"Every life brings love into this world."

now faith · Jan 25, 2020

Silmarien said:
It should absolutely be the responsibility of the taxpayer that the unborn have universal access to healthcare, regardless of the economic status of their parents. Fetal development is crucial.

As for paid parental leave, that isn't a matter of "irresponsible parenthood" anymore than paid sick leave and paid vacation time are. Honestly, the idea of "irresponsible parenthood" is a little gross in general--that's precisely why we have people arguing that abortion is the morally correct, responsible option.

How can you make a life choice based on a social welfare entitlement ?

faroukfarouk · Jan 25, 2020

Silmarien said:
It should absolutely be the responsibility of the taxpayer that the unborn have universal access to healthcare, regardless of the economic status of their parents. Fetal development is crucial.

As for paid parental leave, that isn't a matter of "irresponsible parenthood" anymore than paid sick leave and paid vacation time are. Honestly, the idea of "irresponsible parenthood" is a little gross in general--that's precisely why we have people arguing that abortion is the morally correct, responsible option.

The Bible speaks of fornication.

Nithavela · Jan 25, 2020

now faith said:
How can you make a life choice based on a social welfare entitlement ?

How can't you make a life choice without factoring in every variable, including social wellfare support.

Larniavc · Jan 25, 2020

redleghunter said:
Judge not I think comes to mind here.

Wasn’t that line about hypocrisy, rather than not judging per se?

My understanding is that Christ drew the distinction between discernment and condemnation (was it the Sermon on the mount- can’t remember).

So it would be proper to say ‘yeah Trump is a cad and a scoundrel but I can’t condemn him for that what with me being a sinner and all’?

Mountainmanbob · Jan 25, 2020

FireDragon76 said:
Trump's words at the Rally for Life:

This is pure sentimentalism divorced from the reality. There are plenty of unwanted and unloved children out there, and babies have to be nurtured to actually be loving, they don't come that way by default. I'm not saying that to justify abortion necessarily, but this issue involves real women facing real choices, not Hallmark moments than can be answered with glittering generalities.

Being one that has attended Christian Abortion Recovery Groups, I say -- and my Church says -- good job Mr. President Trump.
M-Bob

KCfromNC · Jan 25, 2020

Silmarien said:
Can we talk about the joy of not having mandatory paid parental leave and universal health coverage for maternal health, Mr. President?

Not to mention the possibility of cuts to Medicare and Social Security.

KCfromNC · Jan 25, 2020

redleghunter said:
The inappropriate content star lawyer is in jail.

Just like Donald's. So what?

iluvatar5150 · Jan 25, 2020

now faith said:
You may have missed it if you are chained to propaganda.

I did miss it and I’ve looked for it. Got a link or a quote or a date or something?

FireDragon76 · Jan 25, 2020

Silmarien said:
It should absolutely be the responsibility of the taxpayer that the unborn have universal access to healthcare, regardless of the economic status of their parents. Fetal development is crucial.

As for paid parental leave, that isn't a matter of "irresponsible parenthood" anymore than paid sick leave and paid vacation time are. Honestly, the idea of "irresponsible parenthood" is a little gross in general--that's precisely why we have people arguing that abortion is the morally correct, responsible option.

While I'm more on the pro-choice side of things, at least you have articulated a genuinely pro-life ethic.

Blaming somebody for being a parent is sort of like being angry at the tide for coming in..

FireDragon76 · Jan 25, 2020

now faith said:
Real Human rights are not up to debate.
Murder is murder no matter who's choice they presume.

Couching that rhetoric in gross generalizations is what I'm objecting to. Pulling at peoples heart strings without seriously engaging their intellect is the stuff that politicians tend to do, but it doesn't make their cause true or just in doing so.

FireDragon76 · Jan 25, 2020

faroukfarouk said:
The Bible speaks of fornication.

Which has nothing to do with the value of actual parents and their children.

expos4ever · Jan 25, 2020

iluvatar5150 said:
But not enough joy, apparently, to keep dad at home instead of running into the arms of a inappropriate contentstar.

Ouuuuuuch!

Well played!

expos4ever · Jan 25, 2020

now faith said:
Our President has proclaimed His faith in Christ.
I really see no reason to believe other wise.

By their fruits, by their fruits.

Silmarien · Jan 25, 2020

now faith said:
How can you make a life choice based on a social welfare entitlement ?

Conception isn't a life choice. The fetus doesn't "choose" to not have appropriate pre-natal healthcare.

faroukfarouk said:
The Bible speaks of fornication.

You think that low income married couples are committing fornication?

Silmarien · Jan 25, 2020

FireDragon76 said:
While I'm more on the pro-choice side of things, at least you have articulated a genuinely pro-life ethic.

Blaming somebody for being a parent is sort of like being angry at the tide for coming in..

I used to be pro-choice, but the movement has radicalized to such an extent that I no longer believe that the underlying philosophy is sound. The propaganda war against the pro-life position hasn't helped.

I lean pro-life, but the movement is such a disaster that I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole. I was eyeing this year's march with some interest, since the theme "Pro-Life is Pro-Woman" indicated at least some desire to actually address the underlying women's issues, but I'm not exactly impressed.

TLK Valentine · Jan 25, 2020

redleghunter said:
Judge not I think comes to mind here.

Keep thinking that as you excuse Donald's sin.

Tigger45 · Jan 25, 2020

iluvatar5150 said:
But not enough joy, apparently, to keep dad at home instead of running into the arms of a inappropriate contentstar.

Fidelity isn’t determined by external influences but by internal integrity.

Halbhh · Jan 25, 2020

redleghunter said:
What’s your church doing about that?

The church participates in feeding families between jobs, which for older children can help quite a lot obviously. Why do you ask in relation to family leave, which is about labor law?

Halbhh · Jan 25, 2020

faroukfarouk said:
You mean, it's the taxpayer's job to bankroll the results of irresponisible parenthood?

What a nasty and sinful slander to accuse working parents that way.

1 Corinthians 6:10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

It's urgent to repent of such.

redleghunter · Jan 25, 2020

Halbhh said:
The church participates in feeding families between jobs, which for older children can help quite a lot obviously. Why do you ask in relation to family leave, which is about labor law?

I asked because as you note that is what we should be doing.

"Every life brings love into this world."

Veteran

Fading curmudgeon

our world is happy and mundane

Leading a blameless life

Goat Whisperer

Regular Member

Regular Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Existentialist

Existentialist

I've already read the books you want burned.

Pray like your life depends on it!

Everything You say is Life to me

Everything You say is Life to me

Thank You Jesus!

Similar threads