And when others pointed out that the meaning has been changed over time and it actually has several meanings, you objected.
Try to keep up.
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So because you say it, that makes it true? All that I ask is that you provide a dictionary definition, as I have
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That's your schtick, not mine. You'll notice that I have been able to support all my arguments. You? Not so much.
Others already provided alternate definitions.
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Only in a limited space.
Space just has to be more vast then matter and energy and it isn't a problem. People pointed this out to you on the first page.
So, you are treating space as infinite and changeless... when it is demonstrably anything but.
General relativity is necessary for navigating the solar system and is measurable on the scale of Earth's orbit.
I would really appreciate if you would clarify where you diverge from physics. Also, you never have got around to adding your "Proof of creation" to this whole mess. Even going so far as to accuse people of straw manning you when it's in the title of your thread.
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On Post #96 I provided a link to an outside source that support my claim that Universe means "all that exists". Which post # did you provide an outside source to support your claim that this is no longer the definition?
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@Bungle_Bear 's claim is validated implicitly by the usage of universe, universes and multiverse in this paper.
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That is one argument you supported. But since I didn't say you haven't supported any of your arguments it's not really countering my point. You have made many assertions and failed to back them up with any form of support.
I do not need to provide links where others have already provided them.
Are you new to debating on a forum? You certainly seem to be unaware of how things work.
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Seriously? This is your refutation? My argument was built on unlimited space, not on limited space. Even the counterargument didn't include limited space.
So what's on the other side of limited space? Is Trump building a wall to keep it out; so then we can all live in our own little world?
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No, it just needs areas where information can't get from those areas to us, a situation like the one I suggested in post 219.
And if the universe is curved, then this would do it - if you go far enough in a straight line, you'd get back to where you start, just like that would happen on Earth. Limited space, but no boundary
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If others have provided links that says "All that exist" is no longer the definition of Universe, I'm sure you would have provided it by now.
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For goodness sake, there are several posts directed specifically at you offering alternate definitions and at least one post offering a link.
And let's be very clear - at no stage has anyone denied that one definition of universe is "all that exists". That canard is a dishonest twisting of facts by you. We have simply said universe has more than one meaning.
Now can we just accept that my point is valid and end this futile conversation?
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I think it was post #172, you did.
Your exact words were
Have you ever thought the dictionary definition may need updating? Words can change meaning over time.
IOW you basically said the definition has changed.
Yes I noticed according to the link provided, some use the term Universe to mean Galaxy, but they aren't the same; the Universe is much bigger it contains all of the galaxies.
Solar System, Galaxy, Universe: What's the Difference? | Night Sky Network
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I did not say it no longer has a valid definition of "all that exists". That is your misrepresentation of my post.
You have just supported my point while trying to pretend you have refuted it. If you cannot see how just say so. My suggestion to you is to stop digging, you're only making yourself look more and more foolish.
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And your argument is flawed.
What if space is vaster then the scope of infinite matter?
What if space is growing? (This is especially obvious since it's what the evidence indicates is happening in the real world.)
The shape of space time doesn't have to be flat. Think about about an element able to move freely in two dimensions but is on a surface of a sphere... no walls necessary, but limited space.
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But that doesn't necessarily mean earlier definitions have fallen out of use.
Yes, and words can have more than one meaning all the time. But I don't understand why you are making a big to-do over a trivial issue. If your argument (whatever it turns out to be) requires a particular definition of "universe" then specify it and move forward.
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What's the difference between
a. Words change meaning over time
b. The earlier definition has fallen out of use
Perhaps I'm missing something.
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It appears that you are missing the option that both are possible. For example, "spin" means to revolve or twirl. It also denotes a property of fundamental particles which does not necessarily involve literal twirling. It can also mean using a spinning wheel, a definition which is no longer much used.
"Universe" is similar. It has a variety of meanings, depending on the context. If you wish to employ a specific definition for purposes of argument then it is up to you to specify it.
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