Who will populate the earth in the 1000 year Reign

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The opposite is the truth!

The opposite of what is truth? I don't doubt you eventually came to the conclusion Amil was what Revelation was teaching, as you continued your studies. What I am disputing, there is no way that you were totally unaware of Amil teachings of any kind at the time. Somewhere along the line someone planted the seeds of Amil in your mind. Then as you studied, you eventually concluded Amil was what the Bible was teaching rather than Premil.

For example. Initially I was Pretrib. But after studying things for myself, I eventually concluded that the Bible is teaching Post trib instead. But I of course was already somewhat familiar with Post trib at the time, yet I had no reason to consider post trib as a possibility because the churches I attended taught Pretrib, and who was I to question that? Eventually I wised up though, and instead of just taking one's word for things, I started checking these things out for myself, and eventually concluded that Pretrib is not taught in the Bible, but that Post trib is instead.

BTW, these 17 reasons you submitted here have grown in number since 2016 when it was only 13 reasons at the time. You are for sure who I initially thought you were after all, not that it really matters I guess.
 
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There is no Millennium. If there were, only glorified saints would be there. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom. So Satan would turn some of those against the others in war when loosed.
Is Jesus cuurently in the Kingdom of God?
 
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Jesus did talk about the kingdom of heaven and this subject is about being saved to inherit it...
Would you mind explaining how the statement, "The 2nd Coming, The return of Christ begins a new era," and the question, "Who will populate the earth. and how will this happen?" are about being saved?

Saved from what?

Are eschatology and soteriology being conflated or confused?
 
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The opposite of what is truth? I don't doubt you eventually came to the conclusion Amil was what Revelation was teaching, as you continued your studies. What I am disputing, there is no way that you were totally unaware of Amil teachings of any kind at the time. Somewhere along the line someone planted the seeds of Amil in your mind. Then as you studied, you eventually concluded Amil was what the Bible was teaching rather than Premil.

For example. Initially I was Pretrib. But after studying things for myself, I eventually concluded that the Bible is teaching Post trib instead. But I of course was already somewhat familiar with Post trib at the time, yet I had no reason to consider post trib as a possibility because the churches I attended taught Pretrib, and who was I to question that? Eventually I wised up though, and instead of just taking one's word for things, I started checking these things out for myself, and eventually concluded that Pretrib is not taught in the Bible, but that Post trib is instead.

BTW, these 17 reasons you submitted here have grown in number since 2016 when it was only 13 reasons at the time. You are for sure who I initially thought you were after all, not that it really matters I guess.

Every angle I look at Scripture, Premil shows itself to be a non-corroborative doctrine.
 
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The throne of David and millennial kingdom are not the same as the kingdom of heaven.
Would you mind clarifying that relevant to Acts 2 because Peter states the prophesies about the throne of David have already been fulfilled.

Acts 2:29-37 ESV
“Brothers, I may say to you with confidence about the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. Being therefore a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that he would set one of his descendants on his throne, he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption. This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing. For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he himself says, ‘The Lord said to my Lord, 'Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.’ Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.” Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart...”

Peter is quite plain: what David spoke about was the resurrection of Christ.
We see in Zech 14 the LORD comes with His saints on a day that Jerusalem is being overrun and the LORD fights that day and slays many and this is the day the LORD is king over all the earth.
You are aware that Zechariah 14 reports the events of Zechariah 14 occur when the Messiah comes? Yes? You are aware the Messiah came in the first century during the NT era? Yes?
The Mt of Olives is to split in two creating a new valley and two new rivers that will flow year round.
Do you take that verse literally? Do you literally think the Mt of Olives will literally split literally into two pieces and literal river will literally flow from a literal valley literally created anew?

Just want to make sure I'm correctly understanding what I am reading.
This shows clearly life continuing on earth after the 2nd coming.
Can you show me where the Bible actually explicitly mentions something specifically called "the Second Coming"?
 
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Good question, rhern! I believe it's quite simple, really. Those who survive the tribulation without taking the mark will go before Jesus to be judged (Matthew 25:31-46). Those who are judged righteous will enter the Kingdom and populate the Earth in their natural bodies (Isaiah 65:20-24). Meanwhile, those who were raptured, along with those who were martyred during the tribulation, will rule and reign with Christ in their eternal bodies (Revelation 20:4).
According to Jesus in Matthew 24 the tribulation happened in the generation of his disciples who were sitting with him on the Mount of Olives as he answered their earlier question.
 
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Hi, Dave L. The Greek word translated "Kingdom" literally means "King"... the King is of both Kingdoms, so both are true, but not necessarily the same.
Upon what in scripture is that position the two kingdoms are not necessarily the same based?
 
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The 2nd Coming, The return of Christ begins a new era.

Who will populate the earth. and how will this happen.


I am thinking that it will be people who survive the Great Tribulation. A near death experiencer was shown something about this that certainly reminds me of many scriptures in Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel and the minor prophets.


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Isaiah 11

And his delight shall be in the fear of Jehovah; and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither decide after the hearing of his ears; 4 but with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and decide with equity for the meek of the earth; and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth; and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his waist, and faithfulness the girdle of his loins.

6 And the wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the adder's den.

9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain; for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of Jehovah, as the waters cover the sea.



Howard Storm's Near-Death Experience

The image of the future that they gave me then, and it was their image, not one that I created, surprised me. My image had previously been sort of like Star Wars, where everything was space age, plastics, and technology.



The future that they showed me was almost no technology at all. What everybody, absolutely everybody, in this euphoric future spent most of their time doing was raising children. The chief concern of people was children, and everybody considered children to be the most precious commodity in the world.



And when a person became an adult, there was no sense of anxiety, nor hatred, nor competition.



There was this enormous sense of trust and mutual respect. If a person, in this view of the future, became disturbed, then the community of people all cared about the disturbed person falling away from the harmony of the group. Spiritually, through prayer and love, the others would elevate the afflicted person.



What people did with the rest of their time was that they gardened, with almost no physical effort. They showed me that plants, with prayer, would produce huge fruits and vegetables.



People, in unison, could control the climate of the planet through prayer. Everybody would work with mutual trust and the people would call the rain, when needed, and the sun to shine.



Animals lived with people, in harmony.



People, in this best of all worlds, weren't interested in knowledge; they were interested in wisdom. This was because they were in a position where anything they needed to know, in the knowledge category, they could receive simply through prayer. Everything, to them, was solvable. They could do anything they wanted to do.
 
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The righteous. The wicked will be destroyed. A lot of the prophecies in the OT are usually interpreted with a literal understanding, but the wicked will be cut off and the righteous will live with God & the Messiah forever in the new earth.

psalm 37:8-11
Cease from anger, and forsake wrath: fret not thyself in any wise to do evil.

For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon YHWH, they shall inherit the earth.

For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.

But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.

Psalm 37 in general depicts the wicked being cut off, and the righteous living forever and living on the earth.
 
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I think the short is ... Christ comes sets foot on the earth gathers the nations and splits them sheep and goats those that came out of the great tribulation. Satan is cast into bottomless pit for 1000y. Christ rules for that 1000y and after that Satan is let free for a short time. Rev 20.

So read Rev ask the holy Spirit to open your eyes... He will.
 
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I think the short is ... Christ comes sets foot on the earth gathers the nations and splits them sheep and goats those that came out of the great tribulation. Satan is cast into bottomless pit for 1000y. Christ rules for that 1000y and after that Satan is let free for a short time. Rev 20.

So read Rev ask the holy Spirit to open your eyes... He will.


you’re in the ball park but way out in left field. You missed a couple of words


Zechariah 14 (KJV)
1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle

9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
 
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you’re in the ball park but way out in left field. You missed a couple of words


Zechariah 14 (KJV)
1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle

9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.


Can you expand on the point you are trying to make here? Why these 5 verses in particular?
 
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Can you expand on the point you are trying to make here? Why these 5 verses in particular?

The Point is event of the The 2nd coming of the Lord is explained in Zechariah 14

read the whole chapter to get the total picture
 
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The Point is event of the The 2nd coming of the Lord is explained in Zechariah 14

read the whole chapter to get the total picture

Maybe we are on the same page here then? Zechariah 14 involves the great tribulation in the end of this age, the 2nd coming, and the millennium that follows, to name a few. What it doesn't involve are any events taking place during the first century, like some wrongly assume.
 
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As you can probably tell by just the answers you've gotten so far - Christians are all over the place in their beliefs pertaining to the answer to this question. "The return of Christ" or "Coming of Christ" are loaded phrases. You may wish to start by looking in a broader view at the different frameworks and learning more about the context of the biblical New Testament era. The main schools of thought are either the futurist or the preterist views. IOW.....do you believe that Christ is "reigning and on the Throne" now.....or is that still in the future? What do you see in Scripture about the NATURE of His kingship? It seems to me that's a good place to start. Personally - I believe His first advent......where He died on the Cross, Resurrected, and ascended to heaven was the beginning of that "new era" you're referring to.

I do not agree. The classic Amillennial position is a lot more popular than Preterism. I’m talking about historicism and idealism within Amillennialism. It sees ongoing fulfillment between the first advent and the second advent.
 
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Some of us are amillennial and believe this 1000 year time period began after Jesus Christ of Nazareth ascended. We who are in the Body of Christ reign with Him now and that His second coming will be on the last day when all will be resurrected some to everlasting life and some to everlasting condemnation. There is no marriage and no given into marriage thus no populating.
Blessings

I am not familiar with all the views on A-millenialism, but isn't it the Saints in Heaven who reign with Christ under that interpretive scheme? Happy to be further informed scripturally, and theologically on that aspect.
 
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(2) Premil hangs its doctrine on a very precarious frayed thread: that of Revelation 20 following Revelation 19 chronologically in time. To hold this, it has to dismiss the different recaps (or different camera views pertaining to the intra-Advent period) that exist throughout the book of Revelation, divorce it from repeated Scripture on this matter and also explain away the clear and explicit climactic detail that pertains to Revelation 19. Premil is dependent upon the dubious premise that Revelation 20 is chronological to Revelation 19. That is it! Disprove that and Premil falls apart.

In Revelation 19 the lake of fire is mentioned and is in view. Point out anywhere in that chapter where it indicates that satan and humans are cast into it as well, at that time. Show anywhere in Revelation 19 where it even mentions satan one single time.

But if you were to go to Revelation 20 instead, you could easily point out everything I just asked. But Revelation 19 is not Revelation 20.
 
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The 2nd Coming, The return of Christ begins a new era.

Who will populate the earth. and how will this happen.
Think about it, in the 7 years of tribulation and God's wrath you lose 1/4, followed by 1/3 of the world's population, as well as however many Christians are killed in persecution and however many are raptured. So you're looking at maybe 2/3 of the world's population gone by the time the millennium comes around. However 1/3 of the world's population when we're at almost 8 billion people, is still over 2 billion people, who are not saved. I believe that the saints who were risen or raptured, will also come down with Christ, to help Him rule during the millennium, as that's what's mentioned in Revelation 20:4. Though that's specifically martyrs who were beheaded for the word of God, those will receive the most authority delegated to them. But saints who are now in their resurrected glorified bodies will have authority as priests, judges, and princes over nations Answerable to the King of Kings, Jesus Christ, so more like stewards but the idea is that the saints will administrate for Christ's global kingdom for 1000 years. Lifespans will increase during that time, similar to the time before the flood but after Eden. I believe that how much authority each person is delegated will be dependent on how much work they did for God on Earth, the parable of the nobleman and his servants in Luke 19. THAT is what works and obedience are for, salvation is a gift, but if you want more responsibility and authority, you have to earn those. Some of us won't rule over much, but I'm okay with that because I think I'd be awful at passing severe sentences on people (IE stoning someone to death) even if they deserve it. I'm a softy.
Also populating the world in the millennium is new children. Isaiah 65 refers to them. While Matthew 22:30 mentions there will be no marriage in the new earth, during the millennium, there must still be marriage, because Isaiah 65 also mentions that there will still be death (so it's not new earth/eternity it's the millennium), but living "only" to 100 years would be considered dying young. Isaiah 65:20.
I don't know if those children will only be born to those who were not saved at the time of the day of the Lord but became saved afterward during the seven trumpets and seven vials of God's wrath, or if those who have died, or been raptured would still marry and have children.
 
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