What important doctrine or truth is not being taught in the churches today?
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Well that's an interesting point, because perfect love is what it's about. The Bible's really a romance (on a literary analysis), despite those who want it to be a tragedy. And true love requires consistent long-term obedience, devotion, care and compassion, self-sacrifice and TRUST (Lord have mercy on us!). So I'd agree that the version of divine love preached is often too sentimentalised, false and empty.
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I would change the language from "not being taught" to "not being emphasized" I would argue that all have doctrinal stances on pretty much all things and each thing gets taught in one way or another through the various activities of the church.
To me, the modern church's greatest loss is a misfocus of self-preservation and building mini kingdoms rather than releasing themselves outward and having a greater emphasis on spreading the gospel. Churches have massive budgets, salaried positions that leave you scratching your head and mass amount of spending inward to keep themselves getting bigger and only a small amount going outward often hidden in programs of a church.
here is a small video showing some of these imbalances of the church and how we are too focused on keeping our buildings and programs growing rather than impacting others for Christ.
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But He would not lie, right? Would you call these verses "amillenialist verses"?
"...In no wise will ye have completed the cities of Israel, until the Son of man be come."
Mt 10:23
"For the Son of man is about to come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Verily I say unto you, There are some of those standing here, who in no wise shall taste of death, until they have seen the Son of man coming in his kingdom."
Mt 16:27
"...and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."
1 Thes 5:23
"Now these things happened to them as types and were written for our admonition, to whom the ends of the ages are arrived."
1Cor 10:11
"...the time is near."
Rev 1:3
"And, behold, I come quickly;"
Rev 22:12
"...Surely I am coming quickly."
Rev 22:20
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If you are a believer and you do not know the 6 "milk" doctrines I mentioned in my previous post and your church is not teaching them... there is no question that these are the most important teachings you need to dwell on until you get them into your heart and mind. Do not take my word for it, take Paul's and the Holy Spirit. Paul states in no uncertain terms that if you are not fully conversant with these 6 doctrines, then you are a baby. That it is. A doctrinal baby who needs to feed on this milk until you are strong enough to endure meat. You cannot take meat and as Paul says in chapter 6, there is a good chance God will not allow you to go on to the mature doctrine. You will choke on it to your own destruction.
I taught these foundational doctrines in an online school back in the 90s (The Berean Online Bible School), and have since put the material into a series of books. What follows is a excerpt from the first of those books:
Hebrews 5 (ASV)
10 named of God a high priest after the order of Melchizedek.
11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard of interpretation, seeing ye are become dull of hearing.
12 For when by reason of the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need again that some one teach you the rudiments of the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of solid food.
13 For every one that partaketh of milk is without experience of the word of righteousness; for he is a babe.
14 But solid food is for fullgrown men, [even] those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern good and evil.
In these verses are some very important truths. The author (whom we believe to be Paul) is about to launch into a wonderful teaching concerning Jesus in the High Priest office after the order of Melchizedek. He stops short, and tells the Hebrew Christians:
"..Of whom we have many things to say, and hard of interpretation, seeing ye are become dull of hearing..."
This is a diagnosis of the word maturity of these believers. The scriptures reveal in numerous places that truth is progressive according to the ability of the hearer to receive.
Jesus spoke to the disciples and said:
John 16:12
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
They could not yet bear the truth. Paul told the Christians in Corinth something similar:
1 Corinthians 3:2 (ASV)
I fed you with milk, not with meat; for ye were not yet able [to bear it]: nay, not even now are ye able;
Concerning the writings of Paul, Peter wrote:
2 Peter 3:16
as also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; wherein are some things hard to be understood, which the ignorant and unstedfast wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
(And therein reveal a danger in delving into a level of revelation that one is not ready to receive: "...which the ignorant and unstedfast wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction...") Also realize that if you do not know these first principles, Paul says you are ignorant. That is hard speech, but true!
Paul, speaking to these Hebrew Christians, revealed more about their doctrinal learning:
Hebrews 5:12 (KJS)
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which [be] the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
Some significant revelation here:
1. People should "by reason of time" be capable of teaching these truths to others.
2. There are teachings which are referred to as the "first principles of the oracles of God"
3. There are priorities in these teachings, in that these believers needed to be taught "...which [be] the first principles..."
4. The first principles are called milk
5. There are higher principles which are called "strong meat".
Hebrews 6 1
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, LET US GO ON UNTO PERFECTION
And the author exhorts in 6:1-3 that we go on from the first principles of the doctrine of Christ, "unto perfection". We will see that he is not talking about "spiritual perfection" here, rather he is speaking about doctrinal maturity: or a complete revelation of the principles of Christ. Then there is the dark saying in vs 3:
"This we will do, if God permits..."
Please note. God may not allow you to "Go on to perfection" (that is mature) doctrine. The mature doctrine will be build upon the foundations listed in Heb 6:1-2
Hebrews 6:
1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
These are the 6 baby doctrines that you MUST know before you will be able to go on to the deeper and higher doctrines, that is the mature, meat doctrines.
This is the "milk."
The "first principles of the oracles of God."
The "principles of the doctrine of Christ."
Down through the years I have had many "heresy hunters" who set themselves up as doctrinal policemen. They presumed to dictate and judge preachers and teachers. Yet without exception, when queried, not one of them (to date) could correctly state the "first principles of the oracles of God" as they are listed here. Not One! I would simply state to them the truth.
"You are still a baby. Go learn your milk and then when you can endure the meat, return and judge others. Until then = You are not qualified."
That may seem harsh, until you realize that failing to learn these 6 teachings might prevent you from "going on to mature doctrine." You just "cannot bare it" yet. It is "to weighty for you." It is meat and you are a baby with no teeth and cannot receive it yet. Attempting to do so may destroy you. How many cults have grown up because teachers did not know these basis 6 teachings.
I am not trying to be mean or harsh. I am just pointing out what has to be done, and how easy it is to do it. Learn these 6 teachings in depth and become conversant in them.
I taught these foundational doctrines in an online school back in the 90s (The Berean Online Bible School), and have since put the material into a series of books. What follows is a excerpt from the first of those books:
Hebrews 5 (ASV)
10 named of God a high priest after the order of Melchizedek.
11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard of interpretation, seeing ye are become dull of hearing.
12 For when by reason of the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need again that some one teach you the rudiments of the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of solid food.
13 For every one that partaketh of milk is without experience of the word of righteousness; for he is a babe.
14 But solid food is for fullgrown men, [even] those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern good and evil.
In these verses are some very important truths. The author (whom we believe to be Paul) is about to launch into a wonderful teaching concerning Jesus in the High Priest office after the order of Melchizedek. He stops short, and tells the Hebrew Christians:
"..Of whom we have many things to say, and hard of interpretation, seeing ye are become dull of hearing..."
This is a diagnosis of the word maturity of these believers. The scriptures reveal in numerous places that truth is progressive according to the ability of the hearer to receive.
Jesus spoke to the disciples and said:
John 16:12
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
They could not yet bear the truth. Paul told the Christians in Corinth something similar:
1 Corinthians 3:2 (ASV)
I fed you with milk, not with meat; for ye were not yet able [to bear it]: nay, not even now are ye able;
Concerning the writings of Paul, Peter wrote:
2 Peter 3:16
as also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; wherein are some things hard to be understood, which the ignorant and unstedfast wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
(And therein reveal a danger in delving into a level of revelation that one is not ready to receive: "...which the ignorant and unstedfast wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction...") Also realize that if you do not know these first principles, Paul says you are ignorant. That is hard speech, but true!
Paul, speaking to these Hebrew Christians, revealed more about their doctrinal learning:
Hebrews 5:12 (KJS)
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which [be] the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
Some significant revelation here:
1. People should "by reason of time" be capable of teaching these truths to others.
2. There are teachings which are referred to as the "first principles of the oracles of God"
3. There are priorities in these teachings, in that these believers needed to be taught "...which [be] the first principles..."
4. The first principles are called milk
5. There are higher principles which are called "strong meat".
Hebrews 6 1
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, LET US GO ON UNTO PERFECTION
And the author exhorts in 6:1-3 that we go on from the first principles of the doctrine of Christ, "unto perfection". We will see that he is not talking about "spiritual perfection" here, rather he is speaking about doctrinal maturity: or a complete revelation of the principles of Christ. Then there is the dark saying in vs 3:
"This we will do, if God permits..."
Please note. God may not allow you to "Go on to perfection" (that is mature) doctrine. The mature doctrine will be build upon the foundations listed in Heb 6:1-2
Hebrews 6:
1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
These are the 6 baby doctrines that you MUST know before you will be able to go on to the deeper and higher doctrines, that is the mature, meat doctrines.
- repentance from dead works,
- faith toward God,
- the doctrine of baptisms,
- laying on of hands,
- resurrection of the dead,
- eternal judgment.
This is the "milk."
The "first principles of the oracles of God."
The "principles of the doctrine of Christ."
Down through the years I have had many "heresy hunters" who set themselves up as doctrinal policemen. They presumed to dictate and judge preachers and teachers. Yet without exception, when queried, not one of them (to date) could correctly state the "first principles of the oracles of God" as they are listed here. Not One! I would simply state to them the truth.
"You are still a baby. Go learn your milk and then when you can endure the meat, return and judge others. Until then = You are not qualified."
That may seem harsh, until you realize that failing to learn these 6 teachings might prevent you from "going on to mature doctrine." You just "cannot bare it" yet. It is "to weighty for you." It is meat and you are a baby with no teeth and cannot receive it yet. Attempting to do so may destroy you. How many cults have grown up because teachers did not know these basis 6 teachings.
I am not trying to be mean or harsh. I am just pointing out what has to be done, and how easy it is to do it. Learn these 6 teachings in depth and become conversant in them.
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Of course not. Think of the timetable which he told the disciples in Matthew, being interrupted by God the Father to save the gentiles, independent of the Jews, after Stephen was stoned.
Paul explained this mystery plan kept hidden by God in places like Romans 16:25
Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
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Not sure what you are saying. That Jesus and Paul were mistaken about the time of Jesus' return?
Do you know what the Old Testament says about a prophet who says a prophecy that will not happen? Nothing nice.
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What Jesus said in Matthew will still be coming true, during the Tribulation. In the original timetable, it was suppose to come at Pentecost, recall Peter quoted Joel in Acts 2:20
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:
The day of the Lord represents the tribulation. The early days in Acts were originally thought to be the "end days" during that time.
But God the Father revealed the mystery plan, as stated in Romans 16:25, only after Stephen was stoned. The day of the Lord will now be postponed until after the church is raptured.
Then yes, all of what Jesus said in Matthew when he quoted Daniel 70th week, will come true.
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So, you say that Jesus and Paul were amillenialists and preterists, but then Father stepped in and changed it, after the New Testament was already written?
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I am saying Jesus already knew about the mystery plan, since he was 100% God, but he knew he could not reveal it until he ascended to heaven and saved Paul in Acts 9, and revealed that mystery to him over the years.
Jesus already hinted to the 12 about all these additional revelations in John 16:12
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We are not talking about "not revealing", we are talking about false prophecies and promises. Can you see the difference?
He said He will return in the first century. This is not "not revealing", this is a promise.
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