Three Kingdom Baptisms Versus One Baptism For Today 01.20.2020

Terral · Jan 20, 2020

Greetings to All:

This thread is dedicated to deliberations on the differences between the Four Baptisms of the New Testament connected to the Two Gospels (link) and Two Churches (link) of the New Testament from previous deliberations. There are three baptisms for the "Gospel of the Kingdom" and just one baptism for Paul's "Word of the Cross" gospel message. Read Acts 19:1-6 to realize “preaching the kingdom” (Acts 20:24-27) includes three distinct baptisms of the Father (John’s Baptism; Acts 19:3), and the Son (“name of Jesus Christ;” Acts 19:5), and the Holy Spirit (“laid his hands upon them:” Acts 19:6) from Matthew 28:19.

There are three baptisms depicting passage or "The Way" through the three sections of the Tabernacle of Moses and the Temple (diagram and diagram) for the disciples of the Prophetic Kingdom "Bride" (Church #1 here). However, Paul writes [my notes],
Ephesians 4:4-6.

Scripture is describing three separate baptisms in the first series of verses in Acts 19:1-6. These events become more dramatic when we realize that they occur about six years after Peter and Paul’s meeting in Jerusalem (Acts 15 = 50 AD), or in about 56 AD. That means that these Kingdom Disciples traveled the countryside for about 25 years with only the “baptism of John.” Then, after hearing the good news about Jesus Christ and His coming, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus (second Kingdom Baptism into the "Holy Place" of the Temple). And yet, these disciples had not even heard of Christ nor the Holy Spirit and obviously did not receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Then, when Paul laid hands upon them (kingdom baptism #3), they all received the gift of the Holy Spirit and began speaking in tongues.

The writer of Acts is quoting Paul here in describing three individual and different baptisms for the "Gospel of the Kingdom." Matt. 4:23, 9:35, etc.. This is in full agreement with Christ’s Great Commission commands to the Kingdom Disciples from Matthew 28:19-20 and Mark 16:15-16.

The Three Kingdom Baptisms:

1. Of the Father: John’s Baptism (sent by God; John 1:6, Luke 1:76-78) is the baptism of the Father. As it is written,
John 1:33.
2. Of the Son: This second baptism for the Gospel of the Kingdom was given after the disciple repented and confessed his sins to be water baptized by another kingdom disciple. Paul said,
Acts 19:4+5.
3. Of the Holy Spirit: This third for the Gospel of the Kingdom was done by someone like Peter or John who already had the 'gift of the Holy Spirit' from falling at Pentecost (Acts 2):
Acts 19:6.

Now these 'disciples' were shown "The Way" leading into the Holy of Holies where they could then receive the Holy Spirit by the WORK of laying hands. Scripture provides another good example of the three “Gospel of the Kingdom” baptisms in Acts 8:12-17. While our first example (Acts 19:1-6) was about men who knew only of the baptism of John, these people had received the first two baptisms of the kingdom (in water 'and' in the name of Jesus). They had to wait on Peter and John to come and lay hands on them to receive the “gift of the Holy Spirit.” These two examples show that it was possible for a period to pass between these baptisms of the Father (#1), Son (#2) and Holy Spirit (#3). However, Paul declares that there is only “one baptism” for members of Christ’s body. Eph. 4:5.

There is just one baptism for the members of the Body of Christ (Church #2) called to God via Gospel #2 (here). The first chapter to the Corinthians contains examples of Paul baptizing in water, because that two-port-city church had members from both the Kingdom (of Apollos and of Cephas) 'and' Grace Administrations. The Kingdom Epistles describe the three baptisms for the coming Kingdom Administration (diagram = in light blue). However today, the Holy Spirit seals (Eph 1:13-14, 4:30) the member of the Body of Christ (that's us) into 'Christ's Body' (1Cor 12:27) the moment we are obedient to the message of truth, the gospel of our salvation. Paul writes to Gentiles,

“In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation--having also believed, you were sealed "IN" Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God's own possession, to the praise of His glory.” Ephesians 1:13+14.

“For even as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ. For by one Spirit 'we' [Church #2 brethren] were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and 'we' were all made to drink of one Spirit. For the body is not one member, but many.” 1Corinthians 12:12-14.

“For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For 'all of you' [Church #2] who were baptized 'into Christ' have clothed yourselves with Christ.” Galatians 3:26+27.

Under Paul’s Gospel (Romans 2:16, Romans 16:25, etc.), we are baptized into the Body of Christ on the cross at Calvary the moment we believe. It is through the “power of God” (Rom. 1:16+17) through Paul's Gospel of the Grace of God that 'we' become active participants in His death, burial and resurrection. Romans 6:3-4, Galatians 3:26-27.

All the words above take us back to the cross; and NOT to the Jordan River. There is no water in these Pauline verses at all. Zero! As members of His body, we died with Him on the cross (Gal. 2:20), were buried in His tomb and raised with Him to be seated in the heavenly places "IN" Christ Jesus. (See Eph. 2:4-7 again). Our lives are now hidden with Christ "IN" God. Col. 3:3.

Paul’s one baptism into Christ's Body is nothing like the three Kingdom baptisms for the "Gospel of the Kingdom," and they are to be understood totally separate from each other. Paul is seen preaching the three baptisms to the Kingdom disciples in Acts 19, because he preached both the Gospel of the Kingdom 'and' the Gospel of the grace of God (read very carefully Paul’s words in Acts 20:24-27).

To apply these things to this CF.com debate: There is one baptism for the members of the Body of Christ today. Those who seek to enter the Kingdom of God on earth as Disciples, in the coming Kingdom Dispensation, shall be baptized three times in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Do you see the four baptisms in the New Testament for the Kingdom Bride and Mystery Body of Christ? Good luck in the debate.

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

Mathetes66 · Jan 20, 2020

"This thread is dedicated to deliberations on the differences between the Four Baptisms of the New Testament connected to the Two Gospels (link) and Two Churches (link) of the New Testament from previous deliberations."

This erroneous teaching has been long refuted. The scariest thing anyone promoting this false teaching is what the Apostle Paul told the Galatians before & now states again, not once, but twice for full emphasis & impact--& I hope people of this heterodox doctrine take heed:

Galatians 1:6-9 I marvel that you are TURNING AWAY SO SOON FROM HIM who called you in the grace of Christ, to a DIFFERENT GOSPEL, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you & want to pervert THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST.

8But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach ANY OTHER GOSPEL to you than what we have preached to you, let him be ACCURSED. 9AS WE HAVE SAID BEFORE, SO NOW I SAY AGAIN, if ANYONE preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be ACCURSED.

But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST.

What has been distorted & perverted is confusing THE MYSTERY of the one gospel of Jesus Christ as another gospel apart from the one Jesus & all the apostles preached, the same gospel Paul preached, only Paul took this gospel to the Gentiles & some of the other apostles to the Jews.

Eph 1:And in Him, having heard & believed THE word of truth—THE gospel of your salvation—you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit...

Eph 3:2ff Surely you have heard about the stewardship of God’s grace that was given to me for you, that is, THE MYSTERY made known to me by revelation, as I have already written briefly.

4In READING THIS, then, you will BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND MY INSIGHT INTO THE MYSTERY OF CHRIST, which was not made known to men in other generations as it has NOW BEEN REVEALED BY THE SPIRIT TO GOD'S HOLY APOSTLES & PROPHETS.

6This MYSTERY is that THROUGH THE GOSPEL--the Gentiles are FELLOW heirs, FELLOW members of the body & FELLOW partakers of THE PROMISE IN CHRIST JESUS.

This one gospel message, THE Word of truth, THE gospel of Jesus Christ had a mystery component to it that God made manifest THROUGH THE APOSTLES--PLURAL! This same mystery of the one gospel message that Paul preached was preached by the Apostle Peter BEFORE Paul was even saved & called.

The Gentile believers were saved in the SAME WAY as the Jewish believers, with the same message of the one gospel. God showed Peter there is no DISTINCTION--all who call upon the name of the LORD will be saved--both Jew & Gentile. It was just a matter of TIMING & FULFILLING SCRIPTURE.

Just as Peter preached the one gospel 'good news' of Jesus Christ to the Jews on Pentecost, so he was the first to use the keys given him by Christ (before Paul was even saved!) to open the door for the Gentiles salvation--preaching the same gospel message to the Gentiles in Caesarea.

Acts 11:9-17 But the voice answered me again from heaven, ‘What God has cleansed you must not call common.’ Now this was done three times & all were drawn up again into heaven.

11At that very moment, three men stood before the house where I was, having been sent to me from Caesarea. Then the Spirit told me to go with them, doubting nothing. Moreover these six brethren accompanied me & we entered the man’s house.

13And he told us how he had seen an angel standing in his house, who said to him, ‘Send men to Joppa & call for Simon whose surname is Peter, who will tell you words BY WHICH you & all your household will be SAVED.’

15And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them, JUST AS UPON US AT THE BEGINNING. Then I REMEMBERED the word of the Lord, how HE SAID, ‘John indeed baptized with water, but you shall be baptized WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT.’

17If therefore God gave them THE SAME GIFT AS HE GAVE US WHEN WE BELIEVED ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, who was I that I could WITHSTAND GOD?”

Acts 15:7ff And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up & said to them: “Men & brethren, you know that a GOOD WHILE AGO GOD CHOSE among us, that BY MY MOUTH THE GENTILES SHOULD HEAR THE WORD of THE GOSPEL & BELIEVE.

8So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, JUST AS HE DID TO US & made NO DISTINCTION BETWEEN US & THEM, purifying their hearts BY FAITH.

10Now therefore, why do you TEST GOD by putting a yoke on the neck of THE DISCIPLES which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? But we believe that THROUGH THE GRACE OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, WE WILL BE SAVED IN THE SAME MANNER AS THEY.”

Terral · Jan 20, 2020

Hi Mathetes:

Thank you for writing on the Baptisms thread. You wrote

Mathetes66 said:
This erroneous teaching has been long refuted. The scariest thing anyone promoting this false teaching is what the Apostle Paul states, not once, but twice for full emphasis & impact--& I hope people of this heterodox doctrine take heed... [snip]

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Maybe a good idea would be to "quote >>" from the Opening Post to present your rebuttal-argument using statements supported by Scripture. 2 Timothy 2:15. Quoting the entire Bible in the absence of interpretation is throwing effort after foolishness. Paul's statements are to the Galatians who obeyed the "gospel to the Uncircumcised" (Galatians 2:7) only given to him through "a revelation of Jesus Christ" (Galatians 1:11-12) only after God raised Christ from the dead "and" after Paul was converted on the road to Damascus in Acts 9.

There is a whole lot of baptizing going on starting in Mark 1 and throughout the Four Gospels and Acts relating to the "Gospel of the Kingdom" (#1 in my OP) having nothing whatsoever to do with these Galatians at all. Zip, zero, nada, nothing. John the Baptist, Christ and the Twelve are all gathering members to the Prophetic Kingdom Bride (#1 in my OP) having part in a totally different "dispensation" (#3622) having nothing to do with our Mystery Body of Christ (Church #2) at all. NOTHING. Since you are writing in the Dispensationalism Forum, then we should assume you know the definition of the term that means "primarily signifies the management of a household or of household affairs." Since Paul is confronting Peter over the "truth of the gospel" (Gal. 2:11-14), then we can conclude that Peter is just then learning about Paul's "gospel of the grace of God" that has nothing to do with the "Gospel of the Kingdom" Peter preached from day one.

Speaking of those who are accursed!!! Please allow me to point out the dangers being directed to others by your assumptions that distort the "wisdom given him," by mixing doctrinal precepts teaching the Gospel of the Kingdom "and" the Gospel of the Grace of God (Acts 9:24-27) preached to these Galatians.

"Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him [mystery: Eph. 3:3, Col. 1:24-27, etc.], wrote to you, as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand [like Paul's "gospel to the Uncircumcised"], which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction." 2Peter 3:14-16.

My questions to you:

1. Do you see the Two Gospels (Gospel of the Kingdom and Gospel of the Grace of God) in the NT?
2. Do you see the Two Churches (bride and body) in the NT?

Answering "No" would explain why you appear to be mixing the doctrinal precepts teaching the Two Gospels and Two Churches together to create one gospel and one church that has no place in Biblical reality at all.

Terral

Mathetes66 · Jan 20, 2020

Thank you, too! But I'm not going to REPEAT what I believe is false teaching, distorting the gospel. I give people credit for being intelligent enough to read the OP.

1. Do you see the Two Gospels (Gospel of the Kingdom and Gospel of the Grace of God) in the NT?
2. Do you see the Two Churches (bride and body) in the NT?

Answering "No" would explain why you appear to be mixing the doctrinal precepts teaching the Two Gospels and Two Churches together to create one gospel and one church that has no place in Biblical reality at all.

Absolutely I say NO to both false teachings that have only came in the recent past. This is not what has been passed down to the saints right up to today from the historic apostolic churches. So I reject your judgment on me mixing these things up. Scripture doesn't do that, men do, seeking to confuse the unity in the Spirit.

Eph 4:4,5 There is ONE BODY & ONE Spirit, just as you were called to ONE hope when you were called; ONE Lord, ONE faith, ONE baptism...

Eph 2:14ff For He Himself is our peace, who made BOTH GROUPS INTO ONE & broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that IN HIMSELF He might make THE TWO INTO ONE NEW MAN, thus establishing peace--

16and might reconcile them BOTH IN ONE BODY TO GOD THROUGH THE CROSS, by it having put to death the enmity. And He came & preached peace TO YOU who were far away & peace TO THOSE who were near--

18for through Him WE BOTH have our access in ONE SPIRIT to the Father. So then you are no longer strangers & aliens, but you are FELLOW citizens with the saints & are of God’s HOUSEHOLD--

20having been built on the foundation of the APOSTLES & PROPHETS, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, in whom THE WHOLE BUILDING, being fitted together, is growing into A HOLY TEMPLE in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together into a DWELLING PLACE OF GOD IN THE SPIRIT.

John 10:14-16 I am the good shepherd & I know my sheep & am known by Mine, according as the Father knows Me & I know the Father & My life I lay down for the sheep. There are other sheep which belong to Me that are not in this sheep pen. I must bring them, too; they will listen to My voice & they will become ONE flock with ONE shepherd.

I Pet 2:5 You also, like living stones, are being built into a SPIRITUAL HOUSE to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

What Jesus taught is what the apostles taught & what the prophets taught, the same message!

ONE eternal kingdom with ONE King, ONE flock with ONE Shepherd & ONE Lord, ONE spiritual household, ONE dwelling place of God in the Spirit, ONE body, ONE church that Jesus is STILL building, ONE holy temple, ONE building of God, ONE new man in Christ, ONE bride, ONE faith we all believe & follow that was ONCE DELIVERED TO THE SAINTS, ONE baptism (of the Spirit that Jesus does, that baptizes every believer into the one body of Christ), ONE group of believers, both Jew & Gentile into ONE, ONE holy nation, ONE people for God's holy possession--AND THE LIST GOES ON from Genesis to Revelation.

com7fy8 · Jan 20, 2020

Paul speaks of the kingdom of God, along with how we have been baptized into the death of Jesus.

Romans 14:17 > this is in the Holy Spirit, not only at some time of history on this earth.

Romans 6:3 > this, by the way, talks about whoever is baptized into Jesus Himself. Anyone not in Christ is not His body or His church.

Plus, Paul is clear how we in Jesus are "neither bond nor free", "neither male nor female", "neither Jew nor Greek" > Galatians 3:28.

Guojing · Jan 21, 2020

Mathetes66 said:
What Jesus taught is what the apostles taught & what the prophets taught, the same message!

What was preached in the 4 Gospels versus what was preached by Paul in 1 Cor 15:1-4, are they all the same message?

com7fy8 · Jan 21, 2020

"He who is not with Me is against Me" (in Matthew 12:30, and also in Luke 11:23).

Jesus has Jews who are with Him, along with Gentiles who are with Jesus.

And there are Jews and Gentiles who are against Jesus, because they are not with Him.

So, there are no neutral groups who are not one way or the other.

Already, Jesus has Jews who are with Him, and if we are with Jesus we are one with Him and each other; no one with Jesus is separate in some special group, away from Christ and other children of God > we all are in His body which is His church. But there are Jews who are against Jesus, therefore in Satan's group > John 8:44.

But Terral you said:
Two Churches (bride and body)

Paul himself was a Jew, and he spoke of converted Gentiles as being his equal. You might see this through how he says "we all once" "were by nature children of wrath, just as the others." (in Ephesians 2:2)

So, in sin ones were all in the same group . . . of children of Satan.

In Colossians 1:23, our Apostle Paul speaks of "His body, which is the church."

So, in Jesus we all are in the same group . . . children of God.

God is about family ! ! ! So, what would be the motive of ones claiming that Christians are in different groups? There are anti-family people. Satan is about division, so he can divide and conquer and control. But our Heavenly Father is about union and communion as family, in personal sharing and caring. But there are people who are into their more or less impersonal independence and having their own control. So, these can fall for separation doctrines which would claim that Jesus has His body separate from His church.

His body is His church. We all are in His love

Mathetes66 · Jan 21, 2020

What was preached in the 4 Gospels versus what was preached by Paul in 1 Cor 15:1-4, are they all the same message?

Short answer is yes. Long answer is to practice Acts 17:11 & do one's homework & study of the Scriptures. One must be careful not to pull I Cor 15:1-4 out of its context as Paul goes on to explain in further detail what he said at the beginning, in the chapter.

I Cor 15:1-11 Now I would remind you, brothers, of THE gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand & by which you are BEING SAVED, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

3For I delivered to you as of FIRST IMPORTANCE--what I also RECEIVED--that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that He was buried, that He was raised on the 3rd day according to the Scriptures & that He appeared to Cephas, then to the 12.

6Then He appeared to more than 500 brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep. Then He appeared to James, then to ALL THE APOSTLES. Last of all, as to one untimely born, He appeared also to me...So then, whether IT WAS I OR THEY--so WE PREACH & so you believed.

You will notice that Paul says the simple foundational elements of 'the' one gospel message is first in importance, not to be ignored. Second, you will notice this wasn't 'the' gospel message Paul decided on his own to preach--HE ALSO RECEIVED IT. The also is referring to the other apostles who received it also from Jesus & they all in turn preached the one gospel message that ALL THE PROPHETS foretold about. That is the 'we' Paul is talking about.

It wasn't Paul's gospel. It was the gospel of the Messiah. The Spirit of Jesus first spoke it through the prophets who predicted it would happen. Jesus spoke it to the 12 apostles. They also received it in turn & preached it, quoting from the prophets like Jesus did.

Lastly, Paul was saved by grace through faith, confessing Jesus as Lord (Acts 9) & received the one gospel message from Jesus Christ Himself as well & he also quoted it as it was revealed by the prophets. That is from whom he RECEIVED it!

People easily forget that the only Scriptures they had, including Paul was the OT SCRIPTURES, because the NT hadn't been written yet AND ALSO THE WORD OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, explaining these Scriptures concerning Himself.

One simply compares & correlates throughout Scripture, not isolating I Cor 15:1-4.

Acts 26:22,23 But I {Paul} have had God’s help to this day & I stand here to TESTIFY to small & great alike. I AM SAYING NOTHING BEYOND WHAT THE PROPHETS & MOSES SAID WOULD HAPPEN: that the Messiah would suffer & be the FIRST to rise from the dead & He would be the first to proclaim light both to the Jewish people & to the GENTILES.

I Cor 15:20-23 Paul states here again, the same message--that Jesus is the first to rise from the dead, the first fruits. Paul's message is consistent, the same message he received from the Lord Jesus Christ by direct revelation & the same message that was preached by Moses, ALL the prophets & the Writings (Psalms, etc.).

Mt 11:13 Before John, ALL the prophets & Moses' Law looked forward to this present time.

Matt 5:17 I am come not come to destroy the Law & the prophets, but to fulfill...

Luke 24:27 And beginning with Moses & all the Prophets, He EXPLAINED in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.

Acts 17:2,3 As was his custom, Paul went into the synagogue & on three Sabbaths he reasoned with them FROM THE SCRIPTURES, EXPLAINING & proving that it was necessary for the Christ to suffer & to rise from the dead & saying, “This Jesus, whom I proclaim to you, is the Christ.”

Acts 13:18,19 "But the things which God foretold beforehand by the mouth of ALL the prophets, that His Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled.

Acts 10:43 ALL the prophets testify about Him that everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins through His name."

Acts 3:18,24 But in this way God has fulfilled what He foretold through ALL the prophets, saying that His Christ would suffer. Indeed, ALL the prophets from Samuel on, as many as have spoken, have proclaimed these days.

Acts 9:22 But Saul kept increasing in strength & confounding the Jews who lived at Damascus by proving that this Jesus is the Christ.

Acts 18:28 For he powerfully refuted the Jews in public debate, proving BY THE SCRIPTURES that Jesus is the Christ.

The Old Testament was divided into 3 sections by the Jews: The Law (TORAH of Moses), The Prophets (Nevi'im--major & minor) & the Writings (Ketuvim). All the prophets predicted the basic elements of this one gospel message.

Are you seeing the big picture throughout Scripture emerging? Does it not excite you that this one faith 'once for all received to the saints' (Jude 1:3) is what we are to preach today as well! The WHOLE Bible, the Holy Scriptures talk about it from Genesis to Revelation.

Did Jesus refer back to the Law of Moses & the prophets & the Writings (Psalms, etc.) as predicting the one gospel message that Jesus would have his apostles preach, just like Paul did above? Yes, of course, because Paul received it from Jesus, just as the other apostles received it from Christ. They were all CHOSEN to testify & be eye witnesses of the resurrected Christ.

Luke 24:22-33 That same day two of them were going to a village called Emmaus (7 miles from Jerusalem). They were talking...about everything that had happened. And as they talked...Jesus Himself came up & walked along with them...Their eyes were kept from recognizing Him. He asked...“What are you discussing so intently...?”

They stood still, with sadness on their faces. One of them, named Cleopas, asked Him, “Are You the only visitor to Jerusalem who does not know the things that have happened...? “What things?” He asked.

“The events involving Jesus of Nazareth...This man was a prophet, powerful in speech & deeds before God & all the people. Our chief priests & rulers delivered Him up to the sentence of death & they CRUCIFIED HIM...we were hoping He was the One who would redeem Israel...Besides all this, it is the THIRD DAY since these things took place.

22Furthermore, some of our women astounded us. They were at the tomb early this morning, but they did not find His body. They came & told us they had seen a vision of angels who said that Jesus was ALIVE.

25Then Jesus said to them, “O foolish ones, HOW SLOW ARE YOUR HEARTS TO BELIEVE ALL THAT THE PROPHETS HAVE SPOKEN. Was it not necessary for the Christ to SUFFER THESE THINGS & then to enter HIS GLORY?”

27And BEGINNING with Moses & ALL THE PROPHETS, He explained ('exegeted') to them what WAS WRITTEN--IN ALL THE SCRIPTURES ABOUT HIMSELF.

Then their eyes were opened & they recognized Jesus—& He disappeared...They asked one another, “Were not our HEARTS BURNING WITHIN US as He spoke with us on the road & OPENED THE SCRIPTURES TO US?” ...They got up that very hour & returned...

There they found the Eleven & those with them, gathered together & saying, “The Lord has indeed RISEN & has appeared to SIMON!”

Here again we have two disciples of Jesus, one named Cleopas, who were chosen to see the risen Christ & testified, as Paul did, that Jesus suffered & was crucified & has risen from the dead & that He did indeed appear to Simon (Peter).

They gave the same message, same one gospel, same testimony that was first prophesied by Moses & all the prophets & in all the then known Scriptures (OT only), the things concerning Himself--the promised Messiah who would not only set up the one kingdom of God that will last forever, but was the suffering Messiah who would die for the sins of all the people, both Jew & Gentile. And this group of apostles & disciples were eyewitnesses & would proclaim this one gospel message to all nations in the world.

From where did they get this message of 'good news'? Jesus Christ! He explained in all the Scriptures these things that happened that all the prophets spoke about & predicted.

But we are not done. When they get back to Jerusalem from walking, to the upper room, with the doors locked, Jesus appears among them! And what does He tell all of them once again? The same one gospel message throughout all of Scripture, the same one Paul proclaimed, the same one the apostles testified of & that we now testify of today.

Luke 24:36-53 While they were describing these events, Jesus Himself stood among them & said, “Peace be with you.” But they were startled & frightened, thinking they had seen a spirit. “Why are you troubled,” Jesus asked, “& why do doubts (back & forth reasonings) arise in your hearts?

39Look at My hands & My feet. It is I Myself. Touch Me & see—for a spirit does NOT have FLESH & BONES, as you see I have.” 40And when He had said this, He showed them His hands & feet. While they were still in disbelief because of their joy & amazement, He asked them, “Do you have anything here to eat?” So they gave Him a piece of broiled fish & He took it & ate it in front of them.

44Jesus said...“THESE ARE THE WORDS I spoke to you, WHILE I WAS STILL WITH YOU: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about Me in the LAW of Moses, the PROPHETS & the PSALMS.” Then He OPENED their minds to UNDERSTAND the SCRIPTURES.

46He told them, “This is what is WRITTEN: The Christ will SUFFER & RISE from the dead on the 3RD DAY & in His name REPENTANCE & FORGIVENESS OF SINS will be proclaimed TO ALL NATIONS, BEGINNING in Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things.

Again it is the same one gospel message, predicted & foretold by all the prophets & writers of the OT & fulfilled & proclaimed by Jesus, the apostles & all the saints & disciples from that time on until today. Had Jesus told them of this one gospel message BEFORE He was resurrected? Yes, He did.

Luke 9:22 The Son of man must suffer many things & be rejected of the elders & chief priests & scribes & be slain & be raised the third day.

Luke 9:30,31 And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses & Elijah: Who appeared IN GLORY & spoke of His soon DECEASE (departure, death) which He should accomplish at Jerusalem.

Does that not excite you & fill you with joy & cause you to praise the Lord? It does me every time I read ALL the Scriptures & the Lord opens my mind to understand & be able to explain them!

I have challenged others before to see if they can preach the one gospel message only from the OT. This is what the apostles did. This is what the deacon & evangelist Phillip did in Acts with the Ethiopian.

Remember Jesus' instructions as written down by the gospel writer, physician & companion of Paul, Luke?

Acts 1:1ff In the first book, O Theophilus, I have dealt with all that Jesus BEGAN to do & teach, until the day when He was taken up, after He had given COMMANDS through the Holy Spirit to the apostles whom He had chosen. He presented himself ALIVE to them after HIS SUFFERING by many proofs, appearing to them during forty days & speaking about the kingdom of God.

4And while staying with them He ordered them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the Father, which, He said, “you heard from He; for John baptized with water, but YOU WILL BE BAPTIZED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT not many days from now.”

6So when they had come together, they asked him, “Lord, will you AT THIS TIME RESTORE THE KINGDOM TO ISRAEL?” He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by His own authority. But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you & you will be My witnesses IN Jerusalem & in all Judea AND SAMARIA AND TO THE END OF THE EARTH.”

That occurred on Pentecost & the church of Jesus Christ, that He was building, was initiated, seeing 3000 people from all over the world, in Jerusalem at that time, speaking all kinds of languages & dialects, come to Christ, preaching the one gospel message & quoting from the prophets & OT as they did so.

Notice Peter saying in Acts 2:22 & 41--'hear this message' & 'those who embraced this message.' Same gospel message preached as Jesus did, quoting from the OT, showing the fulfillments & preaching 'forgiveness of sins' in His Name, just as Jesus told the apostles & disciples to preach in Luke 24.

Jesus said to wait for the Holy Spirit's baptism & power & to first start in Jerusalem, then to all Judea, then to Samaria & then to the end of the earth.

Some time had passed, Stephen was martyred, the church of Christ was being built up & all were proclaiming the one same gospel message in Jerusalem & all Judea, just as Jesus commanded.

Why the Third Day? The Promise of Resurrection in All of Scripture (to be continued)

Mathetes66 · Jan 21, 2020

What was preached throughout Acts (& the prophets & the gospels & epistles) was THE WORD, THE WORD OF THE LORD, THE WORD OF GOD. (Gen 22:4,5 with Heb 11:19; Jer 7:2; Zech 4:6; Luke 22:61; Acts 6:7; 8:4,25,40; I Pet 1:25; Hosea 4:1; 6:1-3; 13:14; Matt 9:31; Matt 12:40 with Jonah 1:17-2:11; Acts 11:21; 12:24; 13:12,48,49; 19:20, etc.)

Notice the progression & progress of the preaching of the Word of the Lord, the one gospel of our salvation!

Acts 6:7 So the word of God CONTINUED to spread. The number of disciples IN Jerusalem grew rapidly & a great number of priests became obedient to THE FAITH.

Acts 12:24 But the word of God CONTINUED to spread & multiply.
Acts 19:20 So the word of the Lord powerfully CONTINUED to spread & prevail.

Then a persecution occurred & the disciples were scattered. This is where we pick up on Phillip preaching this same gospel message, now to the Samaritans! Notice HOW Luke writes what message Phillip shared: he preached THE WORD (Whose Word? Jesus' of course & the same message the apostles were preaching)

Acts 8:4ff Those who had been scattered PREACHED THE WORD wherever they went. Philip went down to a city in SAMARIA & proclaimed the Messiah to them. The crowds gave their undivided attention to Philip’s MESSAGE & the signs they saw him perform. 7With loud shrieks, unclean spirits came out of many who were possessed & many of the paralyzed & lame were healed. So there was great joy in that city.

But when they believed Philip as he preached THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD AND THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, they were baptized, both men & women.

Remember what Jesus said would happen after His departure?

John 14:12 I am telling you the truth: those who believe in Me will do what I do--yes, they will do even greater things, because I am going to the Father.

Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had RECEIVED THE WORD OF GOD, they sent Peter & John to them, who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then they laid hands on them & they received the Holy Spirit.

Now an angel of the Lord spoke to Philip, saying, “Arise & go toward the south along the road which goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza.” This is desert. So he arose & went. And behold, a man of Ethiopia, a eunuch of great authority under Candace the queen of the Ethiopians, who had charge of all her treasury & had come to Jerusalem to worship, was returning. And sitting in his chariot, he was READING ISAIAH THE PROPHET. 29Then the Spirit said to Philip, “Go near & overtake this chariot.”

30So Philip ran to him & heard him reading the prophet Isaiah & said, “Do you UNDERSTAND what you are reading?”

31And he said, “How can I, unless SOMEONE GUIDES ME?” And he asked Philip to come up & sit with him. The place IN THE SCRIPTURE which he read was this: “He was led as a sheep to the slaughter & as a lamb before its shearer is silent, so He opened not His mouth. In His humiliation His justice was taken away & who will declare His generation?
For His life is taken from the earth.”

34So the eunuch answered Philip & said, “I ask you, of whom does THE PROPHET SAY THIS, of himself or of some other man?” Then Philip opened his mouth & BEGINNING AT THIS SCRIPTURE, HE PREACHED JESUS TO HIM.

Rom 10:14-16 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in Him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching? And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach THE GOOD NEWS (GOSPEL)!”

But not all of them welcomed THE GOOD NEWS. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed OUR MESSAGE?” Consequently, faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. But I ask, did they not hear? Indeed they did: “Their voice has gone out into all the earth,
their words to the ends of the world.” I ask instead: Did Israel not understand? First, Moses says: “I will make you jealous by those who are not a nation; I will make you angry by a nation without understanding.” And Isaiah boldly says: “I was found by those who did not seek Me; I revealed Myself to those who did not ask for Me.”

Here Paul is quoting from the prophets, Moses, Isaiah & Joel. The Jew cannot plead the gospel has not been preached to him. It has been preached both to Jew & Gentile. Both Moses & Isaiah had foretold, predicted the conversion of the Gentiles & Isaiah had also foretold the unbelief of the Jews.

Pulpit Commentary: "According to the same prophet, such universal preaching & consequent hearing, does not always involve universal hearkening; thus showing, in view of the main purpose of his argument, that the fact of the Jews not hearkening now is no evidence that they had not heard. Then he goes on to ask whether any could plead the excuse of not having heard, so as to justify want of the faith that cometh of hearing. Nay, he replies (ver. 18), the sound of the good tidings has gone forth to all the earth, even like the language of nature spoken of in Psalm 19."

I hope that this is helpful in answering your question.

Guojing · Jan 22, 2020

Mathetes66 said:
Short answer is yes. Long answer is to practice Acts 17:11 & do one's homework & study of the Scriptures. One must be careful not to pull I Cor 15:1-4 out of its context as Paul goes on to explain in further detail what he said at the beginning, in the chapter.

I Cor 15:1-11 Now I would remind you, brothers, of THE gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand & by which you are BEING SAVED, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

3For I delivered to you as of FIRST IMPORTANCE--what I also RECEIVED--that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that He was buried, that He was raised on the 3rd day according to the Scriptures & that He appeared to Cephas, then to the 12.

6Then He appeared to more than 500 brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep. Then He appeared to James, then to ALL THE APOSTLES. Last of all, as to one untimely born, He appeared also to me...So then, whether IT WAS I OR THEY--so WE PREACH & so you believed.

You will notice that Paul says the simple foundational elements of 'the' one gospel message is first in importance, not to be ignored. Second, you will notice this wasn't 'the' gospel message Paul decided on his own to preach--HE ALSO RECEIVED IT. The also is referring to the other apostles who received it also from Jesus & they all in turn preached the one gospel message that ALL THE PROPHETS foretold about. That is the 'we' Paul is talking about.

It wasn't Paul's gospel. It was the gospel of the Messiah. The Spirit of Jesus first spoke it through the prophets who predicted it would happen. Jesus spoke it to the 12 apostles. They also received it in turn & preached it, quoting from the prophets like Jesus did.

Lastly, Paul was saved by grace through faith, confessing Jesus as Lord (Acts 9) & received the one gospel message from Jesus Christ Himself as well & he also quoted it as it was revealed by the prophets. That is from whom he RECEIVED it!

People easily forget that the only Scriptures they had, including Paul was the OT SCRIPTURES, because the NT hadn't been written yet AND ALSO THE WORD OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, explaining these Scriptures concerning Himself.

One simply compares & correlates throughout Scripture, not isolating I Cor 15:1-4.

Acts 26:22,23 But I {Paul} have had God’s help to this day & I stand here to TESTIFY to small & great alike. I AM SAYING NOTHING BEYOND WHAT THE PROPHETS & MOSES SAID WOULD HAPPEN: that the Messiah would suffer & be the FIRST to rise from the dead & He would be the first to proclaim light both to the Jewish people & to the GENTILES.

I Cor 15:20-23 Paul states here again, the same message--that Jesus is the first to rise from the dead, the first fruits. Paul's message is consistent, the same message he received from the Lord Jesus Christ by direct revelation & the same message that was preached by Moses, ALL the prophets & the Writings (Psalms, etc.).

Mt 11:13 Before John, ALL the prophets & Moses' Law looked forward to this present time.

Matt 5:17 I am come not come to destroy the Law & the prophets, but to fulfill...

Luke 24:27 And beginning with Moses & all the Prophets, He EXPLAINED in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.

Acts 17:2,3 As was his custom, Paul went into the synagogue & on three Sabbaths he reasoned with them FROM THE SCRIPTURES, EXPLAINING & proving that it was necessary for the Christ to suffer & to rise from the dead & saying, “This Jesus, whom I proclaim to you, is the Christ.”

Acts 13:18,19 "But the things which God foretold beforehand by the mouth of ALL the prophets, that His Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled.

Acts 10:43 ALL the prophets testify about Him that everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins through His name."

Acts 3:18,24 But in this way God has fulfilled what He foretold through ALL the prophets, saying that His Christ would suffer. Indeed, ALL the prophets from Samuel on, as many as have spoken, have proclaimed these days.

Acts 9:22 But Saul kept increasing in strength & confounding the Jews who lived at Damascus by proving that this Jesus is the Christ.

Acts 18:28 For he powerfully refuted the Jews in public debate, proving BY THE SCRIPTURES that Jesus is the Christ.

The Old Testament was divided into 3 sections by the Jews: The Law (TORAH of Moses), The Prophets (Nevi'im--major & minor) & the Writings (Ketuvim). All the prophets predicted the basic elements of this one gospel message.

Are you seeing the big picture throughout Scripture emerging? Does it not excite you that this one faith 'once for all received to the saints' (Jude 1:3) is what we are to preach today as well! The WHOLE Bible, the Holy Scriptures talk about it from Genesis to Revelation.

Did Jesus refer back to the Law of Moses & the prophets & the Writings (Psalms, etc.) as predicting the one gospel message that Jesus would have his apostles preach, just like Paul did above? Yes, of course, because Paul received it from Jesus, just as the other apostles received it from Christ. They were all CHOSEN to testify & be eye witnesses of the resurrected Christ.

Luke 24:22-33 That same day two of them were going to a village called Emmaus (7 miles from Jerusalem). They were talking...about everything that had happened. And as they talked...Jesus Himself came up & walked along with them...Their eyes were kept from recognizing Him. He asked...“What are you discussing so intently...?”

They stood still, with sadness on their faces. One of them, named Cleopas, asked Him, “Are You the only visitor to Jerusalem who does not know the things that have happened...? “What things?” He asked.

“The events involving Jesus of Nazareth...This man was a prophet, powerful in speech & deeds before God & all the people. Our chief priests & rulers delivered Him up to the sentence of death & they CRUCIFIED HIM...we were hoping He was the One who would redeem Israel...Besides all this, it is the THIRD DAY since these things took place.

22Furthermore, some of our women astounded us. They were at the tomb early this morning, but they did not find His body. They came & told us they had seen a vision of angels who said that Jesus was ALIVE.

25Then Jesus said to them, “O foolish ones, HOW SLOW ARE YOUR HEARTS TO BELIEVE ALL THAT THE PROPHETS HAVE SPOKEN. Was it not necessary for the Christ to SUFFER THESE THINGS & then to enter HIS GLORY?”

27And BEGINNING with Moses & ALL THE PROPHETS, He explained ('exegeted') to them what WAS WRITTEN--IN ALL THE SCRIPTURES ABOUT HIMSELF.

Then their eyes were opened & they recognized Jesus—& He disappeared...They asked one another, “Were not our HEARTS BURNING WITHIN US as He spoke with us on the road & OPENED THE SCRIPTURES TO US?” ...They got up that very hour & returned...

There they found the Eleven & those with them, gathered together & saying, “The Lord has indeed RISEN & has appeared to SIMON!”

Here again we have two disciples of Jesus, one named Cleopas, who were chosen to see the risen Christ & testified, as Paul did, that Jesus suffered & was crucified & has risen from the dead & that He did indeed appear to Simon (Peter).

They gave the same message, same one gospel, same testimony that was first prophesied by Moses & all the prophets & in all the then known Scriptures (OT only), the things concerning Himself--the promised Messiah who would not only set up the one kingdom of God that will last forever, but was the suffering Messiah who would die for the sins of all the people, both Jew & Gentile. And this group of apostles & disciples were eyewitnesses & would proclaim this one gospel message to all nations in the world.

From where did they get this message of 'good news'? Jesus Christ! He explained in all the Scriptures these things that happened that all the prophets spoke about & predicted.

But we are not done. When they get back to Jerusalem from walking, to the upper room, with the doors locked, Jesus appears among them! And what does He tell all of them once again? The same one gospel message throughout all of Scripture, the same one Paul proclaimed, the same one the apostles testified of & that we now testify of today.

Luke 24:36-53 While they were describing these events, Jesus Himself stood among them & said, “Peace be with you.” But they were startled & frightened, thinking they had seen a spirit. “Why are you troubled,” Jesus asked, “& why do doubts (back & forth reasonings) arise in your hearts?

39Look at My hands & My feet. It is I Myself. Touch Me & see—for a spirit does NOT have FLESH & BONES, as you see I have.” 40And when He had said this, He showed them His hands & feet. While they were still in disbelief because of their joy & amazement, He asked them, “Do you have anything here to eat?” So they gave Him a piece of broiled fish & He took it & ate it in front of them.

44Jesus said...“THESE ARE THE WORDS I spoke to you, WHILE I WAS STILL WITH YOU: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about Me in the LAW of Moses, the PROPHETS & the PSALMS.” Then He OPENED their minds to UNDERSTAND the SCRIPTURES.

46He told them, “This is what is WRITTEN: The Christ will SUFFER & RISE from the dead on the 3RD DAY & in His name REPENTANCE & FORGIVENESS OF SINS will be proclaimed TO ALL NATIONS, BEGINNING in Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things.

Again it is the same one gospel message, predicted & foretold by all the prophets & writers of the OT & fulfilled & proclaimed by Jesus, the apostles & all the saints & disciples from that time on until today. Had Jesus told them of this one gospel message BEFORE He was resurrected? Yes, He did.

Luke 9:22 The Son of man must suffer many things & be rejected of the elders & chief priests & scribes & be slain & be raised the third day.

Luke 9:30,31 And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses & Elijah: Who appeared IN GLORY & spoke of His soon DECEASE (departure, death) which He should accomplish at Jerusalem.

Does that not excite you & fill you with joy & cause you to praise the Lord? It does me every time I read ALL the Scriptures & the Lord opens my mind to understand & be able to explain them!

I have challenged others before to see if they can preach the one gospel message only from the OT. This is what the apostles did. This is what the deacon & evangelist Phillip did in Acts with the Ethiopian.

Remember Jesus' instructions as written down by the gospel writer, physician & companion of Paul, Luke?

Acts 1:1ff In the first book, O Theophilus, I have dealt with all that Jesus BEGAN to do & teach, until the day when He was taken up, after He had given COMMANDS through the Holy Spirit to the apostles whom He had chosen. He presented himself ALIVE to them after HIS SUFFERING by many proofs, appearing to them during forty days & speaking about the kingdom of God.

4And while staying with them He ordered them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the Father, which, He said, “you heard from He; for John baptized with water, but YOU WILL BE BAPTIZED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT not many days from now.”

6So when they had come together, they asked him, “Lord, will you AT THIS TIME RESTORE THE KINGDOM TO ISRAEL?” He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by His own authority. But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you & you will be My witnesses IN Jerusalem & in all Judea AND SAMARIA AND TO THE END OF THE EARTH.”

That occurred on Pentecost & the church of Jesus Christ, that He was building, was initiated, seeing 3000 people from all over the world, in Jerusalem at that time, speaking all kinds of languages & dialects, come to Christ, preaching the one gospel message & quoting from the prophets & OT as they did so.

Notice Peter saying in Acts 2:22 & 41--'hear this message' & 'those who embraced this message.' Same gospel message preached as Jesus did, quoting from the OT, showing the fulfillments & preaching 'forgiveness of sins' in His Name, just as Jesus told the apostles & disciples to preach in Luke 24.

Jesus said to wait for the Holy Spirit's baptism & power & to first start in Jerusalem, then to all Judea, then to Samaria & then to the end of the earth.

Some time had passed, Stephen was martyred, the church of Christ was being built up & all were proclaiming the one same gospel message in Jerusalem & all Judea, just as Jesus commanded.

Why the Third Day? The Promise of Resurrection in All of Scripture (to be continued)

what was Peter preaching during the 4 gospels?

You mean to say he also preached 1 cor 15:1-4 then?

Mathetes66 · Jan 22, 2020

What was Peter preaching during the 4 gospels? You mean to say he also preached 1 cor 15:1-4 then?

Yes. Already gave some verses in my post above concerning Peter. The Apostle John preached just what the Apostle Peter preached.

Matt 26:63,64 But Jesus remained silent. Then the high priest said to Him, "I charge You under oath by the living God: Tell us if You are THE CHRIST, THE SON OF GOD." Jesus said to him, "iT IS AS YOU SAID. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power & coming on the clouds of heaven.”

Prophet Daniel 7:13,14 And behold, with the clouds of heaven, there came one like the Son of Man & he came to the Ancient of Days & was presented before him. And to him was given dominion & glory & a kingdom, that all peoples, nations & languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away & his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed.

John 20:30,31 Therefore many other signs Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; but these HAVE BEEN WRITTEN so that you may believe that--

Jesus is THE CHRIST, THE SON OF GOD; & that believing you may have life in His name.

John 11:27 Yes, Lord," she answered, "I believe that You are THE CHRIST, THE SON OF GOD, who was to come into the world."

Matt 16:15-17 “But what about you?” Jesus asked. “Who do you say I am?” Simon Peter replied, “You are THE CHRIST, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD.” Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah! For this was not revealed to you by flesh & blood, but by My Father in heaven.

Jesus told all the apostles what to preach: just what all the prophets in the OT prophesied to preach. Peter preached what Jesus commanded all the apostles to preach, including Paul, sending them out into the world, starting on Pentecost in Jerusalem first & finally to the end of the earth.

Luke 24:44-48 Jesus said...“These are THE WORDS I spoke to you, WHILE I WAS STILL WITH YOU: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about Me in the LAW of Moses, the PROPHETS & the PSALMS.” Then He OPENED their minds to UNDERSTAND the SCRIPTURES. He told them, “This is what is WRITTEN: The Christ will SUFFER & RISE from the dead on the 3RD DAY & in His name REPENTANCE & FORGIVENESS OF SINS will be proclaimed TO ALL NATIONS, BEGINNING in Jerusalem. YOU ARE WITNESSES OF THESE THINGS.

Prophet Isaiah 42:6,7 And I will appoint You as a covenant to the people, AS A LIGHT TO THE NATIONS, to open blind eyes, to bring out prisoners from the dungeon & those who dwell in darkness from the prison.

Luke 9:22 The Son of Man must SUFFER MANY THINGS & be rejected of the elders & chief priests & scribes & be KILLED & be raised the 3RD day.

Matt 16:21 From that time on Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem & SUFFER MANY THINGS at the hands of the elders, chief priests & scribes & that He must be KILLED & on the 3RD day be raised to life.

Mark 8:31 Then He began to teach them that the Son of Man must SUFFER MANY THINGS & be rejected by the elders, chief priests & scribes & that He must be KILLED & after three days rise again.

Luke 9:30,31 And, behold, there talked with Him two men, which were Moses & Elijah: Who appeared IN GLORY & spoke of His soon DECEASE (departure, death) which He should accomplish at Jerusalem.

Luke 18:31-34 Then He took THE TWELVE aside & said to them, “Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem & ALL THINGS which are WRITTEN THROUGH THE PROPHETS about the Son of Man will be accomplished. For He will be handed over to the Gentiles & will be MOCKED & MISTREATED & SPIT UPON & after they have SCOURGED Him, they will KILL Him & the 3RD day He will rise again.”

But they DID NOT UNDERSTAND ANY OF THIS. The significance of His words was HIDDEN from them & they failed to grasp what he was talking about.

John 2:19-22 Jesus answered, “Destroy this temple & in three days I will raise it up again.” The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?” But Jesus was speaking about the temple of His body. AFTER HE WAS RAISED FROM THE DEAD, His disciples REMEMBERED THAT HE HAD SAID THIS. THEN they believed the SCRIPTURE AND THE WORD that JESUS HAD SPOKEN.

Acts 11:16 AND I {Peter} REMEMBERED THE WORD OF THE LORD, how he said, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’

Here is a VITAL point in understanding the one gospel message & it being preached. In order for the apostles, including Peter to preach the message Christ commanded them to preach, they FIRST needed Jesus TO ACCOMPLISH--just what they were to preach: suffer, die, be buried, then rise from the dead on the 3rd day, all according to THE SCRIPTURES, as the prophets foretold.

Once that occurred & they were baptized in the Holy Spirit, they remembered--& they then went & did just that, proclaiming His suffering, death, burial & resurrection & that by repentance & faith in Christ, forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed & they would have peace with God.

Luke 24:7 The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men & be crucified & the 3RD day rise again.

The Acts of the Apostles

Acts 2:23ff (Peter): This Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan & foreknowledge of God, you crucified & killed by the hands of lawless men. God raised him up, loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it...This Jesus God raised up & of that we all are witnesses.

Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart & said to Peter & the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” And Peter said to them, “Repent & be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins & you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you & for your children AND FOR ALL WHO ARE FAR OFF, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.”

Acts 3:12ff And when Peter saw it he addressed the people: “Men of Israel, why do you wonder at this, or why do you stare at us, as though by our own power or piety we have made him walk? The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac & the God of Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified His servant Jesus, whom you delivered over & denied in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release Him. But you denied the Holy & Righteous One, & asked for a murderer to be granted to you & you killed the Author of life, whom God raised from the dead. To this we are witnesses.

But what God foretold by the mouth of all the prophets, that his Christ would suffer, he thus fulfilled. Repent therefore & turn back, that your sins may be blotted out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord & that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus, whom heaven must receive until the time for restoring all the things about which God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets long ago.

22Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers. You shall listen to Him in whatever He tells you. And it shall be that every soul who does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed from the people.’ And ALL THE PROPHETS who have spoken, from Samuel & those who came after him, also proclaimed these days.

Acts 11:7ff And I heard a voice saying to me, ‘Rise, Peter; kill & eat.’ But I said, ‘By no means, Lord; for nothing common or unclean has ever entered my mouth.’ But the voice answered a 2nd time from heaven, ‘What God has made clean, do not call common.’ This happened three times & all was drawn up again into heaven.

12And the Spirit told me to go with them, making NO DISTINCTION. These six brothers also accompanied me, and we entered the man’s house. As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell on them just as on us at the beginning.

16AND I REMEMBERED THE WORD OF THE LORD, how he said, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’

17If then God gave the THE SAME GIFT TO THEM AS HE GAVE TO US when we believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could stand in God’s way?” When they heard these things they fell silent. And they glorified God, saying, “Then to the Gentiles also God has granted repentance that leads to life.”

Acts 15:7ff And after there had been much debate, PETER stood up & said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that BY MY MOUTH THE GENTILES SHOULD HEAR THE WORD OF THE GOSPEL & BELIEVE.

8And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit JUST AS HE DID TO US & He made no distinction between us & them, having cleansed their hearts BY FAITH. Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, JUST AS THEY WILL.”

I Pet 2:24 He Himself bore our sins in His body on the tree, so that we might die to sin & live to righteousness. "By His STRIPES you are healed."

Prophet Isaiah 53:1ff Who has believed our message? And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed? He was despised & rejected by men, a man of sorrows, acquainted with grief. Like one from whom men hide their faces, He was despised & we esteemed Him not. Surely He took on our infirmities & carried our sorrows...

But He was PIERCED for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him & by His STRIPES (scourging) we are healed. We all like sheep have gone astray, each one has turned to his own way & the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all. He was OPPRESSED & AFFLICTED, yet He did not open His mouth.

He was led like a lamb to the slaughter & as a sheep before her shearers is silent,
so He did not open His mouth. By oppression & judgment He was TAKEN AWAY & who can recount His descendants? For He was CUT OFF from the land of the living;He was stricken for the transgression of My people.

He was assigned a GRAVE with the wicked & with a rich man in His DEATH, although He had done no violence, nor was any deceit in His mouth. Yet it was the LORD’s will to crush Him & to CAUSE HIM TO SUFFER & when His soul is made a guilt offering, He will see His offspring, He will prolong His days & the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand. After the ANGUISH of His soul, He will see the light of life & be satisfied.

By His knowledge My righteous Servant will JUSTIFY MANY & HE WILL BEAR THEIR INIQUITIES. Therefore I will allot Him a portion with the great & He will divide the spoils with the strong, because He has poured out His life UNTO DEATH & He was numbered with the transgressors. Yet He bore the sin of many & made intercession for the transgressors.

Romans 4:25 He was delivered over to death for our trespasses & was raised to life for our justification.

The Apostle Matthew preached the same message also.

Matt 8:17 This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah: "He took on our infirmities & carried our diseases."

The Gospel writer Luke wrote the same things:

Luke 2:10,11 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. Today in the City of David a Savior has been born to you. He is Christ the Lord!

Heb 9:28 ...So also Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many.

Prophet Hosea 6:2 He will revive us after two days; He will raise us up on the third day, that we may live before Him.

Prophet Jonah 1:17-2: And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days & three nights. "Out of the belly of Sheol I cried & You heard my voice...Then I said, ‘I am driven away from your sight; yet I shall again look upon your holy temple.’ I went down to the land
whose bars closed upon me forever; yet you brought up my life from the pit, O LORD my God.

Prophet Isaiah 42:1-4,6,7 Behold, My Servant, whom I uphold; My chosen one in whom My soul delights. I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the nations. “He will not cry out or raise His voice, nor make His voice heard in the street. “A bruised reed He will not break & a dimly burning wick He will not extinguish; He will faithfully bring forth justice. “He will not be disheartened or crushed until He has established justice in the earth.

Much more could be said, but I have gone on long enough. Again I hope this is helpful & thanks for your good questions.

Guojing · Jan 23, 2020

Mathetes66 said:
Yes. Already gave some verses in my post above concerning Peter. The Apostle John preached just what the Apostle Peter preached.

Matt 26:63,64 But Jesus remained silent. Then the high priest said to Him, "I charge You under oath by the living God: Tell us if You are THE CHRIST, THE SON OF GOD." Jesus said to him, "iT IS AS YOU SAID. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power & coming on the clouds of heaven.”

Prophet Daniel 7:13,14 And behold, with the clouds of heaven, there came one like the Son of Man & he came to the Ancient of Days & was presented before him. And to him was given dominion & glory & a kingdom, that all peoples, nations & languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away & his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed.

John 20:30,31 Therefore many other signs Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; but these HAVE BEEN WRITTEN so that you may believe that--

Jesus is THE CHRIST, THE SON OF GOD; & that believing you may have life in His name.

John 11:27 Yes, Lord," she answered, "I believe that You are THE CHRIST, THE SON OF GOD, who was to come into the world."

Matt 16:15-17 “But what about you?” Jesus asked. “Who do you say I am?” Simon Peter replied, “You are THE CHRIST, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD.” Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah! For this was not revealed to you by flesh & blood, but by My Father in heaven.

Jesus told all the apostles what to preach: just what all the prophets in the OT prophesied to preach. Peter preached what Jesus commanded all the apostles to preach, including Paul, sending them out into the world, starting on Pentecost in Jerusalem first & finally to the end of the earth.

Luke 24:44-48 Jesus said...“These are THE WORDS I spoke to you, WHILE I WAS STILL WITH YOU: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about Me in the LAW of Moses, the PROPHETS & the PSALMS.” Then He OPENED their minds to UNDERSTAND the SCRIPTURES. He told them, “This is what is WRITTEN: The Christ will SUFFER & RISE from the dead on the 3RD DAY & in His name REPENTANCE & FORGIVENESS OF SINS will be proclaimed TO ALL NATIONS, BEGINNING in Jerusalem. YOU ARE WITNESSES OF THESE THINGS.

Prophet Isaiah 42:6,7 And I will appoint You as a covenant to the people, AS A LIGHT TO THE NATIONS, to open blind eyes, to bring out prisoners from the dungeon & those who dwell in darkness from the prison.

Luke 9:22 The Son of Man must SUFFER MANY THINGS & be rejected of the elders & chief priests & scribes & be KILLED & be raised the 3RD day.

Matt 16:21 From that time on Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem & SUFFER MANY THINGS at the hands of the elders, chief priests & scribes & that He must be KILLED & on the 3RD day be raised to life.

Mark 8:31 Then He began to teach them that the Son of Man must SUFFER MANY THINGS & be rejected by the elders, chief priests & scribes & that He must be KILLED & after three days rise again.

Luke 9:30,31 And, behold, there talked with Him two men, which were Moses & Elijah: Who appeared IN GLORY & spoke of His soon DECEASE (departure, death) which He should accomplish at Jerusalem.

Luke 18:31-34 Then He took THE TWELVE aside & said to them, “Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem & ALL THINGS which are WRITTEN THROUGH THE PROPHETS about the Son of Man will be accomplished. For He will be handed over to the Gentiles & will be MOCKED & MISTREATED & SPIT UPON & after they have SCOURGED Him, they will KILL Him & the 3RD day He will rise again.”

But they DID NOT UNDERSTAND ANY OF THIS. The significance of His words was HIDDEN from them & they failed to grasp what he was talking about.

John 2:19-22 Jesus answered, “Destroy this temple & in three days I will raise it up again.” The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?” But Jesus was speaking about the temple of His body. AFTER HE WAS RAISED FROM THE DEAD, His disciples REMEMBERED THAT HE HAD SAID THIS. THEN they believed the SCRIPTURE AND THE WORD that JESUS HAD SPOKEN.

Acts 11:16 AND I {Peter} REMEMBERED THE WORD OF THE LORD, how he said, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’

Here is a VITAL point in understanding the one gospel message & it being preached. In order for the apostles, including Peter to preach the message Christ commanded them to preach, they FIRST needed Jesus TO ACCOMPLISH--just what they were to preach: suffer, die, be buried, then rise from the dead on the 3rd day, all according to THE SCRIPTURES, as the prophets foretold.

Once that occurred & they were baptized in the Holy Spirit, they remembered--& they then went & did just that, proclaiming His suffering, death, burial & resurrection & that by repentance & faith in Christ, forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed & they would have peace with God.

Luke 24:7 The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men & be crucified & the 3RD day rise again.

The Acts of the Apostles

Acts 2:23ff (Peter): This Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan & foreknowledge of God, you crucified & killed by the hands of lawless men. God raised him up, loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it...This Jesus God raised up & of that we all are witnesses.

Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart & said to Peter & the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” And Peter said to them, “Repent & be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins & you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you & for your children AND FOR ALL WHO ARE FAR OFF, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.”

Acts 3:12ff And when Peter saw it he addressed the people: “Men of Israel, why do you wonder at this, or why do you stare at us, as though by our own power or piety we have made him walk? The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac & the God of Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified His servant Jesus, whom you delivered over & denied in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release Him. But you denied the Holy & Righteous One, & asked for a murderer to be granted to you & you killed the Author of life, whom God raised from the dead. To this we are witnesses.

But what God foretold by the mouth of all the prophets, that his Christ would suffer, he thus fulfilled. Repent therefore & turn back, that your sins may be blotted out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord & that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus, whom heaven must receive until the time for restoring all the things about which God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets long ago.

22Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers. You shall listen to Him in whatever He tells you. And it shall be that every soul who does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed from the people.’ And ALL THE PROPHETS who have spoken, from Samuel & those who came after him, also proclaimed these days.

Acts 11:7ff And I heard a voice saying to me, ‘Rise, Peter; kill & eat.’ But I said, ‘By no means, Lord; for nothing common or unclean has ever entered my mouth.’ But the voice answered a 2nd time from heaven, ‘What God has made clean, do not call common.’ This happened three times & all was drawn up again into heaven.

12And the Spirit told me to go with them, making NO DISTINCTION. These six brothers also accompanied me, and we entered the man’s house. As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell on them just as on us at the beginning.

16AND I REMEMBERED THE WORD OF THE LORD, how he said, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’

17If then God gave the THE SAME GIFT TO THEM AS HE GAVE TO US when we believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could stand in God’s way?” When they heard these things they fell silent. And they glorified God, saying, “Then to the Gentiles also God has granted repentance that leads to life.”

Acts 15:7ff And after there had been much debate, PETER stood up & said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that BY MY MOUTH THE GENTILES SHOULD HEAR THE WORD OF THE GOSPEL & BELIEVE.

8And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit JUST AS HE DID TO US & He made no distinction between us & them, having cleansed their hearts BY FAITH. Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, JUST AS THEY WILL.”

I Pet 2:24 He Himself bore our sins in His body on the tree, so that we might die to sin & live to righteousness. "By His STRIPES you are healed."

Prophet Isaiah 53:1ff Who has believed our message? And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed? He was despised & rejected by men, a man of sorrows, acquainted with grief. Like one from whom men hide their faces, He was despised & we esteemed Him not. Surely He took on our infirmities & carried our sorrows...

But He was PIERCED for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him & by His STRIPES (scourging) we are healed. We all like sheep have gone astray, each one has turned to his own way & the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all. He was OPPRESSED & AFFLICTED, yet He did not open His mouth.

He was led like a lamb to the slaughter & as a sheep before her shearers is silent,
so He did not open His mouth. By oppression & judgment He was TAKEN AWAY & who can recount His descendants? For He was CUT OFF from the land of the living;He was stricken for the transgression of My people.

He was assigned a GRAVE with the wicked & with a rich man in His DEATH, although He had done no violence, nor was any deceit in His mouth. Yet it was the LORD’s will to crush Him & to CAUSE HIM TO SUFFER & when His soul is made a guilt offering, He will see His offspring, He will prolong His days & the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand. After the ANGUISH of His soul, He will see the light of life & be satisfied.

By His knowledge My righteous Servant will JUSTIFY MANY & HE WILL BEAR THEIR INIQUITIES. Therefore I will allot Him a portion with the great & He will divide the spoils with the strong, because He has poured out His life UNTO DEATH & He was numbered with the transgressors. Yet He bore the sin of many & made intercession for the transgressors.

Romans 4:25 He was delivered over to death for our trespasses & was raised to life for our justification.

The Apostle Matthew preached the same message also.

Matt 8:17 This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah: "He took on our infirmities & carried our diseases."

The Gospel writer Luke wrote the same things:

Luke 2:10,11 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. Today in the City of David a Savior has been born to you. He is Christ the Lord!

Heb 9:28 ...So also Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many.

Prophet Hosea 6:2 He will revive us after two days; He will raise us up on the third day, that we may live before Him.

Prophet Jonah 1:17-2: And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days & three nights. "Out of the belly of Sheol I cried & You heard my voice...Then I said, ‘I am driven away from your sight; yet I shall again look upon your holy temple.’ I went down to the land
whose bars closed upon me forever; yet you brought up my life from the pit, O LORD my God.

Prophet Isaiah 42:1-4,6,7 Behold, My Servant, whom I uphold; My chosen one in whom My soul delights. I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the nations. “He will not cry out or raise His voice, nor make His voice heard in the street. “A bruised reed He will not break & a dimly burning wick He will not extinguish; He will faithfully bring forth justice. “He will not be disheartened or crushed until He has established justice in the earth.

Much more could be said, but I have gone on long enough. Again I hope this is helpful & thanks for your good questions.

instead of spamming scripture, it’s best to focus on the question directly.

what did peter preach during the 4 gospels? If you found out he rebuked Jesus for telling them he had to die, do you really think he could be preaching 1 cor 15 during the 4 gospels?

Mathetes66 · Jan 23, 2020

First, you worded your question in such a way as to arrive at YOUR eisogetical result, that the only thing Peter did in the Gospels was to tell Jesus He shouldn't die. You completely ignored the CONTEXT of that passage where Jesus rebuked Satan SPEAKING THROUGH Peter. That came from Satan, not Peter!

Since you didn't read WHAT I posted, explaining it & instead using a blanket statement, calling it spam, I will not waste anymore of your time or my time. This will be my last post here. May the Lord bless & keep you & yours as you seek--to abide in Him & walk in the Spirit.

Jesus didn't send them out to preach the one gospel to the end of the world, to all nations, UNTIL AFTER He LIVED the gospel message: suffering, dying, buried & risen from the dead. They couldn't preach it until it happened & until they were actual eyewitnesses. Then they could do exactly what Jesus told them to do.

What Peter preached was what Christ commanded all the apostles to preach, after He rose again from the dead. Peter preached the one gospel message to the Gentiles BEFORE PAUL WAS EVEN SAVED! Yet they preached the same message, as I have shown.

The other point is that the gospel had to come from the Jews & that it was preached first to them then to the Gentiles because it was all foretold & prophesied by God through the prophets as I have shown Scripture to repeatedly say. This was God's purposed plan all along, from Genesis to Revelation.

Even Paul stated that!

Romans 1:16,17 I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, FIRST TO THE JEW, THEN to the Greek. 17For the gospel reveals the righteousness of God that comes by faith from start to finish,c just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”

Luke 18:31-34 Then He took THE TWELVE aside & said to them, “Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem & ALL THINGS which are WRITTEN THROUGH THE PROPHETS about the Son of Man will be accomplished. For He will be handed over to the Gentiles & will be MOCKED & MISTREATED & SPIT UPON & after they have SCOURGED Him, they will KILL Him & the 3RD day He will rise again.”

But they DID NOT UNDERSTAND ANY OF THIS. The significance of His words was HIDDEN from them & they failed to grasp what he was talking about.

John 2:19-22 Jesus answered, “Destroy this temple & in three days I will raise it up again.” The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?” But Jesus was speaking about the temple of His body. AFTER HE WAS RAISED FROM THE DEAD, His disciples REMEMBERED THAT HE HAD SAID THIS. THEN they believed the SCRIPTURE AND THE WORD that JESUS HAD SPOKEN.

Acts 11:16 AND I {Peter} REMEMBERED THE WORD OF THE LORD, how he said, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’

Here is a VITAL point in understanding the one gospel message & it being preached. In order for the apostles, including Peter to preach the message Christ commanded them to preach, they FIRST needed Jesus TO ACCOMPLISH--just what they were to preach: suffer, die, be buried, then rise from the dead on the 3rd day, all according to THE SCRIPTURES, as the prophets foretold.

Once that occurred & they were baptized in the Holy Spirit, they remembered--& they then went & did just that, proclaiming His suffering, death, burial & resurrection & that by repentance & faith in Christ, forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed & they would have peace with God.

Guojing · Jan 23, 2020

Mathetes66 said:
First, you worded your question in such a way as to arrive at YOUR eisogetical result, that the only thing Peter did in the Gospels was to tell Jesus He shouldn't die. You completely ignored the CONTEXT of that passage where Jesus rebuked Satan SPEAKING THROUGH Peter. That came from Satan, not Peter!

Since you didn't read WHAT I posted, explaining it & instead using a blanket statement, calling it spam, I will not waste anymore of your time or my time. This will be my last post here. May the Lord bless & keep you & yours as you seek--to abide in Him & walk in the Spirit.

Jesus didn't send them out to preach the one gospel to the end of the world, to all nations, UNTIL AFTER He LIVED the gospel message: suffering, dying, buried & risen from the dead. They couldn't preach it until it happened & until they were actual eyewitnesses. Then they could do exactly what Jesus told them to do.

What Peter preached was what Christ commanded all the apostles to preach, after He rose again from the dead. Peter preached the one gospel message to the Gentiles BEFORE PAUL WAS EVEN SAVED! Yet they preached the same message, as I have shown.

The other point is that the gospel had to come from the Jews & that it was preached first to them then to the Gentiles because it was all foretold & prophesied by God through the prophets as I have shown Scripture to repeatedly say. This was God's purposed plan all along, from Genesis to Revelation.

Even Paul stated that!

Romans 1:16,17 I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, FIRST TO THE JEW, THEN to the Greek. 17For the gospel reveals the righteousness of God that comes by faith from start to finish,c just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”

Luke 18:31-34 Then He took THE TWELVE aside & said to them, “Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem & ALL THINGS which are WRITTEN THROUGH THE PROPHETS about the Son of Man will be accomplished. For He will be handed over to the Gentiles & will be MOCKED & MISTREATED & SPIT UPON & after they have SCOURGED Him, they will KILL Him & the 3RD day He will rise again.”

But they DID NOT UNDERSTAND ANY OF THIS. The significance of His words was HIDDEN from them & they failed to grasp what he was talking about.

John 2:19-22 Jesus answered, “Destroy this temple & in three days I will raise it up again.” The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?” But Jesus was speaking about the temple of His body. AFTER HE WAS RAISED FROM THE DEAD, His disciples REMEMBERED THAT HE HAD SAID THIS. THEN they believed the SCRIPTURE AND THE WORD that JESUS HAD SPOKEN.

Acts 11:16 AND I {Peter} REMEMBERED THE WORD OF THE LORD, how he said, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’

Here is a VITAL point in understanding the one gospel message & it being preached. In order for the apostles, including Peter to preach the message Christ commanded them to preach, they FIRST needed Jesus TO ACCOMPLISH--just what they were to preach: suffer, die, be buried, then rise from the dead on the 3rd day, all according to THE SCRIPTURES, as the prophets foretold.

Once that occurred & they were baptized in the Holy Spirit, they remembered--& they then went & did just that, proclaiming His suffering, death, burial & resurrection & that by repentance & faith in Christ, forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed & they would have peace with God.

Let me phrase it even simpler and more direct so that you will address the exact question that was being asked.

In Luke 9:6, for example, we read

And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where

Luke 9:6 showed that your point "Jesus didn't send them out to preach the one gospel to the end of the world, to all nations, UNTIL AFTER He LIVED the gospel message: suffering, dying, buried & risen from the dead. They couldn't preach it until it happened & until they were actual eyewitnesses. Then they could do exactly what Jesus told them to do." is incorrect.

There was a gospel being preached before the death burial and resurrection, as Luke 9:6 clearly stated. What was the content of the gospel that is being preached here? Let me provide you an MCQ selection.

Was it:

That Jesus has come to die for their sins and will be resurrected in the 3rd day for their salvation?
That Jesus, the Son of God has arrived and they are to repent and accept him as their promised Messiah?
Or some other good news?

Mathetes66 · Jan 23, 2020

I said the last post was going to be my last one, so I do apologize for doing one more, because of what you posted.

Luke 9:6 does not show I am incorrect. I may have not explained it as good as I could have. Had you read my posts, you would see that I said they couldn't preach what Jesus commanded the apostles (including Paul) until AFTER He rose from the dead; otherwise they weren't actual eyewitnesses of the resurrection. But that didn't mean they didn't believe in the resurrection of the dead. As Jews they did! Abraham did. Job did.

The gospel they preached in Luke 9:6 was the same gospel message that the prophets predicted & the angels proclaimed at His birth & the revelations of Mary & Zechariah under the Holy Spirit. In verse after verse in the Gospels, it kept saying, 'thus it was written' or 'this is what the prophet Isaiah spoke' or 'this is what was written to fulfill the Scripture...'

They preached the good news that Jesus is the Christ & THE Son of God, being Deity & forgiveness of sins is found only in Him. Even John the Baptist did that! He also spoke of Jesus' baptizing in the Spirit & that the promise of the Father, the Holy Spirit would be given to people. But it first had to be preached to the Jewish nation in order to fulfill prophecy.

What did Paul consistently preach & seek to prove? The same thing the 12 apostles did. The same one eternal gospel is that Jesus is the promised Messiah, the Son of God & forgiveness of sins is found in Him by repenting & trusting in Him & following Him as Lord/Master, the One who rose from the dead.

Acts 9:20 Saul promptly began to proclaim Jesus in the synagogues, declaring, “He is the Son of God.” All who heard him were astounded & asked, “Isn’t this the man who wreaked havoc in Jerusalem on those who CALL ON THIS NAME?

Wow. Right after he was saved by grace through faith, he was PREACHING THE SAME THING THE OTHER APOSTLES WERE PREACHING! Jesus is the Son of God!

Acts 9:22 But Saul was empowered all the more & he confounded the Jews living in Damascus by proving that Jesus is the Christ.

There it is AGAIN! He was proving that Jesus is the Messiah, just like Peter & all the other disciples did in the 4 gospels.

How many more Scriptures do you need before you will stop unbelieving & believe?

Acts 9:26-28 When Saul arrived in Jerusalem, he tried to join the disciples, but they were all afraid of him, not believing that he was a disciple. Then Barnabas brought him TO THE APOSTLES & described how Saul had seen the Lord, who spoke to him on the road to Damascus & how Saul had spoken boldly in that city IN THE NAME OF JESUS. So Saul stayed with them, moving about freely in Jerusalem & speaking boldly in the name of the Lord.

Acts 13:2ff While they were worshiping the Lord & fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for Me Barnabas & Saul for the work to which I have called them...” They laid their hands on them & sent them off. When they arrived at Salamis, THEY PROCLAIMED THE WORD OF GOD IN THE JEWISH SYNOGOGUES!

What? Paul when sent by the Holy Spirit, went to the Jews first! Wow!

Now don't get shocked but IF you will read Acts 13, starting in verse 13 to the end of the chapter, you will notice that Paul & Barnabas on their missionary journey came once again to the synogogue in Psidia Antioch & there preached almost the same identical gospel message that Peter had preached back in Acts 2 & 3, using some of the SAME OT prophetical passages in preaching the gospel, appealing to the Law & the prophets who predicted concerning the Messiah & that forgiveness of sins is found in the One who rose from the dead.

Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: “It was NECESSARY TO SPEAK THE WORD OF GOD TO YOU FIRST. But since you reject it & do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we NOW turn to the Gentiles. For this is what the Lord has commanded us: ‘I have made you a light for the Gentiles, to bring salvation to the ends of the earth.’ ”

The Jews, however, incited the religious women of prominence & the leading men of the city. They stirred up persecution against Paul & Barnabas & drove them out of their district. So they SHOOK THE DUST OFF THEIR FEET in protest against them & went to Iconium.

Wow! They went to the Jews first with the gospel. Sound familiar to Gospels. Wow! They shook the dust of their feet like the 12 apostles did in the gospels! Same message. Same audience. Same quoting from the Law & the prophets & the Psalms!

Perhaps the same Lord was directing all these apostles with the same message of the one true, eternal gospel, going to the Jews FIRST then to the Gentiles. Sure seems like the Scriptures keep saying the same things concerning this one true gospel message.

Here is where there was a turning point in Paul's ministry. He was SENT BY THE HOLY SPIRIT TO GO TO THE JEWS FIRST! Then due to their rejection, they would then start to preach the gospel more & more to the Gentiles from this point on, though Paul didn't stop preaching to the Jews & going into the synagogues.

So far the gospel message of Paul was the same one Jesus preached & the other apostles preached--showing from the Scriptures that Jesus is the Son of God, proving that Jesus is the Christ & repentance & faith in Jesus brings forgiveness of sins, JUST AS THE WHOLE TENAKH (OT Scriptures) predicted from the prophets of old.

Not another gospel message--the SAME ONE.

But wait. If you dare, perhaps you will go on to read Acts 14 again, with an eye for DETAIL.

At Iconium, Paul & Barnabas went AS USUAL into the Jewish synagogue, where they spoke so well that a great number of Jews & Greeks believed. But the unbelieving Jews stirred up the Gentiles & poisoned their minds against the brothers. So Paul & Barnabas spent considerable time there, speaking boldly for the Lord, who affirmed THE MESSAGE OF HIS GRACE by enabling them to perform SIGNS & WONDERS.

But when the Gentiles & Jews, together with their rulers, set out to mistreat & stone them, they found out about it & fled to the Lycaonian cities of Lystra & Derbe & to the surrounding region, where they CONTINUED TO PREACH THE GOSPEL.

Wow. They were doing the same things that the 12 apostles were doing & preaching the same gospel message. Here it says they CONTINUED to preach the gospel & I have shown simply in Scripture what that gospel message was, the same one the other apostles were preaching.

"Men, why are you doing these things? We are also men of the same nature as you & PREACH THE GOSPEL TO YOU, that you should turn from these vain things to the living God, who made heaven & earth & sea & everything in them.

There is the preaching of repentance & turning away from false gods & idols & turning to the living God. Sounds like the SAME 'good news' in the gospels.

But then they go to Lystra, heal a man & Paul ends up getting stoned but survives & then they go to Derbe.

They preached THE GOSPEL TO THAT CITY & made many disciples. Then they returned to Lystra, Iconium & Antioch, strengthening the souls of the disciples & encouraging them to continue in the faith. “We must endure many hardships TO ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD," they said.

What? Wait a minute. Their gospel message to that city & area talked about entering the kingdom of God? Wow! Sounds like the same gospel message in the 4 gospels! mmmmm.

I could go on & on but I will stop again. You also need to realize that I Corinthians 15 was written over 25 years AFTER Christ had risen & the church started with only Jewish believers in Jerusalem. The early church for over 20 years WAS JEWISH BELIEVERS ONLY. You just saw that turning point in Paul's ministry in Acts 13 to BEGIN to preach the gospel to Gentiles.

Peter had already done that long before Paul & Barnabas did! They preached the same one true eternal gospel message.

Don't you realize this one ETERNAL gospel was preached to Noah & those in Genesis? The one true Scriptural gospel concerning Yeshua (YHWH saves) HaMosiach (Messiah) is ETERNAL because Jesus is eternal & He was predicted slain before the earth even had foundations in the beginning!

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL to preach unto them that dwell on the earth & to every nation & kindred & tongue & people...

Rev 13:8 And all the people who belong to this world worshiped the beast. They are the ones whose names were not written in the Book of Life that belongs to THE LAMB THAT WAS SLAIN BEFORE THE WORD WAS MADE.

The Lamb of God that takes away the sin OF THE WORLD--going all the way back to Adam & Eve, being included, of the Promise of the Seed of the woman who would crush Satan's head. Sacrifice & shed blood was understood back then! Look again at Hebrews 11 concerning Cain & Abel & the skins for Adam & Eve! Abel still speaks to us today!

It REMAINS the same one gospel from eternity to eternity. It doesn't have a beginning other than in the Lord, who is eternal & it will never end. It remains the same through all eternity.

People like Noah were saved by grace through faith looking FORWARD to the promised Seed & Redeemer & Messiah.

Gen 6:8 Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.
Heb 11:1ff Now faith is the assurance of what we hope for and the certainty of what we do not see. This is WHY THE ANCIENTS won God's approval by it. By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in godly fear built an ark to save his family. By faith he condemned the world & became HEIR OF THE RIGHTEOUSNESS THAT COMES BY FAITH.

They were saved by grace through faith, just like us, but they looked FORWARD, believing by faith in the Promised Seed of Eve, Abraham, David! They believed by faith, looking FORWARD to the Promised Messiah to come! They believed by faith, looking FORWARD to the Redeemer & believed in the resurrection!

Job knew His Redeemer lived & that he would be resurrected to be with Him! How did he know that clear back then? The gospel, the good news, the glad tidings were preached even back then, by the prophets of old.

Job 19:23-27 Oh that my words were written! Oh that they were inscribed in a book!
Oh that with an iron pen & lead they were engraved in the rock forever! For I know that my Redeemer lives & at the last He will stand upon the earth. And after my skin has been thus destroyed, yet in my flesh I shall see God, whom I shall see for myself & my eyes shall behold & not another. My heart faints within me!

Abraham was saved by grace through faith & God imputed to him the very righteousness of God. The one true, eternal gospel of Jesus Christ, the Promised Seed, the Promised Messiah, the promised Redeemer, was preached to Abraham. Abraham KNEW JESUS PERSONALLY! That is why the Jewish rabbi's were going to stone Jesus, because they knew what Jesus was saying, He knew Abraham & Abraham knew Him & Abraham REJOICED TO SEE JESUS DAY! His faith was in his hope of what Jesus would do when coming to earth. Abraham was called three times in Scripture: the FRIEND OF GOD!

He had a personal relationship with the pre-incarnate Messiah!

Heb 11:8FF By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed & went, without knowing where he was going. By faith he dwelt in the PROMISED land as a stranger in a foreign country. He lived in tents, as did Isaac & Jacob, who were HEIRS WITH HIM OF THE SAME PROMISE. For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect & builder is God.

All these people died in faith, without having received the things they were promised. However, they saw them and welcomed them from afar. they were longing for a better country, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.

By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac on the altar. He who had received the promises was ready to offer his one and only son,c 18even though God had said to him, “Through Isaac your offspring will be reckoned.”d 19Abraham reasoned that God could raise the dead, and in a sense, he did receive Isaac back from death.

Abraham KNEW by faith of the resurrection of the dead & of the heavenly city, clear back then! This isn't new news but an eternal gospel.

Paul even said THE GOSPEL (which he preached) was preached to Abraham clear back then & he was saved by grace through faith & imputed the very righteousness of Christ--LOOKING FORWARD! We look by faith BACKWARDS to the cross. Abraham is the FATHER of those who have faith in Christ.

Galatians 3:8 What’s more, THE SCRIPTURES LOOKED FORWARD to this time when God would make the Gentiles right in His sight because of their faith. God proclaimed THIS GOOD NEWS TO ABRAHAM LONG AGO when he said, “All nations will be blessed through you.”

Mathetes66 · Jan 23, 2020

One last thought. Paul stated he became all things to all men, in order that he might win some for the gospel. Sometimes certain aspects of the gospel are shared, depending on the group of people being shared with & sometimes some are not. The Holy Spirit leads & guides us into all the truth as we share the gospel of truth.

I Cor 9:11ff If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much for us to reap a material harvest from you? If others have this right to your support, shouldn’t we have it all the more? But we did not exercise this right. Instead, we put up with anything rather than HINDER THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST. 13Do you not know that those who work in the temple eat of its food & those who serve at the altar partake of its offerings? 14In the same way, the Lord has prescribed that those who PREACH THE GOSPEL should receive their living from THE GOSPEL. But I have not used any of these rights.

Yet when I PREACH THE GOSPEL, I have no reason to boast, because I am obligated to preach. Woe to me if I DO NOT PREACH THE GOSPEL! If my preaching is voluntary, I have a reward. But if it is not voluntary, I am still entrusted with a responsibility.

18What then is my reward? That in PREACHING THE GOSPEL I may offer it free of charge & so not use up my rights in preaching it. Though I am free of obligation to anyone, I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible.

To the Jews I became LIKE a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became LIKE one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), to win those under the law. To those without the law I became LIKE one without the law (though I am not outside the law of God but am under the law of Christ), to win those without the law.

22To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all men, so that by all possible means I might save some. I do all this for THE SAKE OF THE GOSPEL, so that I may share in its blessings.

Guojing · Jan 23, 2020

Mathetes66 said:
I said the last post was going to be my last one, so I do apologize for doing one more, because of what you posted.

Luke 9:6 does not show I am incorrect. I may have not explained it as good as I could have. Had you read my posts, you would see that I said they couldn't preach what Jesus commanded the apostles (including Paul) until AFTER He rose from the dead; otherwise they weren't actual eyewitnesses of the resurrection. But that didn't mean they didn't believe in the resurrection of the dead. As Jews they did! Abraham did. Job did.

The gospel they preached in Luke 9:6 was the same gospel message that the prophets predicted & the angels proclaimed at His birth & the revelations of Mary & Zechariah under the Holy Spirit. In verse after verse in the Gospels, it kept saying, 'thus it was written' or 'this is what the prophet Isaiah spoke' or 'this is what was written to fulfill the Scripture...'

They preached the good news that Jesus is the Christ & THE Son of God, being Deity & forgiveness of sins is found only in Him. Even John the Baptist did that! He also spoke of Jesus' baptizing in the Spirit & that the promise of the Father, the Holy Spirit would be given to people. But it first had to be preached to the Jewish nation in order to fulfill prophecy.

What did Paul consistently preach & seek to prove? The same thing the 12 apostles did. The same one eternal gospel is that Jesus is the promised Messiah, the Son of God & forgiveness of sins is found in Him by repenting & trusting in Him & following Him as Lord/Master, the One who rose from the dead.

Acts 9:20 Saul promptly began to proclaim Jesus in the synagogues, declaring, “He is the Son of God.” All who heard him were astounded & asked, “Isn’t this the man who wreaked havoc in Jerusalem on those who CALL ON THIS NAME?

Wow. Right after he was saved by grace through faith, he was PREACHING THE SAME THING THE OTHER APOSTLES WERE PREACHING! Jesus is the Son of God!

Acts 9:22 But Saul was empowered all the more & he confounded the Jews living in Damascus by proving that Jesus is the Christ.

There it is AGAIN! He was proving that Jesus is the Messiah, just like Peter & all the other disciples did in the 4 gospels.

How many more Scriptures do you need before you will stop unbelieving & believe?

Acts 9:26-28 When Saul arrived in Jerusalem, he tried to join the disciples, but they were all afraid of him, not believing that he was a disciple. Then Barnabas brought him TO THE APOSTLES & described how Saul had seen the Lord, who spoke to him on the road to Damascus & how Saul had spoken boldly in that city IN THE NAME OF JESUS. So Saul stayed with them, moving about freely in Jerusalem & speaking boldly in the name of the Lord.

Acts 13:2ff While they were worshiping the Lord & fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for Me Barnabas & Saul for the work to which I have called them...” They laid their hands on them & sent them off. When they arrived at Salamis, THEY PROCLAIMED THE WORD OF GOD IN THE JEWISH SYNOGOGUES!

What? Paul when sent by the Holy Spirit, went to the Jews first! Wow!

Now don't get shocked but IF you will read Acts 13, starting in verse 13 to the end of the chapter, you will notice that Paul & Barnabas on their missionary journey came once again to the synogogue in Psidia Antioch & there preached almost the same identical gospel message that Peter had preached back in Acts 2 & 3, using some of the SAME OT prophetical passages in preaching the gospel, appealing to the Law & the prophets who predicted concerning the Messiah & that forgiveness of sins is found in the One who rose from the dead.

Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: “It was NECESSARY TO SPEAK THE WORD OF GOD TO YOU FIRST. But since you reject it & do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we NOW turn to the Gentiles. For this is what the Lord has commanded us: ‘I have made you a light for the Gentiles, to bring salvation to the ends of the earth.’ ”

The Jews, however, incited the religious women of prominence & the leading men of the city. They stirred up persecution against Paul & Barnabas & drove them out of their district. So they SHOOK THE DUST OFF THEIR FEET in protest against them & went to Iconium.

Wow! They went to the Jews first with the gospel. Sound familiar to Gospels. Wow! They shook the dust of their feet like the 12 apostles did in the gospels! Same message. Same audience. Same quoting from the Law & the prophets & the Psalms!

Perhaps the same Lord was directing all these apostles with the same message of the one true, eternal gospel, going to the Jews FIRST then to the Gentiles. Sure seems like the Scriptures keep saying the same things concerning this one true gospel message.

Here is where there was a turning point in Paul's ministry. He was SENT BY THE HOLY SPIRIT TO GO TO THE JEWS FIRST! Then due to their rejection, they would then start to preach the gospel more & more to the Gentiles from this point on, though Paul didn't stop preaching to the Jews & going into the synagogues.

So far the gospel message of Paul was the same one Jesus preached & the other apostles preached--showing from the Scriptures that Jesus is the Son of God, proving that Jesus is the Christ & repentance & faith in Jesus brings forgiveness of sins, JUST AS THE WHOLE TENAKH (OT Scriptures) predicted from the prophets of old.

Not another gospel message--the SAME ONE.

But wait. If you dare, perhaps you will go on to read Acts 14 again, with an eye for DETAIL.

At Iconium, Paul & Barnabas went AS USUAL into the Jewish synagogue, where they spoke so well that a great number of Jews & Greeks believed. But the unbelieving Jews stirred up the Gentiles & poisoned their minds against the brothers. So Paul & Barnabas spent considerable time there, speaking boldly for the Lord, who affirmed THE MESSAGE OF HIS GRACE by enabling them to perform SIGNS & WONDERS.

But when the Gentiles & Jews, together with their rulers, set out to mistreat & stone them, they found out about it & fled to the Lycaonian cities of Lystra & Derbe & to the surrounding region, where they CONTINUED TO PREACH THE GOSPEL.

Wow. They were doing the same things that the 12 apostles were doing & preaching the same gospel message. Here it says they CONTINUED to preach the gospel & I have shown simply in Scripture what that gospel message was, the same one the other apostles were preaching.

"Men, why are you doing these things? We are also men of the same nature as you & PREACH THE GOSPEL TO YOU, that you should turn from these vain things to the living God, who made heaven & earth & sea & everything in them.

There is the preaching of repentance & turning away from false gods & idols & turning to the living God. Sounds like the SAME 'good news' in the gospels.

But then they go to Lystra, heal a man & Paul ends up getting stoned but survives & then they go to Derbe.

They preached THE GOSPEL TO THAT CITY & made many disciples. Then they returned to Lystra, Iconium & Antioch, strengthening the souls of the disciples & encouraging them to continue in the faith. “We must endure many hardships TO ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD," they said.

What? Wait a minute. Their gospel message to that city & area talked about entering the kingdom of God? Wow! Sounds like the same gospel message in the 4 gospels! mmmmm.

I could go on & on but I will stop again. You also need to realize that I Corinthians 15 was written over 25 years AFTER Christ had risen & the church started with only Jewish believers in Jerusalem. The early church for over 20 years WAS JEWISH BELIEVERS ONLY. You just saw that turning point in Paul's ministry in Acts 13 to BEGIN to preach the gospel to Gentiles.

Peter had already done that long before Paul & Barnabas did! They preached the same one true eternal gospel message.

Don't you realize this one ETERNAL gospel was preached to Noah & those in Genesis? The one true Scriptural gospel concerning Yeshua (YHWH saves) HaMosiach (Messiah) is ETERNAL because Jesus is eternal & He was predicted slain before the earth even had foundations in the beginning!

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL to preach unto them that dwell on the earth & to every nation & kindred & tongue & people...

Rev 13:8 And all the people who belong to this world worshiped the beast. They are the ones whose names were not written in the Book of Life that belongs to THE LAMB THAT WAS SLAIN BEFORE THE WORD WAS MADE.

The Lamb of God that takes away the sin OF THE WORLD--going all the way back to Adam & Eve, being included, of the Promise of the Seed of the woman who would crush Satan's head. Sacrifice & shed blood was understood back then! Look again at Hebrews 11 concerning Cain & Abel & the skins for Adam & Eve! Abel still speaks to us today!

It REMAINS the same one gospel from eternity to eternity. It doesn't have a beginning other than in the Lord, who is eternal & it will never end. It remains the same through all eternity.

People like Noah were saved by grace through faith looking FORWARD to the promised Seed & Redeemer & Messiah.

Gen 6:8 Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.
Heb 11:1ff Now faith is the assurance of what we hope for and the certainty of what we do not see. This is WHY THE ANCIENTS won God's approval by it. By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in godly fear built an ark to save his family. By faith he condemned the world & became HEIR OF THE RIGHTEOUSNESS THAT COMES BY FAITH.

They were saved by grace through faith, just like us, but they looked FORWARD, believing by faith in the Promised Seed of Eve, Abraham, David! They believed by faith, looking FORWARD to the Promised Messiah to come! They believed by faith, looking FORWARD to the Redeemer & believed in the resurrection!

Job knew His Redeemer lived & that he would be resurrected to be with Him! How did he know that clear back then? The gospel, the good news, the glad tidings were preached even back then, by the prophets of old.

Job 19:23-27 Oh that my words were written! Oh that they were inscribed in a book!
Oh that with an iron pen & lead they were engraved in the rock forever! For I know that my Redeemer lives & at the last He will stand upon the earth. And after my skin has been thus destroyed, yet in my flesh I shall see God, whom I shall see for myself & my eyes shall behold & not another. My heart faints within me!

Abraham was saved by grace through faith & God imputed to him the very righteousness of God. The one true, eternal gospel of Jesus Christ, the Promised Seed, the Promised Messiah, the promised Redeemer, was preached to Abraham. Abraham KNEW JESUS PERSONALLY! That is why the Jewish rabbi's were going to stone Jesus, because they knew what Jesus was saying, He knew Abraham & Abraham knew Him & Abraham REJOICED TO SEE JESUS DAY! His faith was in his hope of what Jesus would do when coming to earth. Abraham was called three times in Scripture: the FRIEND OF GOD!

He had a personal relationship with the pre-incarnate Messiah!

Heb 11:8FF By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed & went, without knowing where he was going. By faith he dwelt in the PROMISED land as a stranger in a foreign country. He lived in tents, as did Isaac & Jacob, who were HEIRS WITH HIM OF THE SAME PROMISE. For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect & builder is God.

All these people died in faith, without having received the things they were promised. However, they saw them and welcomed them from afar. they were longing for a better country, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.

By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac on the altar. He who had received the promises was ready to offer his one and only son,c 18even though God had said to him, “Through Isaac your offspring will be reckoned.”d 19Abraham reasoned that God could raise the dead, and in a sense, he did receive Isaac back from death.

Abraham KNEW by faith of the resurrection of the dead & of the heavenly city, clear back then! This isn't new news but an eternal gospel.

Paul even said THE GOSPEL (which he preached) was preached to Abraham clear back then & he was saved by grace through faith & imputed the very righteousness of Christ--LOOKING FORWARD! We look by faith BACKWARDS to the cross. Abraham is the FATHER of those who have faith in Christ.

Galatians 3:8 What’s more, THE SCRIPTURES LOOKED FORWARD to this time when God would make the Gentiles right in His sight because of their faith. God proclaimed THIS GOOD NEWS TO ABRAHAM LONG AGO when he said, “All nations will be blessed through you.”

There is really no need to declare whether any post is your last post. If you don't feel like posting, just stop.

You stated

They preached the good news that Jesus is the Christ & THE Son of God, being Deity & forgiveness of sins is found only in Him.

You are correct, that was the gospel being preached before the cross. Some deemed that as the "Gospel of the Kingdom".

That was the Gospel that was preached to Jews only, Jesus explicitly forbid the 12 to preach that good news to the Gentiles (Matthew 10:5). One obvious reason was that the Law of Moses continue to be binding on anyone following that Gospel (Matthew 5:17-20, Acts 21:20, Acts 22:12).

I hope you can already see there are many significant differences between that gospel and the gospel that the ascended Christ specially commissioned Paul to preach to the Gentiles. The latter is called the Gospel of the Grace of God.

Mathetes66 · Jan 24, 2020

You are correct, that was the gospel being preached before the cross. Some deemed that as the "Gospel of the Kingdom".

I am now convinced you are not reading the whole of my posts or ignoring them completely. I again showed a plethora of verses showing that was the SAME gospel preached AFTER THE CROSS & AFTER THE RESURRECTION. Paul preached that same message in his ministry & missionary journeys! I showed you that from Scripture. Paul after the cross preached the gospel of the kingdom of God numerous times. I showed you one in my last post. Acts 28 is another example near the end of the life of Paul.

Paul refers to the kingdom of God fourteen times in his epistles besides Acts. Several of Paul’s references indicate who will not enter God’s kingdom. For example, Paul states that “the unjust will not inherit God’s kingdom” (1 Cor 6:9). Gal 5:21 &and Ephesians 5:5 declare that people who practice ungodly behavior will not have an inheritance in God’s kingdom.

These verses reveal a strong connection between the kingdom & soteriology (salvation). One must be saved & evidence righteous behavior to enter the kingdom. On the other hand, those who are characterized by evil deeds show that the kingdom does not belong to them.

These truths do not indicate that salvation or kingdom entrance is based on works, but they show that, by faith, kingdom citizens have the power of the New Covenant ministry of the Holy Spirit in their lives bringing forth righteous behavior.

Also, for Paul, the heart of the kingdom program is the resurrected Jesus who is the “descendant of David” (Rom 1:3; 2 Tim 2:8). Thus, any kingdom truths in Paul are ultimately tied to Jesus the Messiah who brings fulfillment of the Davidic Covenant (see 2 Sam 7:12–16) over the course of His two advents.

And to top all of that, Paul says that those who worked with him were “co-workers for the kingdom of God” (Col 4:11). Did you catch that? All those working with Paul (Barnabas, Saul, list in Romans 16, Colossians 4, etc.) were all GOSPEL WORKERS FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD! You cannot divorce the kingdom of God from the one true, eternal gospel of Christ & make it supposedly into yet a second gospel. Scripture does not allow that, with a severe warning to those who do. There are not two or 3 or 4 gospels; only one gospel. It has many prepositional & modifying phrases associated with it, but it is emphatic when using 'the' gospel.

But as the true saying goes, 'Try to convince someone against their will, they will be of the same opinion still.' Again just remember the Apostle Paul's warning: there is only one gospel; those who preach another gospel or more than one gospel will be accursed.

Guojing · Jan 24, 2020

Mathetes66 said:
I am now convinced you are not reading the whole of my posts or ignoring them completely. I again showed a plethora of verses showing that was the SAME gospel preached AFTER THE CROSS & AFTER THE RESURRECTION. Paul preached that same message in his ministry & missionary journeys! I showed you that from Scripture. Paul after the cross preached the gospel of the kingdom of God numerous times. I showed you one in my last post. Acts 28 is another example near the end of the life of Paul.

Paul refers to the kingdom of God fourteen times in his epistles besides Acts. Several of Paul’s references indicate who will not enter God’s kingdom. For example, Paul states that “the unjust will not inherit God’s kingdom” (1 Cor 6:9). Gal 5:21 &and Ephesians 5:5 declare that people who practice ungodly behavior will not have an inheritance in God’s kingdom.

These verses reveal a strong connection between the kingdom & soteriology (salvation). One must be saved & evidence righteous behavior to enter the kingdom. On the other hand, those who are characterized by evil deeds show that the kingdom does not belong to them.

These truths do not indicate that salvation or kingdom entrance is based on works, but they show that, by faith, kingdom citizens have the power of the New Covenant ministry of the Holy Spirit in their lives bringing forth righteous behavior.

Also, for Paul, the heart of the kingdom program is the resurrected Jesus who is the “descendant of David” (Rom 1:3; 2 Tim 2:8). Thus, any kingdom truths in Paul are ultimately tied to Jesus the Messiah who brings fulfillment of the Davidic Covenant (see 2 Sam 7:12–16) over the course of His two advents.

And to top all of that, Paul says that those who worked with him were “co-workers for the kingdom of God” (Col 4:11). Did you catch that? All those working with Paul (Barnabas, Saul, list in Romans 16, Colossians 4, etc.) were all GOSPEL WORKERS FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD! You cannot divorce the kingdom of God from the one true, eternal gospel of Christ & make it supposedly into yet a second gospel. Scripture does not allow that, with a severe warning to those who do. There are not two or 3 or 4 gospels; only one gospel. It has many prepositional & modifying phrases associated with it, but it is emphatic when using 'the' gospel.

But as the true saying goes, 'Try to convince someone against their will, they will be of the same opinion still.' Again just remember the Apostle Paul's warning: there is only one gospel; those who preach another gospel or more than one gospel will be accursed.

Let's put together what you have claimed so far

"Jesus didn't send them out to preach the one gospel to the end of the world, to all nations, UNTIL AFTER He LIVED the gospel message: suffering, dying, buried & risen from the dead. They couldn't preach it until it happened & until they were actual eyewitnesses. Then they could do exactly what Jesus told them to do."

When I pointed out to you that Luke 9:6 contradict your claim above, you replied with

They preached the good news that Jesus is the Christ & THE Son of God, being Deity & forgiveness of sins is found only in Him.

And now you are claiming that both gospels have the same content? I have already pointed out to you some significant differences

One was forbidden to be preached to the Gentiles (Matthew 10:5)
One required obedience to the Law of Moses (Matthew 5:17-20, Acts 21:20)

Yep, I agree with you about "'Try to convince someone against their will, they will be of the same opinion still.'

I certainly don't expect to change your opinion thru such debates. I am happy merely to point out some inconsistencies in your opinion. But if you insist both gospels are the same, well, we are all living in a free country.

Guojing · Jan 24, 2020

Mathetes66 said:
I am now convinced you are not reading the whole of my posts or ignoring them completely. I again showed a plethora of verses showing that was the SAME gospel preached AFTER THE CROSS & AFTER THE RESURRECTION. Paul preached that same message in his ministry & missionary journeys! I showed you that from Scripture. Paul after the cross preached the gospel of the kingdom of God numerous times. I showed you one in my last post. Acts 28 is another example near the end of the life of Paul.

Paul refers to the kingdom of God fourteen times in his epistles besides Acts. Several of Paul’s references indicate who will not enter God’s kingdom. For example, Paul states that “the unjust will not inherit God’s kingdom” (1 Cor 6:9). Gal 5:21 &and Ephesians 5:5 declare that people who practice ungodly behavior will not have an inheritance in God’s kingdom.

These verses reveal a strong connection between the kingdom & soteriology (salvation). One must be saved & evidence righteous behavior to enter the kingdom. On the other hand, those who are characterized by evil deeds show that the kingdom does not belong to them.

These truths do not indicate that salvation or kingdom entrance is based on works, but they show that, by faith, kingdom citizens have the power of the New Covenant ministry of the Holy Spirit in their lives bringing forth righteous behavior.

Also, for Paul, the heart of the kingdom program is the resurrected Jesus who is the “descendant of David” (Rom 1:3; 2 Tim 2:8). Thus, any kingdom truths in Paul are ultimately tied to Jesus the Messiah who brings fulfillment of the Davidic Covenant (see 2 Sam 7:12–16) over the course of His two advents.

And to top all of that, Paul says that those who worked with him were “co-workers for the kingdom of God” (Col 4:11). Did you catch that? All those working with Paul (Barnabas, Saul, list in Romans 16, Colossians 4, etc.) were all GOSPEL WORKERS FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD! You cannot divorce the kingdom of God from the one true, eternal gospel of Christ & make it supposedly into yet a second gospel. Scripture does not allow that, with a severe warning to those who do. There are not two or 3 or 4 gospels; only one gospel. It has many prepositional & modifying phrases associated with it, but it is emphatic when using 'the' gospel.

But as the true saying goes, 'Try to convince someone against their will, they will be of the same opinion still.' Again just remember the Apostle Paul's warning: there is only one gospel; those who preach another gospel or more than one gospel will be accursed.

An explanation of this common view "But Paul also preached the Kingdom of God", like what you hold above:

The key to note is that the same English term used in the KJV can mean different things in the Greek. The classic example is the term heaven. Depending on where it is used, it can mean the first heaven, the skies, where the birds fly, the second heaven or outer space where the stars and planets are, or the 3rd heaven when the throne of God is.

Likewise, the word tribulation does not always means Jacob's trouble or the 7 years great tribulation, it can also mean sufferings that we are undergoing now, as Paul has used 1 Thess 3:4. Someone who rightly divide the word of Truth should not use 1 Thess 3:4 to conclude that Paul is saying the Body of Christ will also be going thru Jacob's trouble.

Once you are able to understand the above point, when you then read Paul talking about the Kingdom of God, in that Colossians passage or even at the end of Acts, Acts 28, it does not mean the same Kingdom of God used by Peter and the 11, the latter refers to the physical kingdom of heaven on Earth, where Jesus will reign as King over the Jews sitting on David's throne.

Paul is not referring to that physical kingdom when he talks about the Kingdom of God. Hope this clarifies for you.

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