Sources Playing Down Climate Change

Neogaia777 · Jan 29, 2020

createdtoworship said:
chem trails are dangerous too, so we can ask the question.

What would Jesus do?

Regulate all the business and crash the economy for chem trail allegations, or ask for peer reviews regarding it to see if it's real.

Now who's being "alarmist"?

Anyway, there has to be "balance" and "compromise" on both ends, etc, until we can maybe completely redesign the whole entire economy, etc, but, until then there has to be balance and compromise on both ends and both sides, but the problem is billionares on one side of it don't want to have to be any kind of responsible stewards of this planet at all, all because they might lose a few pennies, etc, so want to try and be "alarmist" and convince everyone that if they did anything or tried to do anything about it at all, then the entire economy would collapse overnight, etc, when the real truth is they just don't want to have to sacrifice any of their pennies at all, etc... Or they will try to downplay it severely, to the point of convincing others that it's not even a problem or doesn't even exist all, etc, and all only so they don't have to sacrifice any of those "pennies" at all, etc...

And that's not "balance" but is "insanity", etc...

And may not end well for us, etc, or for future generations in the end, etc...

But they don't care at all about any of that at all, etc, but only care about their pennies and making as much money and profit as they can, and screw everything else, or any kind of any kind of other logical or reasonable "other concerns", etc...

It is "insane" and "insanity", etc...

And they are getting a lot of other dopes to blindly follow them on that insane course, etc, and it's actually working and working out for them somewhat right now, etc...

It both majorly baffles and just dumbfounds me, etc... As I think it's "insane", etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!

thomas_t · Jan 29, 2020

createdtoworship said:
What would Jesus do?

so let's see what he said concerning taking risks...
Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell. Matthew 10:28.
Potentially destroying the earth will cause God to be angry, I guess. It's his world.
In my opinion, this passage is about taking risks indeed. It doesn't state "God will".. it says "God can".
Fearing God is the opposite of leaning back relaxed in the face of taking a grave risk.

createdtoworship said:
or ask for peer reviews regarding it to see if it's real.

do your research. No problem. We should strive to find out what's real: 1 Thessalonians 5:21.
DISCLAIMER I'm not shifting the burden of proof here. This was in answering your statement about finding peer reviewed research.

Thomas

createdtoworship · Jan 29, 2020

Neogaia777 said:
Now who's being "alarmist"?

Anyway, there has to be "balance" and "compromise" on both ends, etc, until we can maybe completely redesign the whole entire economy, etc, but, until then there has to be balance and compromise on both ends and both sides, but the problem is billionares on one side of it don't want to have to be any kind of responsible stewards of this planet at all, all because they might lose a few pennies, etc, so want to try and be "alarmist" and convince everyone that if they did anything or tried to do anything about it at all, then the entire economy would collapse overnight, etc, when the real truth is they just don't want to have to sacrifice any of their pennies at all, etc... Or they will try to downplay it severely, to the point of convincing others that it's not even a problem or doesn't even exist all, etc, and all only so they don't have to sacrifice any of those "pennies" at all, etc...

And that's not "balance" but is "insanity", etc...

And may not end well for us, etc, or for future generations in the end, etc...

But they don't care at all about any of that at all, etc, but only care about their pennies and making as much money and profit as they can, and screw everything else, or any kind of any kind of other logical or reasonable "other concerns", etc...

It is "insane" and "insanity", etc...

And they are getting a lot of other dopes to blindly follow them on that insane course, etc, and it's actually working and working out for them somewhat right now, etc...

It both majorly baffles and just dumbfounds me, etc... As I think it's "insane", etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!

evironmentalists have battled corporations for a long time, and it's due to humanism. See humanists don't have God to worship, they must worship mother nature. That's all they have to worship. so their precious trees are their gods. The deli sand fly is their god, you name it. I say the deli sand fly because there was a hospital in southern california that was actually donated, and it was fully funded by donations, and three deli sand flies were found. It locked up the project permanently, I don't think to this day it was built. So that is what i mean. you talk of balance, I would argue the pendulum right now is swung toward the environmentalists, and needs to correct a little.

createdtoworship · Jan 29, 2020

thomas_t said:
so let's see what he said concerning taking risks...
Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell. Matthew 10:28.
Potentially destroying the earth will cause God to be angry, I guess. It's his world.
In my opinion, this passage is about taking risks indeed. It doesn't state "God will".. it says "God can".
Fearing God is the opposite of leaning back relaxed in the face of taking a grave risk.

do your research. No problem. We should strive to find out what's real: 1 Thessalonians 5:21.
DISCLAIMER I'm not shifting the burden of proof here. This was in answering your statement about finding peer reviewed research.

Thomas

so anyway, I will wait till you find your sources. until then I am unsubscribing. We all have opinions, chem trials can indeed be a problem, the earth may be flat, all that is possible but we need the peer reviews to make sure we are not doing something unwise.

createdtoworship · Jan 29, 2020

Neogaia777 said:
Now who's being "alarmist"?

Anyway, there has to be "balance" and "compromise" on both ends, etc, until we can maybe completely redesign the whole entire economy, etc, but, until then there has to be balance and compromise on both ends and both sides, but the problem is billionares on one side of it don't want to have to be any kind of responsible stewards of this planet at all, all because they might lose a few pennies, etc, so want to try and be "alarmist" and convince everyone that if they did anything or tried to do anything about it at all, then the entire economy would collapse overnight, etc, when the real truth is they just don't want to have to sacrifice any of their pennies at all, etc... Or they will try to downplay it severely, to the point of convincing others that it's not even a problem or doesn't even exist all, etc, and all only so they don't have to sacrifice any of those "pennies" at all, etc...

And that's not "balance" but is "insanity", etc...

And may not end well for us, etc, or for future generations in the end, etc...

But they don't care at all about any of that at all, etc, but only care about their pennies and making as much money and profit as they can, and screw everything else, or any kind of any kind of other logical or reasonable "other concerns", etc...

It is "insane" and "insanity", etc...

And they are getting a lot of other dopes to blindly follow them on that insane course, etc, and it's actually working and working out for them somewhat right now, etc...

It both majorly baffles and just dumbfounds me, etc... As I think it's "insane", etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!

thomas_t said:
so let's see what he said concerning taking risks...
Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell. Matthew 10:28.
Potentially destroying the earth will cause God to be angry, I guess. It's his world.
In my opinion, this passage is about taking risks indeed. It doesn't state "God will".. it says "God can".
Fearing God is the opposite of leaning back relaxed in the face of taking a grave risk.

do your research. No problem. We should strive to find out what's real: 1 Thessalonians 5:21.
DISCLAIMER I'm not shifting the burden of proof here. This was in answering your statement about finding peer reviewed research.

Thomas

Neogaia777 · Jan 30, 2020

createdtoworship said:
evironmentalists have battled corporations for a long time, and it's due to humanism. See humanists don't have God to worship, they must worship mother nature. That's all they have to worship. so their precious trees are their gods. The deli sand fly is their god, you name it. I say the deli sand fly because there was a hospital in southern california that was actually donated, and it was fully funded by donations, and three deli sand flies were found. It locked up the project permanently, I don't think to this day it was built. So that is what i mean. you talk of balance, I would argue the pendulum right now is swung toward the environmentalists, and needs to correct a little.

If you don't think that what we are doing to the earth is or should not be a serious concern, then your blind, no offense...

Go bury your head in the sand for all I care...

God Bless!

thomas_t · Jan 30, 2020

createdtoworship said:
evironmentalists have battled corporations for a long time, and it's due to humanism. See humanists don't have God to worship, they must worship mother nature. That's all they have to worship.

let's see how Christians continue to battle those who care for the environment - which is not the same as to "worship" another god.
Misinformation is a powerful weapon, for instance.
You wrote "But the problem is that over the last 200 years the globe only warmed 1.8% . And the warming is random and not affected by the doubling and tripping of man's co2 contributions. Again most of the environment contributes 99% of co2. And of green house gases co2 is only 5% of the total. So you looking at man's contribution being 1% of 5% of 1.8%. Just do the math you looking at .000009 % of the total temperature is man's fault." click here for LINK.
As we can see, you didn't bother to make the slightest attempt to provide a single source for that data. I really have problems with imagining how you could take this topic seriously. It seems to be a nice passtime for you.
So let's fact check your conclusion that ".000009% of the total temperature is man's fault" as you say...
In your short paragraph you didn't bother taking into account

* there are also other anthropogenic greenhouse gases apart from CO2, as can be seen here (this graph
shows the changes in the impact of different greenhouse gases since 1750... but it demonstrates very well the influence of man on climate isn't solely based on CO2)

concentration-carbon-dioxide-atmosphere-greenhouse-gases-Earth-1750.jpg

* different greenhouse gases have different impacts. "CH4 is more potent than CO2 because the radiative forcing produced per molecule is greater." says Encyclopedia Britannica; click here LINK.

Moreover, you name total concentrations - as if there was a linear impact of every greenhouse gas.
But you failed to show that every added gram of CO2 to the atmosphere has exactly the same impact on climate than the added gram before.

So your conclusion is total bunk.

Also, to me it makes sense to explain the changes in global temperature during the past 100 years with the changes in the concentration of greenhouse gases as opposed to absolute numbers, as you suggest. And changes of these concentrations are due to man-made influences, as I see it.

DISCLAIMER: But I don't say YOU are ignorant, stupid or whatever names other posters have called you.

I hope this thread will stay open, though.

Thomas

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Skreeper · Jan 30, 2020

createdtoworship said:
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Ah yes, nothing says Christian more than insulting a teenager on the internet. Bonus points, if you are an adult and post it in meme form.

createdtoworship · Jan 30, 2020

thomas_t said:
let's see how Christians continue to battle those who care for the environment - which is not the same as to "worship" another god.
Misinformation is a powerful weapon, for instance.
You wrote "But the problem is that over the last 200 years the globe only warmed 1.8% . And the warming is random and not affected by the doubling and tripping of man's co2 contributions. Again most of the environment contributes 99% of co2. And of green house gases co2 is only 5% of the total. So you looking at man's contribution being 1% of 5% of 1.8%. Just do the math you looking at .000009 % of the total temperature is man's fault." click here for LINK.
As we can see, you didn't bother to make the slightest attempt to provide a single source for that data. I really have problems with imagining how you could take this topic seriously. It seems to be a nice passtime for you.
So let's fact check your conclusion that ".000009% of the total temperature is man's fault" as you say...
In your short paragraph you didn't bother taking into account

* there are also other anthropogenic greenhouse gases apart from CO2, as can be seen here (this graph
shows the changes in the impact of different greenhouse gases since 1750... but it demonstrates very well the influence of man on climate isn't solely based on CO2)

* different greenhouse gases have different impacts. "CH4 is more potent than CO2 because the radiative forcing produced per molecule is greater." says Encyclopedia Britannica; click here LINK.

Moreover, you name total concentrations - as if there was a linear impact of every greenhouse gas.
But you failed to show that every added gram of CO2 to the atmosphere has exactly the same impact on climate than the added gram before.

So your conclusion is total bunk.

Also, to me it makes sense to explain the changes in global temperature during the past 100 years with the changes in the concentration of greenhouse gases as opposed to absolute numbers, as you suggest. And changes of these concentrations are due to man-made influences, as I see it.

DISCLAIMER: But I don't say YOU are ignorant, stupid or whatever names other posters have called you.

I hope this thread will stay open, though.

Thomas

EDITED

thanks, well I am not at the point where I feel I need to debate this with you. I believe everything I said and I do have links but I am not going to post them. For now please provide peer review proving that mans contributions to co2 are causing the warming affect. From what I have seen warming has been random, dis-regardless of man's contribution to co2. Again if you have 1.8 % according to peer review. In 200 years. And there has not been extreme increases since 1950 when co2 has doubled every ten or 20 years. Then there is simply no correlation to mans contributions to global warming. So I am waiting for those peer reviews. Again chem trails are a theory right now. People think these air planes are killing people with their pollution. Some others believe the world is flat, there are whole groups of people, even scientists thinking the earth is flat and that we are all deceived. You are right about one thing, misinformation exists. So the burden lies on you, the one who created the thread to prove man made global warming is alarming and dangerous.

createdtoworship · Jan 30, 2020

Skreeper said:
Ah yes, nothing says Christian more than insulting a teenager on the internet. Bonus points, if you are an adult and post it in meme form.

didn't know any one was a teen but ok.

createdtoworship · Jan 30, 2020

Neogaia777 said:
If you don't think that what we are doing to the earth is or should not be a serious concern, then your blind, no offense...

Go bury your head in the sand for all I care...

God Bless!

again global warming is real, it's just not significant from what I have seen evidentially speaking. So there must be peer reviews proving global warming is not just real, but it's man made, and that it's dangerous to all life on earth. Good luck finding sources.

Neogaia777 · Jan 30, 2020

createdtoworship said:
again global warming is real, it's just not significant from what I have seen evidentially speaking. So there must be peer reviews proving global warming is not just real, but it's man made, and that it's dangerous to all life on earth. Good luck finding sources.

You want proof that were greatly contributing to the earth changing or turning on us in a very negative way for us...?

Just use your eyes and have a look around, or do a simple google search, etc, and I provided you with some links earlier, and others have now too, but you just seem to want to completely ignore them, so...?

And I have no idea why, other than maybe just your undying and unquestioning loyalty to those who now say it's not an issue at all, all due to their greed, and greed only, etc...

God Bless!

createdtoworship · Jan 30, 2020

Neogaia777 said:
You want proof that were greatly contributing to the earth changing or turning on us in a very negative way for us...?

Just use your eyes and have a look around, or do a simple google search, etc, and I provided you with some links earlier, and others have now too, but you just seem to want to completely ignore them, so...?

And I have no idea why, other than maybe just your undying and unquestioning loyalty to those who now say it's not an issue at all, all due to their greed, and greed only, etc...

God Bless!

just link to the peer reviews please, not organizations or new, or google or wikipedia. I only want the peer reviews. Let me know when you find it.

Skreeper · Jan 30, 2020

createdtoworship said:
didn't know any one was a teen but ok.

Greta is 17, so yes she is a teen.

createdtoworship · Jan 30, 2020

Skreeper said:
Greta is 17, so yes she is a teen.

ok, thanks for letting me know. I didn't know I was talking to greta, I will pay more attention.

Skreeper · Jan 30, 2020

createdtoworship said:
ok, thanks for letting me know. I didn't know I was talking to greta, I will pay more attention.

Don't worry about it. Just make sure you repent before going to sleep and I'm sure your God will forgive you.

thomas_t · Jan 30, 2020

createdtoworship said:
So the burden lies on you, the one who created the thread to prove man made global warming is alarming and dangerous.

this thread is about sources people use to argue against global warming and it being man-made.

createdtoworship said:
I do have links but I am not going to post them.

You came up with positive claims made here LINK, the onus is on you to prove them.

createdtoworship said:
Then there is simply no correlation to mans contributions to global warming. So I am waiting for those peer reviews.

you're coming up with the claim here, so the onus is on you to substanciate it by providing decent sourcing.

You're talking about science but never gave a single source throughout this thread, it's embarrassing.
Matthew 12:36 says there is a price to pay for this kind of behavior.

Please, it's a serious topic.
Burning forests, droughts and so on...

You are the one wanting proof? Even if it's just likely that climate change is man made... then man has to react and put an end to this, already. I'm repeating myself here, I said this in post #22, FYI.

createdtoworship said:
again global warming is real, it's just not significant from what I have seen evidentially speaking.

Below, on page 9 of the attached file, the graph shows that German forests are suffering. And the year of 2019 isn't even taken into account yet, but it was the worst for the forests from my perspective. There was a severe drought in Germany and now many trees are dead. In Australia it must be even more devastating. For me, that's significant enough.

createdtoworship · Jan 30, 2020

thomas_t said:
this thread is about sources people use to argue against global warming and it being man-made.

You came up with positive claims made here LINK, the onus is on you to prove them.

you're coming up with the claim here, so the onus is on you to substanciate it by providing decent sourcing.

You're talking about science but never gave a single source throughout this thread, it's embarrassing.
Matthew 12:36 says there is a price to pay for this kind of behavior.

Please, it's a serious topic.
Burning forests, droughts and so on...

You are the one wanting proof? Even if it's just likely that climate change is man made... then man has to react and put an end to this, already. I'm repeating myself here, I said this in post #22, FYI.

Below, on page 9 of the attached file, the graph shows that German forests are suffering. And the year of 2019 isn't even taken into account yet, but it was the worst for the forests from my perspective. There was a severe drought in Germany and now many trees are dead. In Australia it must be even more devastating. For me, that's significant enough.
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I didn't think you could prove global warming, I just want everyone to see this. People think man is warming the globe at an alarming rate. And that simply is not the case, evidentially. Thanks for relieving me of this debate. I could try to defend my position, but in reality global warming is the one who started this debate, they are the ones who first need to make their case. After they prove their point, I may feel more inclined to put more effort in, until that day. Thanks and I will see you around. (unsubscribing)

Strathos · Jan 30, 2020

IMO the only reason so many Christians are opposed to taking action on climate change is the fact that conservatives have made it into a political issue (which it really shouldn't be), and the fact that the right wing in America has hijacked Christianity over the last half century to the point where being Christian and Republican are treated as near-synonymous, which is absolutely ridiculous.

Jesus specifically said that He wasn't trying to get involved with worldly politics. Christians shouldn't feel like they are beholden to any political party or ideology.

createdtoworship · Jan 31, 2020

thomas_t said:
Below, on page 9 of the attached file, the graph shows that German forests are suffering. And the year of 2019 isn't even taken into account yet, but it was the worst for the forests from my perspective. There was a severe drought in Germany and now many trees are dead. In Australia it must be even more devastating. For me, that's significant enough.
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sorry I didn't read the full post earlier, again droughts are not global warming. There may be correlation, there may not be. Droughts can happen for a host of reasons. So a peer review proving that the droughts are because of a universal run away warming that is man caused, is key here. I can help a little bit for you guys..... search google scholar. They have a great data base of peer review content. There are many peer reviews on the warming of the planet, but I don't see many on the fact that man is causing it. So that again would have to be proven versus like I said a warming cycle caused by natural means. Again if weather goes in cycles, warm, cold, warmer, colder... then that is what mother nature does, who are you to say this is not just a reset so that winters are not too cold, or get too cold. Because cold winters people die just as much or more than warm summers. So again it's all relative, is warming bad? In a green house, plants thrive. Is increased vegetation due to increased co2 bad? That provides more oxygen. With more oxygen in the world, you heal over bruises cuts and other ailments twice or three times as fast, you probably live longer with more oxygen rich environments. Look up hyperbaric oxygen therapy for sources on how oxygen is healthy for our body, each cell needs it.

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