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I watched the Superbowl yesterday because my 8 year old son wanted to. I noticed that there were commercials that seemed to validate and empower women. Then the half-time show started. I turned it off and had to discuss with my son and my two daughters why it was inappropriate. Men artists at the Superbowl are celebrated for their music but women artists are celebrated for their bodies. I wonder how many Christian men would stop supporting the NFL until they realize that women are not eye candy and should be respected for their music as well. I know they do it because there is a lot of money to be had. But if christian men would take a stand, that is a majority of the men in this country, could it help?

Since you are an atheist, why not start a group of atheists dedicated to reigning in what you see as harmful messages? It might play to a different, but increasing audience, and not get the same blowback as the same message from religious quarters.

In any case, I did not watch the show either, so cannot comment on the content.
 
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You now consider Transgender a religious. And yes people should do everything to take care of the planet.
If flat earth is a religion, then transgender is too.
 
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If flat earth is a religion, then transgender is too.
The earth has never seemed anything but round to me. Yet I've met and known a genuine for real transgender person.
 
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If flat earth is a religion, then transgender is too.
The earth isn't flat ,so I don't get what you're talking about. Mumble Jumble talk to me.Transgender people aren't a religion, and they don't pretend to be.
 
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Unfortunately the feminists shut that down. It's somewhat ironic, but they insist that women should be free to show off their bodies as they feel, and any restriction on that is a restriction on women's rights and freedoms.
Seems to me you havent done much feminist ideology reading
 
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Youre mushing together 2 really different things:

1. the freedom of an individual to decorate and display her body as she pleases.

2. the commercial use of female body imagery.
#2 is vehemently defended by many feminists.
 
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Seems to me you havent done much feminist ideology reading
Obviously there are many different types of feminists, but I've read plenty of opinionated feminist pieces defending inappropriate contentography, and have read enough feminist-based psychology which encourages it as well, to understand that many feminists (obviously not all) believe a woman should have the right to use her body as she sees fit, even for commercial purposes. In fact, she is empowered when she does so (according to this opinion).

If your type of feminism is more moderate, great. But usually the more irrational voices get the airtime.
 
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Obviously there are many different types of feminists, but I've read plenty of opinionated feminist pieces defending inappropriate contentography, and have read enough feminist-based psychology which encourages it as well, to understand that many feminists (obviously not all) believe a woman should have the right to use her body as she sees fit, even for commercial purposes. In fact, she is empowered when she does so (according to this opinion).

If your type of feminism is more moderate, great. But usually the more irrational voices get the airtime.
Feminism is like Christianity - find a topic and their will be variances of opinion. But their are central tenets and political aspirations that focus on
  • Sexual Assault which would extend to paedophilia and slavery
  • Domestic Violence (which is quite a massive issue world wide) which would extend to honour killings
  • Equality of rights - this will include rights to education, the right to refuse marriage, the right to parity in pay scales, an equal voice in matters affecting their affairs (eg political representation)
  • Freedom from oppression that extends to laws that limit their capacity to vote, practice and participate in religion, or the right to lead.
You state that you have read opinions of feminists lauding inappropriate contentography. That's a very unusual theorist you read because inappropriate contentography is regarded as objectification and women participating are frequently in positions of dis-empowerment - eg poverty. So I would argue that you may have read a fringe opinion when you say feminist psychologists encourage inappropriate contentography. The reverse in fact is true

The right for women to use their body is most commonly applied to the discussions concerning abortion - not sexual slavery as you suggest. In terms of abortion, the main stream support it - not so much that it is a recommended solution, but rather it should be an accessible option for those who feel it a necessary option

I felt the need to highlight these things because the philosophies you paint are inaccurate and extreme; thus essentially untrue of the core of feminism. Its like saying Christians believe in snake handling and not accessing medicine, simply because you read one group does.
 
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You could hear AC/DC Hells Bells on the house PA behind the broadcast like a dozen times.

But pop is probably most appropriate just because of the gigantic dance numbers that typically go with the genre. The halftime show is visual even more than sonic.

From what I understand he's trying to start a petition to have AC/DC do next year's halftime show.
 
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Feminism is like Christianity - find a topic and their will be variances of opinion. But their are central tenets and political aspirations that focus on
  • Sexual Assault which would extend to paedophilia and slavery
  • Domestic Violence (which is quite a massive issue world wide) which would extend to honour killings
  • Equality of rights - this will include rights to education, the right to refuse marriage, the right to parity in pay scales, an equal voice in matters affecting their affairs (eg political representation)
  • Freedom from oppression that extends to laws that limit their capacity to vote, practice and participate in religion, or the right to lead.
You state that you have read opinions of feminists lauding inappropriate contentography. That's a very unusual theorist you read because inappropriate contentography is regarded as objectification and women participating are frequently in positions of dis-empowerment - eg poverty. So I would argue that you may have read a fringe opinion when you say feminist psychologists encourage inappropriate contentography. The reverse in fact is true

The right for women to use their body is most commonly applied to the discussions concerning abortion - not sexual slavery as you suggest. In terms of abortion, the main stream support it - not so much that it is a recommended solution, but rather it should be an accessible option for those who feel it a necessary option

I felt the need to highlight these things because the philosophies you paint are inaccurate and extreme; thus essentially untrue of the core of feminism. Its like saying Christians believe in snake handling and not accessing medicine, simply because you read one group does.
I should have probably have said something like "some feminists" etc. No doubt my generalised statement was rather irritating, and I do apologise for that.

However, I'm not entirely convinced that these views around inappropriate content and empowerment are as fringe as you are making them out to be. I can find these ideas in mainstream publications pretty easily. For example, here is a New York Times article that shows what I mean.

This write-up attempts to unpack the different camps.

Perhaps it is fringe, I hope so, but I tend to run across the sort of opinions expressed in that NYT article above pretty regularly in other publications of similar size, stature etc.
 
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The earth has never seemed anything but round to me. Yet I've met and known a genuine for real transgender person.
For thousands of years science thought the earth was flat and the universe revolved around it. Some still do preach that it is flat. Just like some think that someone with a XY chromosome and a male body can be a women. Pure fantasy and mental preference. Religion.
 
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The earth isn't flat ,so I don't get what you're talking about. Mumble Jumble talk to me.Transgender people aren't a religion, and they don't pretend to be.
Someone with a male body and XY chromsome is a man. To say otherwise is a flat earth religion.
Christianity is a faith religion. It believes in things not seen.
Flat earthers and transgender believers are also religion.. howbeit their faith does not beileve in things that are not seen, their religion denies things that are.
 
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Obviously there are many different types of feminists, but I've read plenty of opinionated feminist pieces defending inappropriate contentography, and have read enough feminist-based psychology which encourages it as well, to understand that many feminists (obviously not all) believe a woman should have the right to use her body as she sees fit, even for commercial purposes. In fact, she is empowered when she does so (according to this opinion).

If your type of feminism is more moderate, great. But usually the more irrational voices get the airtime.
I believe women should have the right dress modest too. So what's your point. It's our bodies.
 
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Someone with a male body and XY chromsome is a man. To say otherwise is a flat earth religion.
Christianity is a faith religion. It believes in things not seen.
Flat earthers and transgender believers are also religion.. howbeit their faith does not beileve in things that are not seen, their religion denies things that are.
That's nonsense. This is the problem with Christians, they worry about things that don't apply to them. By the way, Transgenders isn't a religion. And Transgenders aren't your problem
 
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That's nonsense. This is the problem with Christians, they worry about things that don't apply to them. By the way, Transgenders isn't a religion. And Transgenders aren't your problem
But it is when they push this religion in schools. Transgenderism is a religion and a bad one... a flat earth religion. Denial of things that are obviously true. True, they can believe and act however they want. I don't care except for the obvious damage they are doing to themselves. But when they start pushing this in elementary schools, then there is a problem.
 
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Someone with a male body and XY chromsome is a man. To say otherwise is a flat earth religion.
Christianity is a faith religion. It believes in things not seen.
Flat earthers and transgender believers are also religion.. howbeit their faith does not beileve in things that are not seen, their religion denies things that are.
How can you tell me that I have not seen the trans person I know?
 
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I believe women should have the right dress modest too. So what's your point. It's our bodies.
The point is that it is ironic that some feminists view inappropriate contentography or the commercialisation of a woman's body as "empowering" as it clearly weakens the feminist cause, not strengthen it.

Allow me to illustrate something else for consideration. Frequently I've heard women get upset that if they wear revealing clothing, that men look or have something to say, and some men tell them to cover up. "It's our body," they say, "we can dress as we want." Apparently men just need to grow up and get over it.

But when a man wears revealing clothing, then it's "disgusting" or "gross" and he must cover up... or even more, it's intimidating and those same women above say it is potentially threatening.

My point in this illustration is to show that the "it's our bodies" argument only goes so far until it actually does affect others. People who believe that what they do should have no affect on others are living in an idealistic dream world. I think "it's our bodies" has its limits, and certainly if the goal is "love" to neighbour and ourselves, both should be considered, not just one over the other.
 
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How can you tell me that I have not seen the trans person I know?
Well you see Christians and theists all the time. Your profile says "seeker."
I think you have found! :clap:
 
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