Does it really matter if God was created?

JohnClay said:

I thought they'd see an infinite amount of glory first.... and it is unclear whether you can see more glory than what already is infinite.

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No... you need an infinite amount of time to see infinite Glory.

JohnClay said:

So what you're talking about involves a changing environment where it is clear that time is passing. You're talking about a specific number of bows that would have happened before God decided to create the universe. BTW I wonder if our sense of boredom is based on God's? Or does God not ever get bored?

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No there is no time in eternity.

JohnClay said:

Or does God not ever get bored?

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That's a good question, but that also might be why He has both made and has us, etc, maybe, etc, and I think it is for Love also, or not being alone and having loving relationships with other sentient beings, etc, who maybe at least could have the possible eventuality of being and/or becoming like Him eventually, etc, one day, etc, or eventually rise to the level or levels where He is at, with His help of course, be truly "one" with Him then maybe, etc... Anyway, cause He also made the angels at one time also as well, if time applies, etc... The angels could have maybe been like us at one point in time, and may be in the middle of the process maybe, etc... We might become like them one day maybe, etc, say in Heaven maybe, etc, after death here maybe, etc...

Again, this is all highly theoretical though...

Anyway, I think His being plenty busy with all of us, and with Heaven and earth, etc, and all things contained within, keeps Him from getting "bored" at all ever, etc, might even be exciting to or for Him, etc...

God Bless!

JohnClay said:

Then perhaps it is compatible with the idea that God was around a limited amount of time (like zero time, or a short amount of time) then he created the universe... it just involves an appropriate interpretation of Psalms 90:2 ("from everlasting to everlasting you are God")

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There was no time before the universe was created, time was created. The concept didn’t exist there was nothing physical to be bound by it.

Carl Emerson said:

No there is no time in eternity.

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Or time just flows and operates and is much much different there, with no real "end" to it, etc, but just a continuation of it continually, etc, for eternity, etc, when we maybe even go to place that is eventually without time at all in any kind of way or shape and/or form at all, etc, after we have learned the true nature of ourselves and our own thoughts and feelings and ourselves and have learned some "control", or mastery of ourselves and them, etc... (including the nature of the subconscious, etc)...

Maybe then go to place where our own thoughts and/or feelings dictate and control/manifest/create/define/establish/create reality, etc, or all realities as we know them, etc...?

"Maybe", etc...

God Bless!

GaveMeJoy said:

There was no time before the universe was created, time was created. The concept didn’t exist there was nothing physical to be bound by it.

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We don't know if there is some kind of "time concept" in Heaven though, cause or since He created "the Heavens and the Earth", etc...?

But if there is a time concept in Heaven, I still think it would be much different than here, etc, we see it as a constant, and unchanging, and never flowing or going any differently in direction or directions, etc, backwards or forwards, etc, or any slower or faster, etc, etc, etc, but it might not be that way there, etc, but there might still be some kind of "time concept" or concept of time there, etc, just very much "different", etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!

I think it probably only at the very end of the process that God will add creative and/or destructive power to our own thoughts and feelings, etc, otherwise it could be a complete disaster, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!

JohnClay said:

Well I've had experiences that give me the impression there is an intelligent force ("God") behind the Bible. All of my experiences of synchronicity involve the Bible or the meaning of life.

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Here you go then:

Who Else Wants to Experience God in Your Life?

SkyWriting said:

God was in communion with Jesus at least. Jesus would be doing the creating.
He enjoyed the company and decided that mankind would be a natural extension of himself.

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Well, but there is more. This God knew what his creation would end up doing, he knew he would have to kill many of them in a flood and then punish most of them for eternity in Hell (per the traditional Christian belief). And yet, he decided to push the "create" button anyways.

What does it say about that God, assuming he exists?

Put it another way, lets say you know with 100% certainty that the baby conceived tonight will have a major deformity. Would you try to change anything, and perhaps not conceive this very night? Perhaps wait until tomorrow? But God did press forward even knowing full well that his creation will end up doomed forever.

BigV said:

Well, but there is more. This God knew what his creation would end up doing, he knew he would have to kill many of them in a flood and then punish most of them for eternity in Hell (per the traditional Christian belief). And yet, he decided to push the "create" button anyways.

What does it say about that God, assuming he exists?

Put it another way, lets say you know with 100% certainty that the baby conceived tonight will have a major deformity. Would you try to change anything, and perhaps not conceive this very night? Perhaps wait until tomorrow? But God did press forward even knowing full well that his creation will end up doomed forever.

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It says God is a trinity to me.

God Bless!

JohnClay said:

If this universe was a game of the Sims then the world outside is the physical computer and the world around it. Note that in the Sims you can pause and speed up and slow down time.

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Yes, who knows which speculative analogies might (or might not) happen to partly align with some aspect (less than all) of how things are, and we don't know for sure of course.

Neogaia777 said:

We don't know if there is some kind of "time concept" in Heaven though, cause or since He created "the Heavens and the Earth", etc...?

But if there is a time concept in Heaven, I still think it would be much different than here, etc, we see it as a constant, and unchanging, and never flowing or going any differently in direction or directions, etc, backwards or forwards, etc, or any slower or faster, etc, etc, etc, but it might not be that way there, etc, but there might still be some kind of "time concept" or concept of time there, etc, just very much "different", etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!

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Excellent point

JohnClay said:

Who Made God?

Apparently God is unchanging and before the universe he was just alone... so how would God be able to tell if he was there a year, or a billion years or an eternity? Also I'm not sure if it would make sense if there was an infinite amount of time before the creation of the universe. And there is the "first cause" argument - God created the universe - but what caused God to want to create the universe?

I guess being eternal without being created sounds more impressive but I think it makes a lot of sense to believe that God is a created AI that created the apparent simulation we're in:
Christianity and Computer Simulations?
It explains how God could have a perfect mind. I mean it's like how a computer can play a "perfect" game of noughts and crosses or connect four.

What I quoted above might conflict with my theory.

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Something had to be around forever since something does not come from pure nothing. Did time, space, energy and matter exist forever (matter could just come from energy), or was there also intelligence (God)? If you say no god then time, space, energy and matter created intelligence since you are an intelligent being. Human intelligence has created a form of intelligence, so super intelligence could easily make intelligent beings. The likely hold of you being the first intelligence coming from just space, time, energy and matter as compared to intelligence coming for space, time, mater, energy, and intelligence would be unbelievably unlikely, so how lucky are you?

JohnClay said:

Well I've had experiences that give me the impression there is an intelligent force ("God") behind the Bible.

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Have you also had experiences that left you under the impression that something created God?

JohnClay said:

Who Made God?

Apparently God is unchanging and before the universe he was just alone...

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That's not a fair characterization of Christian theology, that's more like your spin on it.

so how would God be able to tell if he was there a year, or a billion years or an eternity? Also I'm not sure if it would make sense if there was an infinite amount of time before the creation of the universe.

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It wouldn't. Christians believe God created time, also.

JohnClay said:

Well I've had experiences that give me the impression there is an intelligent force ("God") behind the Bible. All of my experiences of synchronicity involve the Bible or the meaning of life.

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