Jesus is God the Father

Jesus is not God the Father:

"The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth."
J 1:14

"No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known."
J 1:18

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
J 3:16

This is a discussion forum, not a let's post scripture forum.

Please look at scripture to see what it says and not what you want it to say.
As you are aware there are many scriptures where Jesus and God the Father interacted.
They alone show that your idea is unsound.

Demily said:

I believe scripture and what it says.
I don't believe I need to post anything other than scripture. It tells us all what we need to know.

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Are you "Oneness"?

Jesus is the second person of the Holy Trinity, the Son.

Demily said:

I don't follow religion. I strive to have a relationship with Christ. What I've learned has been from him.

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He put teachers in the Church. That's learning from him too. How do you know you haven't already been proven wrong if you remain ignorant of what the Church has taught for millennia?

Demily said:

Why do you think I need to be proven wrong?
I believe in the mystery Jesus talks about. I don't believe in the traditonal beliefs of the trinity. Almost 85 percent of people believe in that. So how is it a mystery if everyone has already "figured it out"?

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Who needs books anyway?

Demily said:

I believe scripture and what it says.
I don't believe I need to post anything other than scripture. It tells us all what we need to know.

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None of your scriptures says that Son is Father or that Jesus is Father or that Jesus is God the Father.

It only says that who sees Jesus sees also Father and that Jesus and Father are one. But thats the standard teaching of Triunity.

That they are different personalities is quite obvious from many Bible verses.

When Saint Patrick taught the Irish about the Holy Trinity he used the shamrock as an example.
One God, three persons.
One stem, three shamrock leaves.

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Demily said:

John 14:1-20 (KJV) Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
If ye love me, keep my commandments.
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

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Jesus is the fullest and most truest image, representation, and expression we will ever see with our eyes, also touch, or ever hear directly, see, etc, of God the Father, etc, either here or there, that we will ever see, hear, touch, etc, have direct contact with, either here now or right now, or also is or will be there in Heaven, etc... and so is the Holy Spirit in Him (Jesus), etc, (The Holy Spirit and Jesus together the image, likeness, representation, expression, etc, of God the Father, etc) that will both be together (the image, likeness, representation, expression of God the Father) through Him (Jesus) or by Him (Holy Spirit by Jesus) etc, (will be/is/are the image/likeness/representation/expression or whatever of God the Father, etc) (except we can't "see" the Spirit either, etc) (Jesus is the only one we see with our physical "eyes", etc, touch, hear, feel, etc) Anyway, They are God the Father "together", Spirit and the body, or Spirit through and by the body, etc, and only through Them or by Them can we come to know God the Father, etc, the True God the Father, etc, for that is what They are for, etc... And, they can also even be, or also come to dwell "in us" also, etc... (The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, but with us, and our physical bodies, as the Son or Sons though)...

We will be like Jesus in Heaven, but only He will be the true King in Heaven, but we will be like Him (Jesus) each having the Holy Spirit in each of us in Heaven just like or as He Jesus does/did, or will have or be when we see Him, etc, and by each of us being like Him (Jesus) and each of us each having the Holy Spirit in them (us) (Jesus) we will also be like and be "one" with God the True Father, or the True Highest Father God, or will be just like Him (Them) or as them or They are (God The Father, Son, and, Holy Spirit, etc) like Him (Jesus) (or Holy Spirit and Jesus) and like them (The rest of the Holy Ones or Sons of God or Angels in Heaven, when we get to or are in Heaven), etc... Anyway, we will (all) be like "that" or as they or all of them are (in Heaven), etc...

Essentially we will all be "Jesus's" basically, with the Holy Spirit in each of us, connecting us all together to the same God through or by that same Spirit in each one of us, etc, and will all be said to be "one" with God the Father and with each other and in that way, etc, all each by that same Spirit or the Holy Spirit, the same that Jesus does or had or did, etc, each being like little "Jesus's", etc... And "The Jesus" will be our leader and/or High Priest and King, and will be the one with us that is like us, each all connected to God the Father by that same true and same Holy Spirit, or the Holy Spirit, etc...

And some say it/that, or some say we can be like or have that "now" or "even right now", etc, or even before we get to Heaven, etc...

That we will all be Christed or that we can even be Christed "now", etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!

Lady Donna Marie said:

If you wipe out books your wiping out written history of any kind.

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I was replying to the OP. Of course you need books.

Lady Donna Marie said:

If you wipe out books your wiping out written history of any kind.

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Well, while true, remember that most books are absolutely against Yahweh, truth, and life.

Demily said:

I believe scripture and what it says.
I don't believe I need to post anything other than scripture. It tells us all what we need to know.

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NOTHING tht you yourslf pstd says that Jesus IS the Father.
All Scripture says and shows, in perfect harmony, that Jesus and the Father are echad - and all the permanent born again disciples are (or are to be) echad the same with Jesus and with the Father echad, especially John 17.

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QUOTE="Demily, post: 74683110, member: 424645"]John 14:1-20 (KJV) Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
If ye love me, keep my commandments.
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
QUOTE="Demily, post: 74683175, member: 424645"]Colossians 1:12-22 (KJV) Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:[/QUOTE

Demily said:

The bible is the only book needed to find Jesus.

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You do not need bible to "find" Jesus.

Its a useful tool if used properly and carefully, because many information about God and Jesus would be lost without it.