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Planting trees without ryme or reason can lead to long-lasting droughts and plentyfull other problems.

You can't just plant trees on every free square inch, you have to actually think this through.

We can't seem to even keep the trees we already have. Forest fires happen on such a regular basis that the western United States even has a season for it: California's fire season has been bad. But it could have been much worse

More trees=more fires=more carbon dioxide released from the fires, not to mention all that smoke.
 
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Forest fires are natural and have great ecological value. Carbon in the form of fossil fuels is the problem.

But don't wildfires kill most of the trees involved? From what I've looked up, that's the case, but not always. Even if plant life recovers in the fire area, the trees that were there that took decades to grow won't be back to their original size for decades in the future.
 
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Extinction means everyone, yes.

Then I suppose all those nuclear weapons could be put to good use after all. 6 billion people dead. The entire human race wiped out. A good thing, huh?
I won't even bother asking what you think of that program in your country back in the early to middle part of the 1900s that killed 1/1,000th that many people. Most of us don't think that it should be applied to the entire human race.
 
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Then I suppose all those nuclear weapons could be put to good use after all. 6 billion people dead. The entire human race wiped out. A good thing, huh?
I doubt mankind will bomb itself into extinction. Propably a mixture of climate change and other disasters, coupled with a plague or three. More of a death of a thousand cuts than one single event. There will propably still be remnants of mankind when its survival is no longer feasible.

There's way more than 6 billion people, by the way.

In my opinion, mankind has become to smart for its own good. Intelligence without proper ethical support is an evolutionary dead end.
 
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This strikes me as something of a lazy man's approach to addressing the problem, but if it works...

It sounds great until you realize that there is an expectation that global warming will increase the incidents of drought and fire.

Planting trees is a good step, but it's not a comprehensive way to address the problem.
 
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The planting of trees is a good move that must also be carefully planned. However, this should not be an excuse to reduce efforts to reduce atmospheric pollutants and stop the tragic burning of the rain forests in the Amazon and Indonesia. Planting trees will not of itself stop the poisoning of our planet.
 
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I'll support the president on this. One does wonder if we will still have enough park land left to house so many trees after reducing/selling/leasing a bunch of it off to oil companies though.
 
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The ecosystem is constantly changing. Kill a deer (with a gun or vehicle) and you change the ecosystem of 40 acres of deer habitat. If the deer lives and reproduces that also changes that 40 acre ecosystem. Farming is ecological 'change' on a biblical scale.
I was just reading about something similar this morning. You might find this interesting:
Scientists Are Simulating Mass Animal Die-Offs in an Oklahoma Prairie

This was about mass extinction events, in miniature.


It's one thing to see a still photo of a river of maggots; quite another to see it moving. :sick:
 
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Planting trees without ryme or reason can lead to long-lasting droughts and plentyfull other problems.

You can't just plant trees on every free square inch, you have to actually think this through.

You mean we can't just cover Utah, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas with trees and magically fix things?
 
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I've planted many a tree in my time. Even with boulder-strewn clay soil, depending on the size of the tree, it's not much work.

I have put many in with a gravel soil and clay as well. Rarely can a shovel be used at first until getting down to the clay underneath all the rocks. I have HAD to use a pickax/mattock to get through the rocks.

Yeah, right. :rolleyes: You're welcome to pretend that that was what I was doing.

And I said it was work to plant trees, not hard work. You said its not much work, but you used the word, work. So you agreed that it was work, just not much work, in your opinion.

It's not pretending, you admitted it was work by your own words, just not much work where you put in the trees you planted. And yes, it does depend on the size of the trees. If you are going to deny what your actual words are, then nothing can be done for your pretending that you didn't actually say, 'its not much WORK. That was my point. You admitted and agreed that it was work, though not much. That was all I was saying. But I will expect your next pretending response.
 
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The term "work" doesn't always suggest physical effort. Millions go to "work" each day to a comfortable chair in a climate controlled office and lift nothing heavier than a cup of coffee.
 
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I doubt mankind will bomb itself into extinction. Propably a mixture of climate change and other disasters, coupled with a plague or three. More of a death of a thousand cuts than one single event. There will propably still be remnants of mankind when its survival is no longer feasible.

There's way more than 6 billion people, by the way.

In my opinion, mankind has become to smart for its own good. Intelligence without proper ethical support is an evolutionary dead end.

It's almost as if mankind needs a saviour.
 
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You mean we can't just cover Utah, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas with trees and magically fix things?

Even if that were done, it wouldn't be considered good enough. Even if every American drove an electric vehicle fueled by power gained from solar and wind energy, it would only be called a "good first step". Even if we then taxed everyone on earth 10% of their income as a "climate tax", it would only be considered "progress, but not an end". Everyone could then be banned from eating meat, and farmers could no longer raise cattle, and we'd still be said to have a long way to go.
Only human extinction will be considered to be "good enough". But then, who would be around to know whether the earth warmed up a few degrees or not as a result?
 
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trump says "we will plant Trillions of Trees now" because

Trump announces the USA will join planting trillions of trees initiative


because

Planting Trillions of Trees will Cancel Out Decades of CO2 Emission say Scientists

There is enough room in the world’s existing parks, forests, deserts and abandoned land to plant trillions of additional trees, which would have the CO2 storage capacity to cancel out decades of carbon dioxide emissions, according to a new analysis by ecologist Thomas Crowther and colleagues at ETH Zurich, a Swiss university.

Trees are “our most powerful weapon in the fight against climate change,” Crowther told The Independent. Combining forest inventory data from 1.2 million locations around the world and satellite images, the scientists estimate there are 3 trillion trees on Earth — seven times more than previous estimates. and they also found that there is abundant space to restore millions of acres of additional forests, not counting urban and agricultural land.

“There’s 400 gigatons [of CO2 stored] now in the 3 trillion trees,” Crowther said. “If we were to scale that up by Planting trillions of more trees now, because that’s in the order of hundreds of gigatons captured from the atmosphere – and anthropogenic emissions will completely be wiped out.”

Planting Trillions of Trees will Cancel Out a Decades of CO2 Emissions, Scientists Find

How to erase 100 years of carbon emissions? Plant trees—lots of them.

and there are more than 2000 species of trees with

edible fruits and nuts and berries and olives and

trees have medicinal properties.

trees produce 21 Million calories per acre

trees produce oxygen and wealth and wildlife habitat and food and timber.



cows produce 1 Million calories per acre

cows produce

Methane which is 30 times higher effect heat-trapping greenhouse gas





should we drain the oceans now?







Despite COVID, Amazon deforestation races higher


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Amazon Rainforest Reaches Point of No Return




The man who grew his own Amazon rainforest
 
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A 20' tree can go without watering except rain fall. A 6" tree needs to be pampered with a steady supply of water until its' roots get deep enough. Maybe one tube for each baby tree from a local fresh water supply. You may have millions of hoses and tubes branching off so the baby trees get enough water.
The USFS plants countless 6" trees throughout the national forests and never does a thing with them until it's time to cut them down.
 
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