Middle of 70th week in Daniel 9:27 same event described in Daniel 11:31?

pasifika · Jan 31, 2020

Daniel 9:27..." In the middle of the seven he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him (NIV)

Daniel 11:31...His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the Abomination that causes desolation.

The main focus of this thread is;

To see if whether the event in middle of the 70th week in Daniel 9:27 the same event describe in Daniel 11:31?
Is it about Jesus, antichrist or someone else?

Hope for a good discussion...

Charlie24 · Jan 31, 2020

pasifika said:
Daniel 9:27..." In the middle of the seven he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him (NIV)

Daniel 11:31...His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the Abomination that causes desolation.

The main focus of this thread is;

To see if whether the event in middle of the 70th week in Daniel 9:27 the same event describe in Daniel 11:31?

Is it about Jesus, antichrist or someone else?

Hope for a good discussion...

Daniel 9:27 is definitely the antichrist.

Daniel 11:31 is when Antiochus, king of Syria, offered a pig on the alter in Jerusalem in about 167 BC.

This sequence in Daniel 11 picks up again the last days beginning in vs. 35.

vinsight4u · Jan 31, 2020

vinsight4u · Jan 31, 2020

vinsight4u · Jan 31, 2020

Charlie24 · Jan 31, 2020

vinsight4u said:
Daniel 12:1 - shows the story of what took place in chapter 11
after he enters into Israel.

The great tribulation ended in chapter 11.
Chapter 12 returns us to chapter 11 to know that Michael
stood up and the time of trouble started then.

It is not just - And.....
It is giving us a timeline as to when that verse should
be placed as to occur back in chapter 11.

And - at that time -
as in - at that time when he entered into Israel

Daniel is reading or being shown prophecy from the
book - the one mentioned at the end of chapter 10.
Daniel will eventually have to close the book, but wants
to know more. That part is not revealed to him, as it's
sealed till the time of the end.

the truth - end of chapter 10
now I will shew thee the truth - chapter 11

This one holy being says that he will show Daniel
what is held by Michael.

In chapter 11, this holy being begins to do just that.

This holy being will leave before the end of chapter 12.
Daniel will talk then and see others. But he cannot be
told much more. It is sealed.

Daniel 11:45 is referring to the newly built temple on MT. Moriah, "the Holy Mountain". It is located "between the seas" the Mediterranean Sea and the Dead Sea.

This is when the antichrist will take over the temple and claim to be God.

"He will come to his end" is the antichrist reaching the point of no return. He has sealed his doom.

Daniel 12:1 begins the last 3 1/2 years of Daniel's 70th week. This is the "time of Jacob's Trouble, the Great Tribulation.

vinsight4u · Jan 31, 2020

vinsight4u · Jan 31, 2020

Charlie24 · Jan 31, 2020

vinsight4u said:
It tells that he prospers till the indignation is accomplished.
It is impossible for Daniel 12 to only start after that indignation
is over.

Look at the word -indignation-as to what it means in
other verses in the Bible.

last end of the indignation

till the indignation be accomplished

In Daniel 11, when the wicked king enters into the holy
land, it never tells us what he did. It goes on to
how he takes other countries. Daniel 12 returns us to
chapter 11 to reveal what took place as to the land of
Israel, then he started to take other nations.

The same he -continues from Daniel 11:21 to the end of
chapter 11.
vile person - as in the worst one in the whole chapter

Daniel 11 has only one Antiochus ruler in it - the first one.
Look back at verses 12-14 to see how the military group and
its leader changes.

a great army - as in a whole new multitude now

Step back into chapter 10, as to how the holy being
repeatedly came to Daniel = to reveal what would
happen to - thy people - in the latter days. vision

Daniel 11 - the robbers of thy people
to establish the vision

Daniel 11 is about the wars between Syria and Egypt, with the kings sons taking revenge where their fathers left off.

Daniel 11:32-34 is the time between these wars and the appearing of John the Baptist. The Maccabees wars and so on...

Between vs. 34 and 35, about 2000 years have now expired.

Original Happy Camper · Jan 31, 2020

pasifika said:
Daniel 9:27..." In the middle of the seven he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him (NIV)

Daniel 11:31...His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the Abomination that causes desolation.

The main focus of this thread is;

To see if whether the event in middle of the 70th week in Daniel 9:27 the same event describe in Daniel 11:31?

Is it about Jesus, antichrist or someone else?

Hope for a good discussion...

from Genesis to Revelations it is all about Jesus

he caused the sacrifice to cease three and one half years into his (in the midst of the week) ministry with the shedding of HIS blood on the cross in the year 31 ad

at the moment of his death the curtain in the temple was rent top to bottom signifying the end of the earthly sanctuary sacrifices that all pointed forward from the first sacrifice in the garden to HIS sacrifice on the cross for the human race.

Jesus ascended to Heaven and became our heavenly priest. When the investigative judgement is finished in the holy of hollies in the heavenly sanctuary then Jesus will come and retrieve the righteous from earth both those that sleep in the grave and those that are alive when he comes.

Praise the Lord come quickly

pasifika · Jan 31, 2020

Charlie24 said:
Daniel 9:27 is definitely the antichrist.

Daniel 11:31 is when Antiochus, king of Syria, offered a pig on the alter in Jerusalem in about 167 BC.

This sequence in Daniel 11 picks up again the last days beginning in vs. 35.

Hello, I agree with you that Daniel 9:27 is about the antichrist or man of sin also mentioned in 2Thessalonians 2:4...
I think Daniel 11:31 describing same event as in Daniel 9:27, but what you have identified in Daniel 11 is the Northern kingdom is Syria which is very important, the same kingdom where Antiochus of Greece also rule.

Antiochus is one described in Daniel 8:9-13

pasifika · Jan 31, 2020

vinsight4u said:
Yes, they are the same times in the future!

We wait for a war with Iraq and the ruler heads back to his land, but can't be
found.
Antiochus and the times of long ago do not fit the prophecy for Daniel 11.
It is future, starting at verse 21 for the part as to the little horn of Iraq/Babylon.

stands up - a vile person
shall not give him the honor of the kingdom

he will flatter people and war with the king of the south -Egypt

the ships of Chittim will cause him to flee - USA - NATO?

he will return later - with ships of his own
and that is when he will take Israel and other countries

many ships - he shall enter into the glorious land

he shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished

The indignation is the great tribulation time!

Yes, agree both Daniel 9:27 and Daniel 11:31 as same event and times and in the future..

You also identify the southern kingdom as Egypt In Daniel 11..

pasifika · Jan 31, 2020

Original Happy Camper said:
from Genesis to Revelations it is all about Jesus

he caused the sacrifice to cease three and one half years into his (in the midst of the week) ministry with the shedding of HIS blood on the cross in the year 31 ad

at the moment of his death the curtain in the temple was rent top to bottom signifying the end of the earthly sanctuary sacrifices that all pointed forward from the first sacrifice in the garden to HIS sacrifice on the cross for the human race.

Jesus ascended to Heaven and became our heavenly priest. When the investigative judgement is finished in the holy of hollies in the heavenly sanctuary then Jesus will come and retrieve the righteous from earth both those that sleep in the grave and those that are alive when he comes.

Praise the Lord come quickly
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Thank you for your post...i agree that Jesus is the focus of the message in the bible (Genesis -Revelation )..but also the hope of those who put their trust in Him...

Yes, Jesus put an end to sacrifice and offering but what abomination act did He committed according to Daniel 9:27?

Charlie24 · Jan 31, 2020

pasifika said:
Hello, I agree with you that Daniel 9:27 is about the antichrist or man of sin also mentioned in 2Thessalonians 2:4...
I think Daniel 11:31 describing same event as in Daniel 9:27, but what you have identified in Daniel 11 is the Northern kingdom is Syria which is very important, the same kingdom where Antiochus of Greece also rule.

Antiochus is one described in Daniel 8:9-13

My info on Daniel 11:31 comes from several theologians and Josephus that this verse describes Antiochus' army attacking Israel and killing 40,000 Jews and sacrificing a pig on the alter of the temple defiling the sanctuary.

He stopped the worship of Jehovah and forced the Jews to worship pagan gods.

They say the coming antichrist (beginning in vs. 36) will follow the footsteps of Antiochus in taking the temple over.

Daniel 8:8 is referring to Alexander the Great, his 4 generals divide the land at his death.

vs. 9 the "little horn" that came out of one of the portions of the generals, is the antichrist.

Andrewn · Jan 31, 2020

Charlie24 said:
My info on Daniel 11:31 comes from several theologians and Josephus that this verse describes Antiochus' army attacking Israel and killing 40,000 Jews and sacrificing a pig on the alter of the temple defiling the sanctuary. He stopped the worship of Jehovah and forced the Jews to worship pagan gods.

I agree. There is no doubt that Dan 11, the entire chapter, describes the reign of Antiochus Epiphanies.

Charlie24 said:
Daniel 8:8 is referring to Alexander the Great, his 4 generals divide the land at his death. vs. 9 the "little horn" that came out of one of the portions of the generals, is the antichrist.

No, Dan 8:9 describes the rise of Antiochus Epiphanies to power.

Andrewn · Jan 31, 2020

pasifika said:
Yes, agree both Daniel 9:27 and Daniel 11:31 as same event and times and in the future..

Dan 11:31 clearly describes the reign of Antiochus Epiphanies. That chapter is written so clearly like a newspaper or a blog from that era.

Are you saying that Dan 9:27 is also about Antiochus Epiphanies? Secular scholars usually interpret Dan 9:27 this way.

The Christian interpretation is that Dan 9:27 refers to the Lord Jesus.

The Dispensational interpretation is that Dan 9:27 refers to the end-time anti-Christ.

pasifika · Jan 31, 2020

Charlie24 said:
My info on Daniel 11:31 comes from several theologians and Josephus that this verse describes Antiochus' army attacking Israel and killing 40,000 Jews and sacrificing a pig on the alter of the temple defiling the sanctuary.

He stopped the worship of Jehovah and forced the Jews to worship pagan gods.

They say the coming antichrist (beginning in vs. 36) will follow the footsteps of Antiochus in taking the temple over.

Daniel 8:8 is referring to Alexander the Great, his 4 generals divide the land at his death.

vs. 9 the "little horn" that came out of one of the portions of the generals, is the antichrist.

Hello, the little horn in Daniel 8 comes out from the 4 horns Daniel 8:8-9...The goat (king of Greece) became very great, but at the height of its power the large horn was broken off, and in its place four prominent horns grew up towards the four winds of heaven.

Out of one of them (out of 4 horns) came another horn, which started small but grew in power to the south and to the east and towards the Beautiful Land....

The little horn in Daniel 8 comes out from the 4 horns...The antichrist (little horn) comes out from 10 horns Daniel 7:7,8 "......it was different from all the former beasts, and it had 10 horns. While i was thinking about the horns (10horns) another horn, a little one, which came up among them..

David Kent · Jan 31, 2020

Charlie24 said:
Daniel 9:27 is definitely the antichrist.

Daniel 11:31 is when Antiochus, king of Syria, offered a pig on the alter in Jerusalem in about 167 BC.

This sequence in Daniel 11 picks up again the last days beginning in vs. 35.

Daniel 9 is about Messiah the Prince and the result of the jews rejecting their prince. Antichrist does not come into it.

Daniel 11 changes at verse 36.

pasifika · Jan 31, 2020

Andrewn said:
Dan 11:31 clearly describes the reign of Antiochus Epiphanies. That chapter is written so clearly like a newspaper or a blog from that era.

Are you saying that Dan 9:27 is also about Antiochus Epiphanies? Secular scholars usually interpret Dan 9:27 this way.

The Christian interpretation is that Dan 9:27 refers to the Lord Jesus.

The Dispensational interpretation is that Dan 9:27 refers to the end-time anti-Christ.

Hello, Daniel 9:27 and Daniel 11:31 describing the antichrist in the future, someone similar to Antiochus E. of Greece, I think Daniel 8:9-13, 23 is about him.

Little horn comes up from the 4 horns Daniel 8...(Antiochus E.) Already happened
Little horn comes up among 10 horns Daniel 7:7-8... (Antichrist) in future

Charlie24 · Jan 31, 2020

Andrewn said:
No, Dan 8:9 describes the rise of Antiochus Epiphanies to power.

No, I'm afraid not!

If you notice in 8:16-19, Gabriel says he will make the vision known to Daniel.

vs. 21, the rough goat of vs 21 is the he goat of vs. 8, Alexander the Great, king of Grecia.

vs. 22, the 4 kingdoms of vs. 22 are the 4 notable ones of vs. 8, ATG's generals.

vs.23, in the LATTER TIMES of their kingdoms, speaking of the 4 kingdoms of the generals they received from ATG. A king of fierce countenance will stand up, the antichrist of vs. 9.

vs. 25, we know it's the antichrist because "he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes," in the battle of Armageddon. Christ Himself.

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