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So Jesus was wrong when He said, "if you will enter into life, keep the commandments."?
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Which of the following people are saved?
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So Jesus was wrong when He said, "if you will enter into life, keep the commandments."?
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Things are not in the way that we prefer them to be. God's narrow way is not a comforting message that we can sin and still be saved. There are too many warnings against sin and in being fruitless to in Scripture to ignore so as to have a shallow belief alone in Jesus for salvation. It simply does not work like that if one were to look at the whole counsel of God's Word.
Yes, we are saved by God's grace. That is where it starts. That is also the foundation. But God's grace teaches us to deny ungodliness and that we should live righteously and godly in this present world (See: Titus 2:11-12).
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So that we MIGHT become the righteousness of God in Him. The righteous way in which we live can apply Christ's sacrifice (See: 1 John 1:7). Also, keep reading in 2 Corinthians and you will see that Paul talks about how they sought forgiveness with the Lord over their recent sin (2 Corinthians 7:10), and yet Paul feared that they would have not repented of their sins.
"Again, think ye that we excuse ourselves unto you? we speak before God in Christ: but we do all things, dearly beloved, for your edifying. For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults: And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed." (2 Corinthians 12:19-21).
Paul says for them to examine themselves on whether they are in the faith unless they are reprobate (2 Corinthians 13:5).
Why would they need to examine themselves if they are simply saved by having a belief alone on Jesus?
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I don't think we agree on Titus 2:11-12 because you no doubt hold to the OSAS view of 1 John 1:8 that says we will always have some kind of sin in our lives 24/7. If I am wrong on 1 John 1:8, then you have my apologies.
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This was said to the rich young ruler, prior to the sacrifice of Christ to atone for all sin ....
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While no words specifically states that the Jewish crowd who were after the miracle bread had left between John 6:25-62 before we reach John 6:63, it does seem highly possible that Jesus was merely repeating his sermon in the synagogue to the disciples later on (by the wording used). Granted, the sermon seems to run all together, but you might be right on this point. Regardless of whether or not John 6:63 was said exclusively to the many disciples or that it also included the crowd who simply wanted only more of the miracle fish and bread (Which was just physical), it does not change anything. For a certain number of disciples stopped following Jesus because they did not have a belief in Jesus.
"But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, " (John 6:64).
So this still supports my point from before. They never truly received God's grace to begin with and they were still stuck in their false Pharisee religion of wanting to do works alone to be saved. So they thought in carnal terms. They did not understand that to drink of Christ's blood is believe in Jesus (Romans 3:25), and eat of his flesh (or meat) was to do the will of the Father. Jesus said in John 4:34 says his meat is to do the will of the Father. The will of Father (or the will of God) is our Sanctification (1 Thessalonians 4:3). For Matthew 7:21 essentially says, not everyone who says unto Jesus, "Lord, Lord" will enter the kingdom of Heaven.
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Sorry. That does not help you. Revelation 22 says,
"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie." (Revelation 22:14-15).
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Luke 15:7 does not negate the truth in John 15:1-6. Both are true.
Luke 15:7 is referring to the Justification aspect of salvation (God's mercy), and John 15:1-6 is in regards to the Sanctification aspect of salvation.
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I am saying: I just have to humbly accept God’s charity as pure undeserved charity to obtain God’s Love. Once I obtain Godly type Love, eternal life and the indwelling Holy Spirit, then out of Godly type Love (Gratitude) I will do good stuff with the Spirit’s help. What is your motivation?
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How convenient. So God is a respecter of persons? Meaning, will God really let a certain age of believers slide in regards to their sin and yet He will not do so in another age or time period? Come on now.
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The dawn of the post-return kingdom is like the Earth after the flood. Only Noah and his family survived ... and they survived ... because they had the faith to get on the ark ...
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Not buying it. So what about the apostle John?
John said,
“And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.” (1 John 3:23).
Jesus says,
“A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.” (John 13:34).
Believing in Jesus and loving the brethren are commands.
Surely you believe that believing in Jesus is for salvation. So by this command you are saved. You are justified by a law or command.
Is loving one another (loving the brethren) a part of salvation?
“In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1 John 3:10).
So according to John, we are not of God if we do not love our brother.
Can somebody who is not of God be saved?
Surely not.
John says whoever hates his brother is like a murderer and no murderer has eternal life abiding in him (See 1 John 3:15).
So you must believe that a Christian can never hate his brother (even by accident).
For John makes it clear whoever hates his brother has no eternal life abiding in him.
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I don't think that there are any accidents ... in God's economy.
Further, I don't think that a good parent, which God claims to be, will allow things to get to that point.
When me and my brothers were growing up together, my parents would ensure that we never got to the point of truly hating one another. I'm sure that God does no less.
Which really illustrates my point of view, I guess.
I truly believe that once God has us, He is loathe to let us go ... and will do anything and everything necessary ... to avoid that loss. I think that He may even take some of us away ... to prevent our falling into unrecoverable sin.
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The Bible says that God can be seen through creation so man is without excuse. I think that doesn’t seem to apply to infants or babies because they can’t really observe with understanding.
I have seen infants get angry and act on it, exhibit other human traits associated with sin tho...but maybe they don’t have an understanding of it? Idk grey area for sure.
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It seems pretty obvious that children who do not reach the age of reason, usually about age 5 or 6, are most likely saved. However, Augustine insisted that the unbaptized babies go to Limbo and not Heaven. While most of us here probably disagree with Augustine regarding the fate of the unbaptized babies, including most Catholics in 2020 it would seem, we cannot deny the possibility that he might have been correct. As far as the fate of the others, only God knows.
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Once you start requiring works into the system, you start having to make exceptions. So a cripple can't do works, are they hopeless then?
You know Romans 4:4 but then ignore Romans 4:5, why?
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We're going to be in an eternal close relationship with God by accepting His charity and when we come to the new earth, we will also be obeying Him, we won't be able to disobey Him. Right now we're on a cursed world, in a cursed body that thinks it loves to disobey Him. But when it comes down to it, we'll have personal life lessons and character building that young children who died early won't have. They'll know that they're to obey God, but won't know why disobeying God carried consequences. We'll know why because we'll have experienced it. We'll be able to personally testify that God's way is better. A lot of times I've wondered why God didn't just create the world perfect the way it will be in the new Earth to begin with. That's the reason why. Because without personal testimony of just what sin leads to, eventually, someone will sin, because they don't understand consequence of doing it. We'll have had thousands of years of experience of death, disease, hardship, persecution, loss, and suffering to say "you don't even want to think about disobeying God, because it led to misery, you have it good here, in fact beyond good, perfect here."
If everyone died as a baby (#1 we'd go extinct really fast wouldn't we?), maybe someone would sin in the new earth and trash that.
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