Several Questions

Seeker2003

Member
Dec 25, 2019
7
10
20
England
✟8,612.00
Country
United Kingdom
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Private
Hello It's Seeker/Dave I wasn't sure where to put this but several people said to post such things here I want to check if I understand several things correctly and ask about things I'm not sure about.

1.The purpose Of God's Son-So the way I understand this is people sin so therefore god has every right to punish them but god in his mercy wants to give people a way out through his son who was totally innocent who suffered the punishment that mankind deserved and his blood is given as a ticket for the repented and changed sinner so that he can be fixed and after death go to heaven instead of hell.

2.Purpose of the bible the old and new testaments are God's information and guide book to guide the people to him and to help the believer live a righteous life.

3.I have heard Arguments that the holy day for Christians was originally Saturday but that Constantine changed it to Sunday so that he could make pagens join the church as Sunday was a pagan worship day is this true?

4.If one sins after being born again does that previous regeneration become null and does the person need to be born again for the second time or do they simply need to repent and ask for forgiveness?

5.Baptism-Is ok to baptisze children or is it just for adults i think it should be for adults as a baby cannot make an intellectual descion for christ

6. Baptism2- is water baptism
necessary for salvation or Is it purely symbolic Christ and the apostles preached baptism but the theif crucified at Christs side was not baptised yet christ promised to save him.

Thank u for taking the time to read this
Praised be the Lord Jesus Christ.
 

St_Worm2

Simul Justus et Peccator
Site Supporter
Jan 28, 2002
27,420
45,387
67
✟2,925,290.00
Country
United States
Faith
Calvinist
Marital Status
Married
1.The purpose Of God's Son-So the way I understand this is people sin so therefore god has every right to punish them but god in his mercy wants to give people a way out through his son who was totally innocent who suffered the punishment that mankind deserved and his blood is given as a ticket for the repented and changed sinner so that he can be fixed and after death go to heaven instead of hell.
Hello Seeker/Dave, that's a big part of it :)

There are two things (principally) that Jesus saves us from, our sins (on this side of the grave), and from His Father's wrath in the age to come .. e.g. Romans 5:8-10.

We need to be both innocent and righteous to be reconciled to God, as well to stand in the presence of our holy God in eternity. The problem is, we are neither (innocent or righteous). That's why Jesus came here, to live a perfectly righteous life before His Father for us/on our behalf (the life that we were supposed to lead before Him), and then to die on the Cross to atone for our sins, our sins then being imputed or credited to Jesus' account, while His righteousness is imputed/credited to our accounts .. 2 Corinthians 5:21 (see below). IOW, He came to save us by doing for us what we could not do for ourselves.

Therefore, Jesus is our only innocence, our only righteousness, and the only atonement and satisfaction for our sins.

God bless you! (1 Thessalonians 5:23-24)

--David
p.s. - as a bit of an aside, along with saving us from the penalty of our sins, God changes us (when He saves us) by giving us a new, spiritual nature .. cf Ephesians 4:22-24 and, by doing so, saves us from our desire to continue to sin and/or live in sin ... in this life. We are born dead (spiritually) in sin and are "by nature, children of wrath" .. Ephesians 2:1-3, that is until He quickens/regenerates/makes us alive in His Son .. Ephesians 2:4-5. He does this by giving us a new heart and a new spirit, as well the Holy Spirit and the mind of Christ .. Ezekiel 36:26-27; 1 Corinthians 2:12-16. In doing so, He causes us to be born again, declares us just, and makes us into His workmanship (masterpiece) as wholly new creatures in Christ .. John 3:3; Ephesians 2:10; 2 Corinthians 5:17.


quote-my-hope-lives-not-because-i-am-not-a-sinner-but-because-i-am-a-sinner-for-whom-christ-charles-spurgeon-57-36-33.jpg


He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf,
so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

2 Corinthians 5:21
.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

St_Worm2

Simul Justus et Peccator
Site Supporter
Jan 28, 2002
27,420
45,387
67
✟2,925,290.00
Country
United States
Faith
Calvinist
Marital Status
Married
4. If one sins after being born again does that previous regeneration become null and does the person need to be born again for the second time or do they simply need to repent and ask for forgiveness?
Hello again Dave, since this question is similar to #1, I'll answer it as well. The answers to the above questions respectively are 1. no and 2. yes.

Once you are born, you cannot become, unborn, physically or spiritually. God promises to glorify all who He graciously saves (justifies) .. e.g. Romans 8:29-30. We, in fact, come into possession of "eternal life" (NOT temporal or probationary life) from the moment that we first hear & believe .. e.g. John 5:24.

Whenever we sin (as Christians), we confess our sins and ask God to forgive us .. 1 John 1:9, not to regain our salvation (because, thanks to God, that cannot be lost .. John 6:37-40, 10:27-28; 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24; Hebrews 7:25; 1 John 5:13), but to reestablish our (full) fellowship with Him (the One who loves us and saved us to be His sons and daughters by adoption .. e.g. John 1:12; Ephesians 1:4-6).

--David

John 6:37-40 (excerpt)
ALL that the Father gives Me will come to Me and .. of ALL that He has given Me, I LOSE NOTHING, but raise it up on the last day.
.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: Call me Nic
Upvote 0

Bob Carabbio

Old guy -
Dec 22, 2010
2,271
568
81
Glenn Hts. TX
✟35,309.00
Country
United States
Faith
Charismatic
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
1.The purpose Of God's Son-So the way I understand this is people sin so therefore god has every right to punish them but god in his mercy wants to give people a way out through his son who was totally innocent who suffered the punishment that mankind deserved and his blood is given as a ticket for the repented and changed sinner so that he can be fixed and after death go to heaven instead of hell.

Accurate as far as it goes. Jesus' crucifixion was a SIN OFFERING, and by putting the FAITH that GOd gives us to be saved in the sacrifice, we are completely CLEANSED from our SIN, and are then perfect befor the Lord by FAITH in Jesus' sacrifice.

2.Purpose of the bible the old and new testaments are God's information and guide book to guide the people to him and to help the believer live a righteous life.

More specifically the OLD testament is a record of God employing several methods of leadership over his "Chosen People", and the people Failing completely to become righteous, or demonstrating any capability whatsoever of following God's ordinances. It ends with a threat of a CURSE. The NEW testament begins with the Ressurection of Jesus, and up to that point the "Gospels" are essentially OLD TESTAMENT Scriptures.

3.I have heard Arguments that the holy day for Christians was originally Saturday but that Constantine changed it to Sunday so that he could make pagens join the church as Sunday was a pagan worship day is this true?

Endless controversy - the "Sabbath DAY" was an "antitype" of Jesus, where people "Rested from their religious activity". It was specifically from Sundown FRIDAY until Sundown Saturday. The Jewish "Sabbath" NEVER CHANGED.

Christians, and particularly GENTILE CHRISTIANS NEVER HAD a "Sabbath", and it was not imposed on the gentile church by the Jewish Christians. Whether Constantine was ever even a "Christian" or not is controversial, but he did embrace (at least in a political sense) the Christian religious system.

4.If one sins after being born again does that previous regeneration become null and does the person need to be born again for the second time or do they simply need to repent and ask for forgiveness?

The Christian who sins (all of us do) only needs to confess, Repent, and by FAITH they will be cleansed of their sin by our ADVOCATE (Jesus).

5.Baptism-Is ok to baptisze children or is it just for adults i think it should be for adults as a baby cannot make an intellectual descion for christ

Paedobaptism (babies) is a Catholic invention without spiritual merit. There's NO SUCH THING as "Original sin" and infant baptism doesn't "cleanse it". BELIEVERS (born again Christians) are the ones who should be Baptized.

6. Baptism2- is water baptism necessary for salvation or Is it purely symbolic Christ and the apostles preached baptism but the theif crucified at Christs side was not baptised yet christ promised to save him.

Another controversial issue. Salvation (being Born Again) is by FAITH given by God when, under conviction od SIN and Judgement, a person Repents, surrenders, and calls out in FAITH for salvation. Baptism isn't involved, and in and of itself saves NOBODY since it's just another religious ritual. The "Church work-around for the theif is that "he was an exceptional case" - which, in fact, he wasn't - it was his FAITH that saved him.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Seeker2003
Upvote 0

d taylor

Well-Known Member
Oct 16, 2018
10,666
4,717
59
Mississippi
✟250,675.00
Country
United States
Faith
Protestant
Marital Status
Single
I will not address any of your question directly.

But if you are looking for Eternal Life (salvation as many call it).

The Bible states that for a person to be given Eternal Life from God.
They must believe that Jesus is the promised Messiah from the Old Testament prophecies and trust in The Messiah for the gift of His Eternal Life.

If a person does that they have Eternal Life never to lose it and have crossed over from death to life.

John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the
right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:

John 1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

John 2:23,24,25 Now when He was in Jerusalem at the Passover, during the feast, many believed in His name when they saw the signs which He did. 24 But Jesus did not commit Himself to them, because He knew all men, 25 and had no need that anyone should testify of man, for He knew what was in man.

John 3:14,15 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in Him should
not perish but have eternal life.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

John 3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

John 3:18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 3:36 He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

John 5:39,40
You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.

John 6:28,29
Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”
Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
 
  • Like
Reactions: Seeker2003
Upvote 0

ViaCrucis

Confessional Lutheran
Oct 2, 2011
37,427
26,867
Pacific Northwest
✟731,303.00
Country
United States
Faith
Lutheran
Marital Status
In Relationship
Politics
US-Others
Hello It's Seeker/Dave I wasn't sure where to put this but several people said to post such things here I want to check if I understand several things correctly and ask about things I'm not sure about.

1.The purpose Of God's Son-So the way I understand this is people sin so therefore god has every right to punish them but god in his mercy wants to give people a way out through his son who was totally innocent who suffered the punishment that mankind deserved and his blood is given as a ticket for the repented and changed sinner so that he can be fixed and after death go to heaven instead of hell.

That's one perspective. There are actually several different what are called "Theories of the Atonement", the one you're describing sounds like what's known as Penal Substitution Theory. All Christians agree that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior, and that by His death and resurrection our sins are forgiven, that we have peace with God, and the hope and promise of eternal life with God. But the "specifics" are debated.

But, in essence, yes: Man, because of sin, is estranged from God; but God in His love for the world wants to rescue, redeem, and heal the world. And so God sent His Son, Jesus Christ, born of the Virgin Mary to rescue us from sin, death, and the devil. He lived, He was arrested, He was crucified, dead, buried, and three days later rose from the dead victorious over sin, death, hell, and the devil. And we are invited to share in His life and victory, with our sins forgiven, restored to communion with God, with our hope that even as Jesus rose from the dead God will also raise us from the dead at the conclusion of history, when God makes all things new.

2.Purpose of the bible the old and new testaments are God's information and guide book to guide the people to him and to help the believer live a righteous life.

Kind of, and some might argue that. I'd instead say that the Bible is a collection of many different books which have been accepted, received, and read down through the centuries which God's people--the Christian Church--have received as faithfully conveying and containing God's word. In them we hear God's commandments of how we ought to conduct ourselves as good neighbors toward our fellow man, as well as hear God's promises to us, of our hope and salvation in Jesus. In fact, the most important thing about the Bible is that it points us to Jesus. The Bible is about Jesus.

3.I have heard Arguments that the holy day for Christians was originally Saturday but that Constantine changed it to Sunday so that he could make pagens join the church as Sunday was a pagan worship day is this true?

This isn't true. Christians have gathered together on the first day of the week (in English we call this day "Sunday") since the time of Jesus' own apostles. And we know this because Christian writers, since the beginning, have said so.

Constantine didn't change anything. What he did do, however, was pass a law which made the first day of the week a day off from work within the Roman Empire; but this only applied to people living in the cities, out in the countryside farmers could still work their fields. It's a lot like how we have a weekend today, people tend to work Monday through Friday, then get Saturday and Sunday off. That's all Constantine did.

It's also important to remember that Christianity didn't only exist in the Roman Empire, by the time of Emperor Constantine Christianity had already been well established in many parts of the world, Ethiopia, Persia, India, Arabia, etc. And Christians in all these places did (and still do) gather for worship on the first day of the week, both long before Constantine and long after Constantine; and they were never under any influence from the Roman Empire.

4.If one sins after being born again does that previous regeneration become null and does the person need to be born again for the second time or do they simply need to repent and ask for forgiveness?

New birth is a one time thing. The traditional Christian understanding is that we receive new birth--regeneration--in the Sacrament of Baptism. And once baptized there's no additional baptism. Baptism is baptism, and it is forever. When we sin we repent, and we have God's promise that we are forgiven. St. John in his epistle writes, "If we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." (1 John 1:9).

5.Baptism-Is ok to baptisze children or is it just for adults i think it should be for adults as a baby cannot make an intellectual descion for christ

Traditionally Christians baptize their infants and young children, it's a practice which we see from the very earliest years of Christianity; and we understand that since Baptism isn't about us making a decision for Jesus, but rather Baptism is about God's acceptance of us in Jesus then the decision making aspect isn't an issue. On the contrary, making a decision to follow the Lord Jesus isn't a one time thing, but is part of what it means to be a Christian. Every day is full of choices, and so following Jesus, deciding to live as a Christian as we face the circumstances, struggles, and temptations of life is what this life is all about. And we will make mistakes. In fact we'll mess up all the time, we'll sin, we'll fail, falter, stumble, and many of our decisions will be against Jesus. But we always can remember God's promise to us which He made to us in our baptism, when we were sealed in Christ by the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit; where God spoke His word upon each of us that we belong to Him, for we have been clothed with Christ (Galatians 3:27)

6. Baptism2- is water baptism
necessary for salvation or Is it purely symbolic Christ and the apostles preached baptism but the theif crucified at Christs side was not baptised yet christ promised to save him.

Again, I'm coming from a traditional perspective. The answer is both yes and no. Yes in that God appropriates the saving work of Jesus to us through Baptism, so it's as we read, "this baptism which now saves you" (1 Peter 3:21), that we have been crucified, buried, and dead with Christ to share in His resurrection life (Romans 6:3-10, Colossians 2:12). So God has attached these promises to us in Baptism. This doesn't mean, however, that someone who isn't baptized can't be saved, it's exactly as we see with the thief on the cross, where Jesus says to him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with Me in paradise."

That's because Baptism isn't an obstacle, a work, that we need to do in order to earn salvation. Baptism is God's work, He works through the means of His Word and Sacrament to grab hold of us and convert us. So God works through Baptism to accomplish what He gave Baptism to accomplish--to give us new birth and join us to Jesus Christ and His saving work.

Think of it this way: Ordinarily when a person is born how are they born? The mother goes into labor and the child is delivered vaginally. But not everyone is born that way, sometimes there are circumstances which get in the way of natural birth and so a doctor will perform a c-section. Just because a person was born differently doesn't change the fact that they were, in fact, born. So we can say that yes, people are born this way, the natural way which we have seen done for thousands of years. But that doesn't mean if a person is brought into the world through a c-section that they are any less born.

God's grace is way bigger than us. So of course God can save a person however He might choose to do so. Throughout the history of Christianity there are stories of people who, tragically, had their lives cut short before they received Baptism. There are a number of martyrs who died as catechumens--adult converts going Christian instruction prior to receiving Baptism. Of course we don't believe they weren't saved, they were.

So this is one of those issues where it's about understanding that God's use of means doesn't mean that God somehow has His hands tied, as though He is helpless to save us. The Scriptures say that God is the Savior of all men (1 Timothy 4:10). And the Church has, throughout history, really believed that. God is pro-salvation. Salvation isn't about jumping through all the right hoops, getting all our t's crossed and i's dotted. Salvation is about the God who loves the whole world, sent His only-begotten Son, that He might reconcile, rescue, and redeem all which He has made.

-CryptoLutheran
 
  • Like
Reactions: Seeker2003
Upvote 0

PROPHECYKID

Veteran
Site Supporter
Oct 28, 2007
5,982
528
35
The isle of spice
Visit site
✟73,684.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
1.The purpose Of God's Son-So the way I understand this is people sin so therefore god has every right to punish them but god in his mercy wants to give people a way out through his son who was totally innocent who suffered the punishment that mankind deserved and his blood is given as a ticket for the repented and changed sinner so that he can be fixed and after death go to heaven instead of hell.
That's for the most part right.

2.Purpose of the bible the old and new testaments are God's information and guide book to guide the people to him and to help the believer live a righteous life.

Right again.

3.I have heard Arguments that the holy day for Christians was originally Saturday but that Constantine changed it to Sunday so that he could make pagens join the church as Sunday was a pagan worship day is this true?
So according to Genesis 2:1-3 God blessed the 7th day and sanctified it. Every day in creation God said it was good but the seventh day was blessed and set apart for holy use. There is no verse or instance in the bible where God has ever removed this blessing or transferred it to another day. So to answer your question you are right that Constantine did this in 321AD. There are numerous catholic sources which reinforce the fact that is was the Catholic Church that claimed to change the Sabbath and they are the reason why most of the Christian world do not keep the Sabbath but honor Sunday.

4.If one sins after being born again does that previous regeneration become null and does the person need to be born again for the second time or do they simply need to repent and ask for forgiveness?

No that previous regeneration does not become null until the individual decides to rebel against God. The righteous man actually falls more times than the unrighteous because the righteous falls down and gets back up, the unrighteous stays down. So once you keep getting back up, you will get the victory.

5.Baptism-Is ok to baptisze children or is it just for adults i think it should be for adults as a baby cannot make an intellectual descion for christ
Exactly. You are supposed to believe and be baptized. Babies and young children cannot believe

6. Baptism2- is water baptism
necessary for salvation or Is it purely symbolic Christ and the apostles preached baptism but the theif crucified at Christs side was not baptised yet christ promised to save him.

Its symbolic. The water doesnt actually do anything, however it is important to God that this is done because it is a public demonstration of an inward change that has taken place. So since Jesus commanded baptism, the safer thing is to do it.
 
Upvote 0