Not all sin is the same.

Bible Highlighter · Jan 31, 2020

SkyWriting said:
That's true. Jesus only died for the sins you recognise as sins against God.
For the rest, you deserve death. That's why we need Grace. To cover the rest.

That is not what Hebrews 10:26 says. It does not say to just recognize sin in your life and you will avoid the problem of Hebrews 10:26. It says if we willfully sin there remains no more sacrifice for sin. You are changing this Scripture to fit your own personal belief here.

You said:
For example. You know children are starving, but you bought a pizza the other day instead for yourself. You need Grace. Because you certainly didn't repent of that sin.

Well, I don't eat traditional pizza.
We make a low carb version of it and we only eat on smaller plates (So as to avoid gluttony and so as not to gain weight).
Anyways, eating food to survive is necessary to live.
We can also help those who are poor while doing this, too.

Bible Highlighter · Jan 31, 2020

SkyWriting said:
That's true. Jesus only died for the sins you recognise as sins against God.
For the rest, you deserve death. That's why we need Grace. To cover the rest.

For example. You know children are starving, but you bought a pizza the other day instead for yourself. You need Grace. Because you certainly didn't repent of that sin.

"But Judas Iscariot, the disciple who would soon betray him, said, “That perfume was worth a year’s wages. It should have been sold and the money given to the poor.” Not that he cared for the poor—he was a thief, and since he was in charge of the disciples’ money, he often stole some for himself." (John 12:4-6) (NLT).

SkyWriting · Jan 31, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
"But Judas Iscariot, the disciple who would soon betray him, said, “That perfume was worth a year’s wages. It should have been sold and the money given to the poor.” Not that he cared for the poor—he was a thief, and since he was in charge of the disciples’ money, he often stole some for himself." (John 12:4-6) (NLT).

And because he did not accept the forgiveness and grace of God
Judas modeled those destined for Hell. The one unforgivable sin.

All other sins, though deserving death, are the same and forgiven.

JacksBratt · Jan 31, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
No. That is not the point I was making with the thread.
The point of the thread is two fold.

#1. Minor transgressions do not cause spiritual death for the believer (Which is not the same for grievous sin that the Bible attaches with warnings of hellfire and condemnation).
There is a sin that does not lead unto death vs. a sin that leads unto death (See: 1 John 5:16-17). Paul was not condemned by God for not listening to the Spirit in going to Jerusalem. Yet, we know that other believers were condemned for doing other kinds of sins (Like with Ananias and Sapphira). Meaning, there are minor transgressions that will not condemn a person spiritually like with Paul and not listening to the Spirit in going to Jerusalem, and there are sins unto death like with Ananias and Sapphira (Whereby they were condemned to death both physically and spiritually). Ananias and Sapphira were condemned spiritually because a great fear came upon the church when they heard of how they died. Fear only makes sense if they knew that a similar sin could cause their own destruction spiritually. For a believer is not supposed to fear death. Paul says to live is Christ, and to die is gain.

#2. A believer can obey God in this life, and they do not have to justify sin.
Eternal Security Proponents attempt to lump all sin into one bucket so as to defend "Belief Alone-ism" and or a "Secure in Their Grievous Sin Type View of Salvation." They feel that all sins condemn with hellfire and no person can possibly obey God, in this life, and so they believe that no person can walk in God's righteous ways (Despite Scripture teaching that fact - 2 Corinthians 7:1, Galatians 5:24, Titus 2:11-12, 1 Peter 4:1-2, Ephesians 5:25-27).

Well, if there are not levels in Hell for the little old ladies... in different stages of torment... up to the most monstrous..... What is the point of varying levels of sin?

A sin... is a sin.... is a sin... It only takes ONE.. to make you a sinner.. we all have committed one.

Only on earth, in the minds of men, is one sin more evil than the other and the punishments are then graded as to be fit to the crime.

In God's eyes.. you are either a sinner , or not a sinner.
We are all sinners.

Therefore you are either saved and covered by the blood or... not saved and go to hell.

So, grading sins... is pointless.

JacksBratt · Jan 31, 2020

SkyWriting said:
You make a good point. Non-Christians who treat others well will be going to Heaven too. This is a reflection of God's Spirit written into their hearts and their acceptance of God.
Narcissists are not so likely to be in Heaven.

I disagree...
Non-Christians who treat others well.. are trying to get salvation based on their own abilities.

There is no way a human can do enough to gain salvation, of their own works.

Otherwise.. Christ's work was not necessary.

This is an apostate view.

Even that nice little old lady that does everything sickening sweet and moral and righteous.... If she denies God and the work of Jesus... She will not obtain eternal life.

renniks · Jan 31, 2020

JacksBratt said:
Even that nice little old lady that does everything sickening sweet and moral and righteous.... If she denies God and the work of Jesus... She will not obtain eternal life.

Some of those nice old ladies are secretly very prideful. If we rely on anything but Christ for salvation, we are deceived.
How can I even know which of my sins is the worst one? I have to let God be the judge.

CharismaticLady · Jan 31, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
Interesting.

While I am not entirely sold, I do see where you are coming from now.
It is definitely something to think and pray about.

Blessings to you in the Lord today.

I'm surprised. With your OP, I thought we were already on the same page.

SkyWriting · Jan 31, 2020

JacksBratt said:
Even that nice little old lady that does everything sickening sweet and moral and righteous.... If she denies God and the work of Jesus... She will not obtain eternal life.

I claim that such good works reflect ones acceptance of God. But not proof of one heart though. Only God can see the heart of the matter.

anna ~ grace · Jan 31, 2020

HTacianas said:
The analysis you've given is correct, and it is probably best explained by the Roman Church's teaching on mortal and venial sin. Some sins are minor and are those things that most people wind up doing unintentionally and then there are those intentional, or willful, sins. Intentional sins are the "sin unto death", "dead works", "sin leading to death", etc.

And as you've pointed out, those willful sins could not be atoned for under the law of Moses. That is the reason for baptism. Speaking of baptism, Paul said in the synagogue, “and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses". All those who had fallen into sin under the law were considered beyond hope and had lost their place in the world to come. Jesus said he came to "call sinners to repentance" and to "save that which is lost". Speaking also of baptism regarding previous sins, God said He will “be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”

Good points. And yet, David was eventually forgiven for his taking Bathsheba, and having Uriah killed to hide his crime.

He was not reconciled to God through the sacrifices of Mosaic Law, but through sorrow, remorse, grief, tears, penance, and finally, the loss of his son. A terrible and great sacrifice, and something God did and allowed even in the context of Mosaic Law.

It's a unique moment in Old Testament history.

Psalms 51

SkyWriting · Jan 31, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
Contrast this with intentional murder which results in capital punishment (See: Deuteronomy 19:21, Numbers 35:31).

All sin deserves death. Justice is only complete on judgment day.

JacksBratt · Feb 1, 2020

SkyWriting said:
I claim that such good works reflect ones acceptance of God. But not proof of one heart though. Only God can see the heart of the matter.

I agree. Only God knows a heart.. However.. People denying Christ, Denying that there is a God, a creator.... It won't matter how many cookies they bake. How many tiny cheeks that they pinch and call "Deary"... They cannot earn salvation. Only faith in the work of Christ.... Denial.... means no faith...

JacksBratt · Feb 1, 2020

Gracia Singh said:
Good points. And yet, David was eventually forgiven for his taking Bathsheba, and having Uriah killed to hide his crime.

He was not reconciled to God through the sacrifices of Mosaic Law, but through sorrow, remorse, grief, tears, penance, and finally, the loss of his son. A terrible and great sacrifice, and something God did and allowed even in the context of Mosaic Law.

It's a unique moment in Old Testament history.

Psalms 51

I do not believe that David was forgiven through grief, tears, penance and the loss of his son. He was forgiven by the ways of the law that were in place before Christ.

His remorse showed that he was repentant and had a change of heart and admitted his wrong... but the rest... no.. he was not saved by those.

JacksBratt · Feb 1, 2020

SkyWriting said:
All sin deserves death. Justice is only complete on judgment day.

I agree. The price of sin is death..

Only those made righteous by being washed with Christ's blood.. will have their price paid by His work on the cross.

Denial of this and rejection of the fact that Christ was who He said He was... will mean your sins are not covered.

Bible Highlighter · Feb 1, 2020

Sometimes I am grieved by people's responses on this sometimes. All I can do is offer Scripture, and pray that folks may see some day. It is my deepest hope. I know that the Lord is fair and just. So while I may be sad now that folks may not get it, there is always hope.

Peace, and love from the Lord Jesus Christ be unto you all.

JacksBratt · Feb 1, 2020

SkyWriting said:
That's true. Jesus only died for the sins you recognise as sins against God.
For the rest, you deserve death. That's why we need Grace. To cover the rest.

For example. You know children are starving, but you bought a pizza the other day instead for yourself. You need Grace. Because you certainly didn't repent of that sin.

Sorry, I disagree... A sin is a sin... Anything you do, such as "buying a pizza for yourself when kids are starving' is still a sin against Christ.

Because He said:

Matthew 25:45-46 New International Version (NIV)

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

Matthew 25:31-46

Bible Highlighter · Feb 1, 2020

JacksBratt said:
Sorry, I disagree... A sin is a sin... Anything you do, such as "buying a pizza for yourself when kids are starving' is still a sin against Christ.

Because He said:

Matthew 25:45-46 New International Version (NIV)

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

Matthew 25:31-46

But you need food to live. Also, one is perfectly capable of giving to the poor and eating so as to live. If you eat pizza over hearing the cries of the poor in the background, and you refuse to give to them, that would be wrong (because they are right there in front of you). In the parable of the Good Samaritan: We learn that the Samaritan helped the guy in need who was in front of his view. Granted, we should give to the poor (even if we cannot see them - like with certain online charities), but the point here is to give out of a loving heart in service to the Lord to some capacity.

SkyWriting · Feb 2, 2020

JacksBratt said:
Sorry, I disagree... A sin is a sin... Anything you do, such as "buying a pizza for yourself when kids are starving' is still a sin against Christ.

Because He said:

Matthew 25:45-46 New International Version (NIV)

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

Matthew 25:31-46

I support your statement, completely.

SkyWriting · Feb 2, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
Well, I don't eat traditional pizza.

The one in the picture had a cauliflower crust with no wheat.
Much more expensive, but worth it.

Bible Highlighter said:
But you need food to live. Also, one is perfectly capable of giving to the poor and eating so as to live. If you eat pizza over hearing the cries of the poor in the background, and you refuse to give to them, that would be wrong (because they are right there in front of you). In the parable of the Good Samaritan: We learn that the Samaritan helped the guy in need who was in front of his view. Granted, we should give to the poor (even if we cannot see them - like with certain online charities), but the point here is to give out of a loving heart in service to the Lord to some capacity.

The point was, that you sin continuously by not heeding Gods requirements 100% at all times. Not "praying continuously" is just one example. If you fail to follow this verse, you are sinning just as much as any adulterer:

1 Thessalonians 5:17
pray without ceasing,

Romans 12:12
Rejoice in hope, be patient in tribulation, be constant in prayer.

Colossians 4:2
Continue steadfastly in prayer, being watchful in it with thanksgiving.

Ephesians 6:18
praying at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication. To that end keep alert with all perseverance, making supplication for all the saints,

Luke 21:36
But stay awake at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are going to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man.”

1 Peter 4:7
The end of all things is at hand; therefore be self-controlled and sober-minded for the sake of your prayers.

JacksBratt · Feb 2, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
But you need food to live. Also, one is perfectly capable of giving to the poor and eating so as to live. If you eat pizza over hearing the cries of the poor in the background, and you refuse to give to them, that would be wrong (because they are right there in front of you). In the parable of the Good Samaritan: We learn that the Samaritan helped the guy in need who was in front of his view. Granted, we should give to the poor (even if we cannot see them - like with certain online charities), but the point here is to give out of a loving heart in service to the Lord to some capacity.

Thanks for that.. But my point is.. all sin is a sin against God.. There are no sins against the poor or starving.. Christ made it a sin due to the fact that anything you do to anyone.. you are doing to Christ.

Bible Highlighter · Feb 2, 2020

SkyWriting said:
The one in the picture had a cauliflower crust with no wheat.
Much more expensive, but worth it.

My wife made some kind of zucchini or squash heavily cheese based crust that was fried in oil than later baked as a crust with the sauce, cheese, and the toppings. We like Bertolli spaghetti sauce, mozzarella cheese, green peppers, black olives, onions, mushrooms, and eckrich smoked sausage (chopped into slices and fried) and sometimes a little bacon. It tastes amazing. Well, my wife is a good cook. Although we are on the small plate diet for life (So as not to overeat and or overspend to the glory of God).

You said:
The point was, that you sin continuously by not heeding Gods requirements 100% at all times. Not "praying continuously" is just one example. If you fail to follow this verse, you are sinning just as much as any adulterer:
1 Thessalonians 5:17
pray without ceasing,

First, it is absolutely not saying we have to pray every waking second of every day. There are other things God wants us to do that would prevent us from praying without ceasing (Like preaching the gospel, helping the poor, loving our enemies, feeding the sheep, studying God's Word, praising the Lord, giving thanks to Him, worshiping Him, etc.). In balance of looking at the whole counsel of God's Word, it leads us to the conclusion that we should pray for things in God's will and never stop praying for that particular thing. It means praying every chance we get in between doing other righteous things for God. So no. You are not sinning if you are not praying every second of every day. That is ridiculous.

Second, there is no warning in the Bible given to us that says.... "You shall face fire and condemnation if you do not pray without ceasing." Try as you may, no Scripture exists that says that. So you have to invent impossible demands that the Bible never really states so as to lead you to the wrong conclusion that we cannot live righteously in this life.

You said:
Romans 12:12
Rejoice in hope, be patient in tribulation, be constant in prayer.

Colossians 4:2
Continue steadfastly in prayer, being watchful in it with thanksgiving.

Ephesians 6:18
praying at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication. To that end keep alert with all perseverance, making supplication for all the saints,

Again, this is not saying what you think it means.
Of course you are going to take these verses to the wrong extreme.
In fact, why even bother to have these commands in Scripture if Jesus died for all sin and you never have to worry about lifting a finger for God in anything.
You regulate such above Scripture as being useless or in having no real purpose.
Jesus died for your sins by having a mental acknowledgment that Jesus is your Savior is not the point of these verses. But feel free to take them out of context if you like. I am sure God would not agree in you doing so, though.

You said:
Luke 21:36
But stay awake at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are going to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man.”

It doesn't mean you stay awake 24/7 and become an insomniac.

You said:
1 Peter 4:7
The end of all things is at hand; therefore be self-controlled and sober-minded for the sake of your prayers.

Nothing is mentioned here about how you have to pray continually.

Not all sin is the same.

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