Who will populate the earth in the 1000 year Reign

rhern said:

Jesus said my Kingdom is not of this world.
But He will be in the Millennial Kingdom according to Zechariah 14.
What kind of Body does He have?
He appeared after the resurrection and said to the 12 Apostle I am flesh and bone
and then He ate fish

So does that mean he will be in the same state when He returns.
If He didn't want us to know He would not have appeared to the 12 apostles.
I believe he is in the same body today waiting to place His feet on the Mount of Olives Zech. 14

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I do not see it! Could you please do a detailed comparison between Zechariah 14 and Revelation 20 (the two main often-presented Premil proof texts)?

rhern said:

Jesus said my Kingdom is not of this world.
But He will be in the Millennial Kingdom according to Zechariah 14.
What kind of Body does He have?
He appeared after the resurrection and said to the 12 Apostle I am flesh and bone
and then He ate fish

So does that mean he will be in the same state when He returns.
If He didn't want us to know He would not have appeared to the 12 apostles.
I believe he is in the same body today waiting to place His feet on the Mount of Olives Zech. 14

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It is called "the kingdom of heaven" NEVER 'the kingdom of earth'.

sovereigngrace said:

You rubbish the use of other Scripture because you have no corroboration for your theory of 'the resurrection of the just' being the "first resurrection." (2) You then fail to show one single other Scripture in the sacred pages that that teaches two distinct physical resurrection days (the first for the righteous, the second for the wicked) separated by a literal 1000 years+. This shows that Premil is extra-biblical.

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Isaiah 26 is pretty clear....

Right off the bat, it associates itself with Revelation 4:1...

Revelation 4:1 (NKJV) After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, "Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this."

Isaiah 26:2 (NKJV) Open the gates,
That the righteous nation which keeps the truth may enter in.

Peter says we are a holy, righteous nation.

And when is the context?....

Isaiah 26:17 (NKJV) As a woman with child
Is in pain and cries out in her pangs,
When she draws near the time of her delivery,
So have we been in Your sight, O Lord.

Jeremiah 30:6-7 (NKJV) Ask now, and see,
Whether a man is ever in labor with child?
So why do I see every man with his hands on his loins
Like a woman in labor,
And all faces turned pale?
7 Alas! For that day is great,
So that none is like it;
And it is the time of Jacob's trouble,
But he shall be saved out of it.

Matthew 24:21 (NKJV) For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.

And Isaiah 26 then shows what is going to happen at the time those labor pains start, and when the gates are open that the righteous nation may enter.....

Isaiah 26:19-21 (NKJV) Your dead shall live;
Together with my dead body they shall arise.
Awake and sing, you who dwell in dust;
For your dew is like the dew of herbs,
And the earth shall cast out the dead.
20 Come, my people, enter your chambers,
And shut your doors behind you;
Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment,
Until the indignation is past.
21 For behold, the Lord comes out of His place
To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity;
The earth will also disclose her blood,
And will no more cover her slain.

And Zephaniah talks about the righteous being "hidden" just like Isaiah, and also says that it happens "before the decree is issued" which the only major decree that is a major sign of that period is the affirmation of the covenant in Daniel 9:27

Zephaniah 2:1-3 (NKJV) Gather yourselves together, yes, gather together,
O undesirable nation,
2 Before the decree is issued,
Or the day passes like chaff,
Before the Lord's fierce anger comes upon you,
Before the day of the Lord's anger comes upon you!
3 Seek the Lord, all you meek of the earth,
Who have upheld His justice.
Seek righteousness, seek humility.
It may be that you will be hidden
In the day of the Lord's anger.

So the righteous, both living and resurrected dead, are addressed as being hidden from the calamities coming upon the earth.

David even suggests the same thing, and happening at the same "time of trouble" that Jeremiah talks about....

Psalms 27:5 (NKJV) For in the time of trouble
He shall hide me in His pavilion;
In the secret place of His tabernacle
He shall hide me;
He shall set me high upon a rock.


And that only scratches the surface. There is a lot in the OT that supports a pre 70th week, or pre-trib if one wants to use that term, removal of the righteous.

Copperhead said:

Isaiah 26 is pretty clear....

Right off the bat, it associates itself with Revelation 4:1...

Revelation 4:1 (NKJV) After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, "Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this."

Isaiah 26:2 (NKJV) Open the gates,
That the righteous nation which keeps the truth may enter in.

Peter says we are a holy, righteous nation.

And when is the context?....

Isaiah 26:17 (NKJV) As a woman with child
Is in pain and cries out in her pangs,
When she draws near the time of her delivery,
So have we been in Your sight, O Lord.

Jeremiah 30:6-7 (NKJV) Ask now, and see,
Whether a man is ever in labor with child?
So why do I see every man with his hands on his loins
Like a woman in labor,
And all faces turned pale?
7 Alas! For that day is great,
So that none is like it;
And it is the time of Jacob's trouble,
But he shall be saved out of it.

Matthew 24:21 (NKJV) For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.

And Isaiah 26 then shows what is going to happen at the time those labor pains start, and when the gates are open that the righteous nation may enter.....

Isaiah 26:19-21 (NKJV) Your dead shall live;
Together with my dead body they shall arise.
Awake and sing, you who dwell in dust;
For your dew is like the dew of herbs,
And the earth shall cast out the dead.
20 Come, my people, enter your chambers,
And shut your doors behind you;
Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment,
Until the indignation is past.
21 For behold, the Lord comes out of His place
To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity;
The earth will also disclose her blood,
And will no more cover her slain.

And Zephaniah talks about the righteous being "hidden" just like Isaiah, and also says that it happens "before the decree is issued" which the only major decree that is a major sign of that period is the affirmation of the covenant in Daniel 9:27

Zephaniah 2:1-3 (NKJV) Gather yourselves together, yes, gather together,
O undesirable nation,
2 Before the decree is issued,
Or the day passes like chaff,
Before the Lord's fierce anger comes upon you,
Before the day of the Lord's anger comes upon you!
3 Seek the Lord, all you meek of the earth,
Who have upheld His justice.
Seek righteousness, seek humility.
It may be that you will be hidden
In the day of the Lord's anger.

So the righteous, both living and resurrected dead, are addressed as being hidden from the calamities coming upon the earth.

David even suggests the same thing, and happening at the same "time of trouble" that Jeremiah talks about....

Psalms 27:5 (NKJV) For in the time of trouble
He shall hide me in His pavilion;
In the secret place of His tabernacle
He shall hide me;
He shall set me high upon a rock.


And that only scratches the surface. There is a lot in the OT that supports a pre 70th week removal of the righteous.

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Where is a millennium mentioned anywhere here? These have nothing to do with Revelation 20.

sovereigngrace said:

Where is a millennium mentioned anywhere here? These have nothing to do with Revelation 20.

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that wasn't the point of that post. It was a answer to your assertion that the premil thing is extrabilical. I was showing how the OT does indeed show a pre 70th week removal of the righteous, or "pre-trib' if one wants to use that term. And that is a pre-mil position. Don't try and interject another topic into it.

There are two unique resurrections. One pre 70th week of the righteous and one at the end of the millennium to the Great White Throne Judgement.

ewq1938 said:

It is a kingdom of the Earth here:

Dan 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.
Dan 7:18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.


Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.


Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

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Jesus, whilst speaking to Pilate shortly before His death, declared, “My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice” (John 18:36-37).

Christ introduced the kingdom of God 2,000 yrs ago. It will see its final eternal manifestation at Christ's return in a sin-free, goat-free, death-free new earth. Christ made it clear that the kingdom of God was spiritual and those that enter it enter it spiritually. The resurrection comes at the end of the millennial period.

Copperhead said:

that wasn't the point of that post. It was a answer to your assertion that the premil thing is extrabilical. I was showing how the OT does indeed show a pre 70th week removal of the righteous, or "pre-trib' if one wants to use that term. And that is a pre-mil position. Don't try and interject another topic into it.

There are two unique resurrections. One pre 70th week of the righteous and one at the end of the millennium to the Great White Throne Judgement.

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You are bringing zero corroboration to the table. Scripture teaches a general resurrection when Jesus comes, then the judgment, then eternity.

sovereigngrace said:

Christ made it clear that the kingdom of God was spiritual and those that enter it enter it spiritually.

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Acts 1:6 (NKJV) Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, "Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?"

Yeshua did not respond to them that this was a stupid question and that the kingdom is only spiritual. It was a valid question but it was not for them to worry about the time, as it was up to the Father.....

Acts 1:7 (NKJV) And He said to them, "It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority.

So an earthly kingdom is indeed in view. The Davidic Covenant requires it, and Gabriel affirmed it....

2 Samuel 7:12-16 (NKJV) When your days are fulfilled and you rest with your fathers, I will set up your seed after you, who will come from your body, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build a house for My name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14 I will be his Father, and he shall be My son. If he commits iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men and with the blows of the sons of men. 15 But My mercy shall not depart from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I removed from before you. 16 And your house and your kingdom shall be established forever before you. Your throne shall be established forever."

Luke 1:32-33 (NKJV) He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. 33 And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end."

sovereigngrace said:

You are bringing zero corroboration to the table. Scripture teaches a general resurrection when Jesus comes, then the judgment, then eternity.

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yeah, right. Isaiah, Jeremiah, David, Zephaniah, etc were all full of wild blueberry muffins.

ewq1938 said:

That would be the resurrection of "the rest of the dead" who lived not again until the thousand years were finished. The earlier resurrection of Rev 20 was a group of the dead that lived again before the start of the thousand years.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

The resurrection before the thousand years.


Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

The resurrection after the thousand years.


Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The resurrection before the thousand years repeated again.

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This is a heavenly scene. It is a picture of the disembodied spirits reigning now with Christ. The dead in Christ in total ("the souls") are depicted here (both those that die through natural death and those that die through martyrdom). Collectively this redeemed host reign with Christ in glory until the physical resurrection. This therefore is a picture of the immediate state.

Copperhead said:

yeah, right. Isaiah, Jeremiah, David, Zephaniah, etc were all full of wild blueberry muffins.

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Where does any of these teach 2 resurrections separated by a thousand years?

rhern said:

Zechariah 14 King James Version (KJV)
1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives,
9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

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I see that you posted the same scriptures to more post respondents than mine. But, exactly. Verse 16 would go with my words that I posted, "those who are still alive."

sovereigngrace said:

So why are you placing it at the start? That doesn't make sense.

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what do you mean. I never placed the battle of gog and magog at the beginning. it goes Satan cast down, tribulation/4 horsemen/4 seals, then the antichrist declares himself, great tribulation/5th seal, 2nd coming of christ/first resurrection/rapture, wrath of god 7 trumpets 7 vials, destruction of babylon, battle of armageddon/beast and false prophet thrown into the lake of fire, chaining of satan into the bottomless pit, 1000 year millennial kingdom on earth, Satan loosed, battle of Gog and Magog, resurrection of life/resurrection of judgement, great white throne, eternity in new heaven and new earth.

rhern said:

Jesus said my Kingdom is not of this world.
But He will be in the Millennial Kingdom according to Zechariah 14.
What kind of Body does He have?
He appeared after the resurrection and said to the 12 Apostle I am flesh and bone
and then He ate fish

So does that mean he will be in the same state when He returns.
If He didn't want us to know He would not have appeared to the 12 apostles.
I believe he is in the same body today waiting to place His feet on the Mount of Olives Zech. 14

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What Jesus looks like is an unconnected and unasked for topic from who will populate the earth in the Millennium. So I'm ending my part of this thread.

Dave L said:

But he is now glorified and says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom.

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Yes, and that is the point I'd like to discuss.

Paul was inspired to say flesh and blood cannot inherit the KoG but Jesus (by his own testimony) has flesh and is in the Kingdom. If Jesus is then the example the resurrected body has flesh. Plug that fact into Paul's 1 Cor. 15:35-54 narrative.

Without repeating yourself about Jesus' glorified body that is still flesh and bone please tell me how you explain or reconcile this matter. Use scripture where possible and appropriate.

Btw, "I don't know" is acceptable. I'm not one inclined to neg another over an honest and forthcoming "I don't know." Alternatively, I understand any prior view of the KoG as having only spirits in it will have to be changed if Jesus has flesh and is in the kingdom. Some time could be saved with a simple acknowledgment of that fact based on the previously posted scriptures.

sovereigngrace said:

The Greek word for "first" (as in first resurrection) is protos. It is a contracted superlative meaning foremost (in time, place, order and/or importance). So, which is the "first" (or protos) resurrection
Which is the foremost resurrection in time?
Which is the foremost resurrection in place?
Which is the foremost resurrection in order?
Which is the foremost resurrection in importance?
Who is "the first resurrection" in Acts 26:23?
Who is "the firstborn from the dead" in Colossians 1:18?
Who is "the firstfruits of them that slept" in 1 Corinthians 15:20?
Who is "first begotten of the dead" in Revelation 1:5?

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And your answers are?