MrsFoundit
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If science is not required to casually use the word "know" over irrelevances, but it is basically the only way to establish any truth of any significance, surely the honest answer in the first place was "yes"?
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Is Science the Only Means of Knowing?
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If science is not required to casually use the word "know" over irrelevances, but it is basically the only way to establish any truth of any significance, surely the honest answer in the first place was "yes"?
yeshuaslavejeff
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What is someone's confidence in? Who said to you that science is reliable to establish any truth at all ?
Or that anything from man's ways is "significant" for the LIFE YAHWEH GIVES ?
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MrsFoundit
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I have told you my own opinion is in post number 11.
Again, I point out to you, that part you have quoted is not a statement of my own opinion, it is a point about a post made by someone else.
Read the thread.
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That would be sweet.
Yes and no. I can't think of a case where someone would run a test because they don't want to know something. So, specifying a test seems only to be specifying the means by which you will acquire your knowledge.
Only because the conversation I linked to prompted it. That's all.
This is one of those cases where I ask myself if I should let sleeping dogs lie. You answered my question, and I appreciate that. I don't want to give the impression I feel otherwise.
But with respect to your add-on about "hard" questions, I think there are hard questions science can't answer - many of them involving how we humans relate to one another.
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yeshuaslavejeff
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Do you know how to find out if the ingredients you use are harmful ? (you can do the test yourself)
Realize that most adulterated food today, with or without pesticides, may be harmful to you ....
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yeshuaslavejeff
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haha.... touche'.....
I agree that science cannot know as Scripture Reveals - I was hoping you already knew some of the context, specific chapters, that clearly show this.
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MrsFoundit
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1 Corinthians 2:14 The natural man does not accept the things ...
The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to ... And he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. ... a one cannot grasp spiritual truth
I am fine with this.
Or these,
11 Top Bible Verses about Knowledge, Wisdom and Education - Scriptures
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First, whether something is irrelevant or not, we can still say that we know it. Second, while something like "I know that it is raining because I am standing outside in the rain" may be a simple exercise in thought and not require the use of the scientific method, that does not mean it is an irrelevancy. Indeed, I would say that knowing whether it is raining or not, as well as many other simple-to-observe facts are of great importance. And thirdly, I did not say that science is basically the only way to establish any truth of any significance, I said it was one of the best ways, two others being maths and logic.
I am not an obsession expert by any means, but this seems to me to be a fairly straightforward issue, and I'm still not entirely sure why we're debating it, or disagreeing over it.
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The huge number of non-Christians who (according to the OP) postulate that "science is the only way of knowing" seem to have left the house.
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Do you know there is a difference between non-Christians and atheists?
Can you see many non-Christian votes in the poll?
Your ability to assess data is insufficient to convince me of its existence.
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Well, to be fair, I have seen atheists on this forum, whose views I respect very much, who might say that science is the only real way to know anything. I suspect that any difference in views is based more on semantics, and is in reality much less than it seems.
I also think this is not a profitable discuss, leading us away from the really important question, which is that the scientific method is the best method we have for answering the difficult questions. Yes, there are questions that science cannot answer, but nor can anything else. Religion says that it can, but its answers are usually based on nothing more than assertion. I invite Christians to give an example, if they are able, of an important question about life that religion is able to answer, but science is not.
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I’ve always been confused by this. What knowledge has God revealed that is not simply rules to abide by to not go to Hell or things that have been shown to be false (like the Earth being 6000 years old)?
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Are you not familiar with the large and important chunk of history which shows how science has revolutionised our understanding of the world, revealing truths which religion did nothing at to even hint at for thousands of years?
What has science done for you lately?
Electricity. Plastic. Fighting famine and disease. Science has revolutionised the world we live in.
So yes. Science is very reliable for establishing truth.
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@Resha Caner I have not voted since I found none of the options available adequately described my position. The following observations may help to define that position, though I'm not optimistic.
1. I find myself closely aligned with much of what @InterestedAtheist has said.
2. I fear that there is a universe of ambiguity and contradiction lurking in the word "know". Thus, I don't really know if I know what you mean by knowing. (And down the rabbit hole we go, passing on the way the bald man who had rabbits tattooed on his head, since - from a distance - they might look like hares.)
3. Then I consider the related words, belief and acceptance. I don't know anything, if know implies a high level of certainty. I don't believe anything, except in a colloquial sense. I do accept many things, especially those established (provisionally) by science as being the currently most probable explanation for observations and thus, as a pragmatic exercise, I shall pretend they are true. I don't know they are true. I doubt I can ever know they are true, but most of the time it would be foolish to pretend they were not. (Lead weights fall down, helium balloons fall up. All bets are off in micro-gravity.)
1. I find myself closely aligned with much of what @InterestedAtheist has said.
2. I fear that there is a universe of ambiguity and contradiction lurking in the word "know". Thus, I don't really know if I know what you mean by knowing. (And down the rabbit hole we go, passing on the way the bald man who had rabbits tattooed on his head, since - from a distance - they might look like hares.)
3. Then I consider the related words, belief and acceptance. I don't know anything, if know implies a high level of certainty. I don't believe anything, except in a colloquial sense. I do accept many things, especially those established (provisionally) by science as being the currently most probable explanation for observations and thus, as a pragmatic exercise, I shall pretend they are true. I don't know they are true. I doubt I can ever know they are true, but most of the time it would be foolish to pretend they were not. (Lead weights fall down, helium balloons fall up. All bets are off in micro-gravity.)
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