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Thanks for that.. But my point is.. all sin is a sin against God..

Not true. Just look at the points I made in the OP. But if you want to ignore them, but all means.

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There are no sins against the poor or starving..

Christ made it a sin due to the fact that anything you do to anyone.. you are doing to Christ.

Well, the first half of what you says is not exactly true. Matthew 25:31-46 does essentially teach that not helping the poor will result in everlasting punishment. The second half of what you wrote is true to a certain extent. Yes, helping the poor is like doing the same thing to Jesus, and it is loving one's neighbor as a part of helping the poor beat up guy on the side of the road (Luke 10:28-37), but it is still true that simply not helping the poor is enough to lead to sin and condemnation. A belief alone on Jesus will not help a believer if they refuse to help the poor in this life.
 
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Not true. Just look at the points I made in the OP. But if you want to ignore them, but all means.

No need to be rude.. but, by all means...



Well, the first half of what you says is not exactly true. Matthew 25:31-46 does essentially teach that not helping the poor will result in everlasting punishment. The second half of what you wrote is true to a certain extent. Yes, helping the poor is like doing the same thing to Jesus, and it is loving one's neighbor as a part of helping the poor beat up guy on the side of the road (Luke 10:28-37), but it is still true that simply not helping the poor is enough to lead to sin and condemnation. A belief alone on Jesus will not help a believer if they refuse to help the poor in this life.

Christ said... "whatever you do to these, you do to me"

It's all sin against God and His ways....

Even if you are rude to me... It is a sin against God because He said to "love others as yourself" and being rude... is not showing this love. So... it is a sin against His command.
 
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No need to be rude.. but, by all means...

Stating the truth that you are not addressing the OP is not being rude from God's perspective. I am merely stating the truth in love. From my perspective: Being rude is being abruptly negative all the time, and in being excessively impolite. So if I were to slander you or to speak really negative to you so as to cause harm and or out of a lack of love, I would see this as wrong. I say all I do in truth and in love.

Jesus and his apostles definitely would have come off as being rude by what they said. Jesus called men hypocrites. Paul called the Galatians as fools. The apostles bashed false beliefs that did not align with God's truth.

Paul says, "But though I be rude in speech, yet not in knowledge; but we have been throughly made manifest among you in all things." (2 Corinthians 11:6).

Granted, I do believe we should speak to others in love. We cannot come off as hateful alone like the Westboro baptist church. We should speak, and act in love. We should speak with grace seasoned with salt. If you believe I was hurtful in the way I spoke to you, then you have my apologies. What I said was not done with any ill will or malice. I am merely pointing out that you need to address the truth of the OP.

You said:
Christ said... "whatever you do to these, you do to me"

It's all sin against God and His ways....

Even if you are rude to me... It is a sin against God because He said to "love others as yourself" and being rude... is not showing this love. So... it is a sin against His command.

Why should you care about me being rude in your book if it doesn't really matter in regards to salvation? One can murder, rape, commit adultery, and steal because no sin is too big for Jesus to pay for all because one has a belief in Jesus. No need to change or live for Him. Just believe in Jesus. But we see that this kind of belief is condemned in Scripture repeatedly. Jesus said to look upon a woman in lust is enough to cause one to be cast bodily in hellfire. Jesus did not say the breaking of all of his commands (like rejoicing when persecuted) leads to spiritual death and condemnation. Jesus also did not say that it impossible to keep all of His commands so.... you just have to believe in his finished work. That is something you believe that is not explicitly stated in Scripture.

See, the whole problem with the "all sin is the same" is that you don't really even believe that. Nobody does. Nobody thinks murder is on the same level of wrong as say the sin of lying or the sin of coveting. Even Jesus says there is a greater sin (John 19:11).

Anyways, may God's good ways be upon you (even if we disagree).
 
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Why should you care about me being rude in your book if it doesn't really matter in regards to salvation? One can murder, rape, commit adultery, and steal because no sin is too big for Jesus to pay for all because one has a belief in Jesus. No need to change or live for Him. Just believe in Jesus.

If you truly believe in Jesus... you become a new creature... No true believer thinks that they have a license to sin...

Most people who say "OH, so now your saved you can just go and do all the sinning you want to"... are way off the line of "believer".

Yes... you could.. but you won't because you are a new creature and the Holy Spirit is in you.

However, this does not mean you won't sin... Cause... you will.


See, the whole problem with the "all sin is the same" is that you don't really even believe that.

Oh, really? Tell me more about what I think.

Nobody does. Nobody thinks murder is on the same level of wrong as say the sin of lying or the sin of coveting.

Well, as I said.. To man... to the government of The USA or Canada or the UK or anywhere.. you are right.. Murder is not the same as lying...

However, if two people walked this earth and one only lied once and never did one other sin... and the other never sinned once except for one murder that they committed.... both are damned and need salvation through the blood of Jesus. [/quote]

Even Jesus says there is a greater sin (John 19:11).

Christ is speaking of the Jewish law... Pilate was scared to convict Him.

Anyways, may God's good ways be upon you (even if we disagree).
God Bless you too.
 
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If you truly believe in Jesus... you become a new creature... No true believer thinks that they have a license to sin...

Most people who say "OH, so now your saved you can just go and do all the sinning you want to"... are way off the line of "believer".

Yes... you could.. but you won't because you are a new creature and the Holy Spirit is in you.

However, this does not mean you won't sin... Cause... you will.

No offense, but you are proposing two contradictory statements here.
On the one hand you are saying that a believer will not "just go and do all the sinning you want to" and yet on the other hand, you say that "you will" (i.e. you will sin). Surely you believe that you don't lose salvation via by sin, so this means that you are contradicting the first statement you made. You are saying that no believer will go and do al the sinning they want to, and yet that is exactly what they can essentially do because you believe they will always sin and still be saved while doing so.

You said:
Oh, really? Tell me more about what I think.

It is true. Have you ever gotten upset over somebody being murdered or abused, or over a child that was hurt (or put in danger)? Can you say that you feel the same level of hatred if somebody said something not exactly true so as to avoid you, or if they told you that they looked at another in lust?

You said:
Well, as I said.. To man... to the government of The USA or Canada or the UK or anywhere.. you are right.. Murder is not the same as lying...

Which proves my point.

However, if two people walked this earth and one only lied once and never did one other sin... and the other never sinned once except for one murder that they committed.... both are damned and need salvation through the blood of Jesus.

Yes, all sin needed to be atoned for, and it was by Jesus on the cross. But a person needs to exercise faith in Jesus, and then continue to be faithful to Him in order for the sacrifice to be applied to their entire lives (Romans 3:25) (1 John 1:7). But not all sin leads to spiritual death. See 1 John 5:16-17.

You said:
Christ is speaking of the Jewish law... Pilate was scared to convict Him.

I disagree. Christ is speaking of Judas and his betrayal. Judas was guilty of committing the greater sin because he betrayed Jesus.

You said:
God Bless you too.

Thank you.
 
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No offense, but you are proposing two contradictory statements here.
On the one hand you are saying that a believer will not "just go and do all the sinning you want to" and yet on the other hand, you say that "you will" (i.e. you will sin). Surely you believe that you don't lose salvation via by sin, so this means that you are contradicting the first statement you made. You are saying that no believer will go and do al the sinning they want to, and yet that is exactly what they can essentially do because you believe they will always sin and still be saved while doing so.

No, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that those who are believers, although they try are still unable to live sinless.

Even though we try, we cannot.. stop.. Christ even made it more clear by saying that even if you look at a woman with lust.. you have committed adultery in your heart...

A person who only told one lie in their entire life, and then denies Christ.. dies to damnation.

A person who has murdered 100's and then, turns and admits to Christ and asks for forgiveness, will be saved.

Nobody can do enough on their own to save their soul..

Nobody can do so much sin that Christ's blood cannot save them.





It is true. Have you ever gotten upset over somebody being murdered or abused, or over a child that was hurt (or put in danger)? Can you say that you feel the same level of hatred if somebody said something not exactly true so as to avoid you, or if they told you that they looked at another in lust?

Man has levels of sin.. man looks on one thing to be more sinful than the other..

However, God is not man... He sees us only as one of two things...
We are either held as righteous based on the blood of His son..

or

we are sinners...and blemished, unrighteous.

Yes, all sin needed to be atoned for, and it was by Jesus on the cross. But a person needs to exercise faith in Jesus, and then continue to be faithful to Him in order for the sacrifice to be applied to their entire lives (Romans 3:25) (1 John 1:7). But not all sin leads to spiritual death. See 1 John 5:16-17.

As Christians, believers in Christ, we have been purchased by His blood... Nobody can snatch us away..

Our works will never save us. Nor will they finish the work of our salvation... Once we are saved.. it is finished.

Many struggle more than others.. Some seem saved even though they deny Christ.. Others.. even when saved, have trouble walking as Christ walked..

God knows their heart.. not us.. we cannot look at the deeds of people and say.. their saved or their not saved.. We don't know the struggles they face, the past scars of the heart that are yet to deal with..

Only man gives levels of sin... a simple lie will damn you... a simple prayer showing faith in Jesus Christ... saves you.



I disagree. Christ is speaking of Judas and his betrayal. Judas was guilty of committing the greater sin because he betrayed Jesus.

Judas could have been saved.. just as easily as Peter for denial of knowing Christ, or grandma down the street for saying [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse].

The sins under the law had different ranks... not after the death of Christ.



Thank you.
And you.
 
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