And it is not just verses, though it is not surprising that He uses the Scriptures, but He uses all things to teach us.

So perhaps He goes of the above verses, but there are so many more verses and not all things are leaned by reading verses, but it is written that the Holy Spirit will lead you into all truth!! So it is not the Bible that leads us into all truth but the Holy Spirit - by using the Scriptures and whatever else God chooses. Note also, that different people need different things and at different times. The Lord will know what a particular person needs and when.

I like the testimony and teaching passed on. The Lord didn't use those verses when going over discernment of spirits with me, but He did and does similar things, and I can certainly see that He would show a person those verses. Note those verses seem to cover things like a fear that is not from Him. Lots of people fear the devil of the thought that the devil could trick them, so pointing out that the Lord refreshes, or gives joy, or the fear of the Lord is pure can be a great comfort and help a person understand the difference between the Lord and evil spirits.

For me, fearing the devil was not a problem. I always figured that God had it handles somewhere, still I don't want to get sidetracked by the devil, so the Lord pointed out verses like

1 Jn 4:1-3 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to wee whether they are from God.... by this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ hs come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God

It is a nice quick easy test I can put to spirits when I hear them talking to me. So if I pick up a spirit I quickly asked the to confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. The results are interesting. Sometimes the spirit just leaves. Other times I have heard, "I can't tell you that." which is amazes me.

Yet I told once told a Christian about this test and instantly they worried about the possibility of the devils lying. They were fearing the devils, instead of trusting the Lord to know what He was doing by having written the test in the Bible. So that person would have probably found more comfort in the verses the Lord gave you than in the test He pointed out to me. For me, I like a nice simple test to use, and would trust a feeling like giving joy to the heart less. I mean, I could have joy on my heart when an evil spirit decided to talk to me so would I have that discernment correct, but I can listen for the correct response at anytime.

Again, we each need to seek the Lord, and it is a personal relationship we are developing with Him!

What isn't smart is thinking a person can just study the Bible and outsmart the demons by leaning on their own understanding of the Bible. We need to seek our Lord Jesus Christ!!!

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