Lady Donna Marie
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I don't think "decided to change that" truly portrays the story. Eve was deceived, and there is a huge difference between falling for a lie and deliberately rebelling. Now Adam KNEW, and he still chose to eat. We can speculate why, I have some thoughts, but for this thread, I am not sure that one line is accurate. Respectfully.Eve too was created sinless until her and Adam decided to change that.
For multitudes of multitudes, horrible.What is it like to be a True Human Being?
So, for many it would be horrible to be a True Human Being. Why?For multitudes of multitudes, horrible.
No.What is it like to be a True Human Being?
So, for many it would be horrible to be a True Human Being. Why?
And where is your scripture?No.
You did not ask what "would be horrible".
You asked "what is it like".
See what the Bible says , not what men think, to see what human beings are, and what their future is too, i.e. what they all are destined for, mostly.
Always, always, always, stick with Scripture.
First I must ask if you believe all Scripture is Inspired by Yahweh and is Truth as Jesus Says with all the Apostles and disciples in the NT.And where is your scripture?
Yes to the first; though others may interpret Scripture according to what they want to hear.First I must ask if you believe all Scripture is Inspired by Yahweh and is Truth as Jesus Says with all the Apostles and disciples in the NT.
Also, so there's no misunderstanding (we might never be in agreement if this is seen otherwise) >
do you believe it is horrible for a soul (a person) to be resurrected to judgment instead of to life with Jesus ?
It is bad enough to awaken to the Truth while still alive, and discover that your whole life was for nothing (empty of any truth). And in that 'knowing' to realize that nearly everybody else, including most so-called Christians, will discover the same _ that their soul has been denied, by self, all their life, even though they do not think so.
And where is your scripture?
But these humans are not 'true', or living the way, the truth, and the life of a Being.That seems pretty horrible to me too.
Also, in the Apocalypse (Revelation) , "the rest of mankind will REFUSE TO REPENT...." referring to two-thirds at least, of the population of earth, when one third (believing or not) has been killed as written ...
So for most humans, which are mostly doomed, it is pretty horrible, isn't it ?
They may have been created before the instruction not to eat was given, but they hadn't sinned (broken a commandment/instruction) until the command to not eat was given. Sin is the breaking of commandments (1 John 3:4) but we don't see rebellion in this story... we see somebody acting because they were deceived. There is a difference between knowing what God wants and falling prey to some kind of lie or deception.... and knowing what God wants and deliberately choosing against His will. Eve wasn't given the commandment from God, Adam was and Eve was deceived. If anything, Adam rebelled because he KNEW what God wanted. However, we could view his action as a messianic picture... sacrificing himself for his bride.According to Genesis 1:26-27 Adam and Eve were created before the instructions of the tree of good and evil.
26. And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Then in Genesis 3:1 it brings up Eve telling the serpent about the tree that God told them not to eat.
Genesis 3:1
1Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? 2And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. 4And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
So from what I am getting from the Bible they both knew equally and both choosed to disobey whether they were tricked by the serpent themselves or by the serpents influence that was allowed to be in Eve after she disobeyed. Adam could have said no, but he didn't. Adam could have been looking out for Eve, but was elsewhere. Eve could have said no, but didn't. They both had their own will to freely choose and they both freely choose to directly disobey the words from God.
That's why I said they decided to change because they had a life that was full of everything they needed, but after disobeying they received a life that meant all would have to die. Sometimes people are tempted when they don't know what something means and or don't trust/believe what is given to them and end up suffering the consequences of their actions. Adam and Eve were told that they would die. My guess this that they didn't know what dying meant until they were confronted with God and knew there was a big difference in the life they had to the life they were going to live.
The word Human is not in the Bible. The idea though is that man has the breath of life. He is spiritual and has a spiritual soul. This is different from the soul that dwells in animals or our physical body.What is it like to be a True Human Being?
It may well be.The word Human is not in the Bible. The idea though is that man has the breath of life. He is spiritual and has a spiritual soul. This is different from the soul that dwells in animals or our physical body.
How is having a spiritual soul different to having a soul dwelling in our physical body?The word Human is not in the Bible. The idea though is that man has the breath of life. He is spiritual and has a spiritual soul. This is different from the soul that dwells in animals or our physical body.
Actually I got that from Rabbi Friedman on youtube. He talks about what can and can not die. The body returns to the earth and the soul goes to Heaven.How is having a spiritual soul different to having a soul dwelling in our physical body? Are you saying we have two souls?
That is why Adam is a paradox. He stands between Heaven and Earth. To either connect or to seperate. "In the beginning God created Heaven and earth"(Genesis 1:1) On the sixth day God created man. "God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and every creature that crawls upon the earth.” (Genesis 1:28)It may well be.
As written: Yahweh (the Creator) is not human ("not man") that He could lie.
So you do not know . . .Actually I got that from Rabbi Friedman on youtube. He talks about what can and can not die. The body returns to the earth and the soul goes to Heaven.
"Rabbi Friedman is a renown Jewish Rabbi, inspirational speaker, and teacher who imparts wisdom with no-nonsense and gentle humor. He offers guidance about how to live a Jewish life full of meaning. In the video, “The Soul and the Afterlife: Where do We Go from Here”, he discusses the Jewish belief, Hell, life after death, the nature of the soul, and so on. He begins with a few charming anecdotes, which illustrate the fluidity of belief about the afterlife that exists in Judaism, and goes on to examine closely the different aspects of this subject."
Genesis
How is having a spiritual soul different to having a soul dwelling in our physical body?
Are you saying we have two souls?
I do not know, this came from man. It is not something the Holy Spirit was showing me.So you do not know . . .