What is the proper interpretation of Exodus 20:4?

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"Thous shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in Heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth."

I was into the occult for a short time and I understand why drawing certain symbols like the pentagram is a sin, but what about the likeness of that which is in Heaven? Like, is that saying it's a sin to wear a necklace with an image of the moon (I have heard a pastor say that) or that we should avoid making artistic representations of the angels or what?
 

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Exodus 20:4
"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image - As the word פסל pasal signifies to hew, carve, grave, etc., פסל pesel may here signify any kind of image, either of wood, stone, or metal, on which the axe, the chisel, or the graving tool has been employed. This commandment includes in its prohibitions every species of idolatry known to have been practiced among the Egyptians. The reader will see this the more plainly by consulting the notes on the ten plagues, particularly those on Exodus 12.

Or any likeness, etc. - To know the full spirit and extent of this commandment, this place must be collated with Deu_4:15, etc.: Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves - lest ye corrupt yourselves - and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of Male or Female. All who have even the slightest acquaintance with the ancient history of Egypt, know that Osiris and his wife Isis were supreme divinities among that people.

The likeness of any Beast - בהמה behemah, such as the ox and the heifer. Among the Egyptians the ox was not only sacred but adored, because they supposed that in one of these animals Osiris took up his residence: hence they always had a living ox, which they supposed to be the habitation of this deity; and they imagined that on the death of one he entered into the body of another, and so on successively. This famous ox-god they called Apis and Mnevis.

The likeness of any winged Fowl - The ibis, or stork, or crane, and hawk, may be here intended, for all these were objects of Egyptian idolatry.

The likeness of any thing that Creepeth - The crocodile, serpents, the scarabeus or beetle, were all objects of their adoration; and Mr. Bryant has rendered it very probable that even the frog itself was a sacred animal, as from its inflation it was emblematic of the prophetic influence, for they supposed that the god inflated or distended the body of the person by whom he gave oracular answers.
The likeness of any Fish - All fish were esteemed sacred animals among the Egyptians. One called Oxurunchus had, according to Strabo, lib. xvii., a temple, and divine honors paid to it. Another fish, called Phagrus, was worshipped at Syene, according to Clemens Alexandrinus in his Cohortatio. And the Lepidotus and eel were objects of their adoration, as we find from Herodotus, lib. ii., cap. 72. In short, oxen, heifers, sheep, goats, lions, dogs, monkeys, and cats; the ibis, the crane, and the hawk; the crocodile, serpents, frogs, flies, and the scarabeus or beetle; the Nile and its fish; the sun, moon, planets, and stars; fire, light, air, darkness, and night, were all objects of Egyptian idolatry, and all included in this very circumstantial prohibition as detailed in Deuteronomy, and very forcibly in the general terms of the text: Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in the Heavens above, or that is in the Earth beneath, or that is in the Water under the earth. And the reason of this becomes self-evident, when the various objects of Egyptian idolatry are considered.

To countenance its image worship, the Roman Catholic Church has left the whole of this second commandment out of the decalogue, and thus lost one whole commandment out of the ten; but to keep up the number they have divided the tenth into two. This is totally contrary to the faith of God’s elect and to the acknowledgment of that truth which is according to godliness. The verse is found in every MS. of the Hebrew Pentateuch that has ever yet been discovered. It is in all the ancient versions, Samaritan, Chaldee, Syriac, Septuagint, Vulgate, Coptic, and Arabic; also in the Persian, and in all modern versions. There is not one word of the whole verse wanting in the many hundreds of MSS. collected by Kennicott and De Rossi. This corruption of the word of God by the Roman Catholic Church stamps it, as a false and heretical Church, with the deepest brand of ever-during infamy! This commandment also prohibits every species of external idolatry, as the first does all idolatry that may be called internal or mental. All false worship may be considered of this kind, together with all image worship, and all other superstitious rites and ceremonies. See Clarke’s note on Exo_20:23."

From Adam Clarke
 
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"Thous shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in Heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth."

I was into the occult for a short time and I understand why drawing certain symbols like the pentagram is a sin, but what about the likeness of that which is in Heaven? Like, is that saying it's a sin to wear a necklace with an image of the moon (I have heard a pastor say that) or that we should avoid making artistic representations of the angels or what?

Why do you want to wear a necklace with an image of the sun or moon or stars etc on it?

What is the purpose of hose images?
I have several neck ties bought from different charities because I support those charities.
I don't wear badges or ties, sweatshirts etc from organisations I don't support.

It is the same for Christians, do pagans identify your moon necklace as indicating a fellow worshipper of the moon etc etc.
 
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To countenance its image worship, the Roman Catholic Church has left the whole of this second commandment out of the decalogue, and thus lost one whole commandment out of the ten; but to keep up the number they have divided the tenth into two.

Daniel 7:25
And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
 
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Why do you want to wear a necklace with an image of the sun or moon or stars etc on it?

What is the purpose of hose images?
I have several neck ties bought from different charities because I support those charities.
I don't wear badges or ties, sweatshirts etc from organisations I don't support.

It is the same for Christians, do pagans identify your moon necklace as indicating a fellow worshipper of the moon etc etc.
I don't, I'm asking on behalf of those who do.

In the absence of image worship, the purpose of the image would be pleasure, artistry, those such things.

If I assumed a person worshiped the moon based off a necklace or a pattern on a tie, I would be presumptuous. Plenty of people wear, draw, and make sculptures and paintings and such of those images for pleasure, which I have not been given reason to see as idolatry. I have not found any scriptures except Exodus 20:5, which says in reference to graven images, "You shall not bow down and worship them," speaking explicitly of how to put the sin of idolatry into practice. Certainly it is a sin to bow down and worship the moon or anything other than God, but what scriptural evidence is there to support the idea that a woman who wears a ring or necklace with an image of the moon is guilty of idolatry if they do not worship the moon? That's my real question.

For example, does an artist who paints a star, then kneels before it, singing chants and burning incense unto it, differ from an artist who paints a star and says, "Hey, that looks cool?" Based on Exodus 20:5, it would seem the difference between the two is idolatry. BUT - Exodus 20:5 is the only supporting scripture I know of regarding this. I was hoping to find more.
 
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