Schiff's Politics of Fear

Bobber · Jan 23, 2020

Schiff warns of Russian attack on US mainland, as Day 2 of Trump's Senate impeachment trial concludes

So Schiff in the Impeachment trial before the Senate sought to make a case that the Russians could attack the U.S. and that the integrity of the 2020 elections cannot be assured?

Perhaps he might yield to the wisdom of a well known Democratic President of the past, Franklin D. Roosevelt, "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself" ?????

Or maybe the words of another on his side of the isle, Hillary Clinton when she said during her Presidential campaign about the possibility of Trump possibly not willing to accept the future election results,

"We've been around 240 years. We've had free and fair elections and we've accepted the outcomes when we may not have liked them and that is what must be expected of anyone standing on a debate stage during a general election." Hillary Clinton

She said on twitter a few days later on Oct 24, 2016, "Donald Trump refused to say that he'd respect the results of this election. That's a direct threat to our democracy"

So the question....what can be said about Adam Schiff's statements before the Senate? What did Clinton say someone who takes a position like him would be?

Bobber · Jan 23, 2020

As stated it appears Adam Schiff is seeking to induce terror into the hearts and minds of Americans as to the threat of Russians attacking the U.S. mainland all because Trump is President or could be re-elected?

To what measure of fear mongering will some, many or a few of these Democratic politicians go to make a case? Does their arguments come across as anyway credible in the slightest? An actual attack on the mainland?

Wasn't there another Democratic politician who did the same in 64 in a commercial aired one time by their campaign but then they pulled it down? Some say it remains one of the most controversial political advertisement ever made. The Daisy Commercial. One wonders why Schiff didn't try to play it in the Senate. Isn't it basically what he was saying to the American people?

essentialsaltes · Jan 23, 2020

Bobber said:
So the question....what can be said about Adam Schiff's statements before the Senate? What did Clinton say someone who takes a position like him would be?

That it should be obvious to a child that saying that the election may be under undue influence is different from saying that one will refuse to abide by the election.

GoldenBoy89 · Jan 23, 2020

Plus, he never said that the impeachment is to stave off an attack from Russia on the mainland. He was giving the reasons of why we are helping Ukraine fight Russia in the first place.

Albion · Jan 23, 2020

I heard some of Schiff's remarks the other day, and the claims are so imaginary, over the top, so far beyond anything credible or reasonable, that it's hard to imagine anyone but a dyed-in-the-wool partisan believing such absurdities.

And IF, on the outside chance that the House members actually believed some of it to be true...how is it that the articles of impeachment that they voted on did not feature any of it??

GoldenBoy89 · Jan 23, 2020

Albion said:
I heard some of Schiff's remarks the other day, and the claims are so imaginary, over the top, so far beyond anything credible or reasonable, that it's hard to imagine anyone but a dyed-in-the-wool partisan believing such absurdities.

Well don’t leave us hanging! How’s about an example? The most outlandish claim. Go!

DaisyDay · Jan 23, 2020

Cyber attack. :doh:

It happened before, in 2016. It is foolish to think they aren't trying it again, especially in light of the present administration's compliance with Russia, its denial of the previous attack and its lack of preparation to prevent one again.

whatbogsends · Jan 23, 2020

Bobber said:
Schiff warns of Russian attack on US mainland, as Day 2 of Trump's Senate impeachment trial concludes

So Schiff in the Impeachment trial before the Senate sought to make a case that the Russians could attack the U.S. and that the integrity of the 2020 elections cannot be assured?

Perhaps he might yield to the wisdom of a well known Democratic President of the past, Franklin D. Roosevelt, "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself" ?????

Or maybe the words of another on his side of the isle, Hillary Clinton when she said during her Presidential campaign about the possibility of Trump possibly not willing to accept the future election results,

"We've been around 240 years. We've had free and fair elections and we've accepted the outcomes when we may not have liked them and that is what must be expected of anyone standing on a debate stage during a general election." Hillary Clinton

She said on twitter a few days later on Oct 24, 2016, "Donald Trump refused to say that he'd respect the results of this election. That's a direct threat to our democracy"

So the question....what can be said about Adam Schiff's statements before the Senate? What did Clinton say someone who takes a position like him would be?

A better question is why are people supporting a President who is clearly violating our election laws, and seeking foreign assistance in our elections.

Albion · Jan 23, 2020

The Russians collaborated with the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton Campaign, not the Republican National Committee or the Trump organization. And why not?--it had nothing to fear from a Hillary Clinton administration and her famous "restart" button, whereas President Trump has done plenty to try to stifle Putin's adventurism.

Trump ordered Russia to close three of its diplomatic facilities in the US: its consulate in San Francisco and annexes in Washington, DC, and New York City.

Publicly condemned Russian espionage in the UK.

Imposed sanctions.

Worked to stop the new natural gas transmission line from Russia to Germany.

Expelled Russian diplomats in the USA.

whatbogsends · Jan 23, 2020

Albion said:
I heard some of Schiff's remarks the other day, and the claims are so imaginary, over the top, so far beyond anything credible or reasonable, that it's hard to imagine anyone but a dyed-in-the-wool partisan believing such absurdities.

And IF, on the outside chance that the House members actually believed some of it to be true...how is it that the articles of impeachment that they voted on did not feature any of it??

Do you mean imaginary, over the top claims such as these:

GoldenBoy89 · Jan 23, 2020

Albion said:
The Russians collaborated with the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton Campaign, not the Republican National Committee or the Trump organization. And why not?--it had nothing to fear from a Hillary Clinton administration, whereas President Trump has done plenty to try to stifle Putin's adventurism.

The claim back in 2016 was that Hillary would try to provoke a war with Russia. That having Trump be friendly with Putin was better for us than Hillary being antagonistic.

Albion · Jan 23, 2020

GoldenBoy89 said:
The claim back in 2016 was that Hillary would try to provoke a war with Russia. That having Trump be friendly with Putin was better for us than Hillary being antagonistic.

Who's claim was that one?

GoldenBoy89 · Jan 23, 2020

Albion said:
Who's claim was that one?

Most of Trump’s supporters back then.

TLK Valentine · Jan 23, 2020

Hey, remember when "Schiff" claimed that the stock market would crash if Donald was impeached?

And when "Schiff's" supporters warned of a civil war if Donald were to actually be removed?

The good ol' days...

Albion · Jan 23, 2020

GoldenBoy89 said:
Most of Trump’s supporters back then.

No, but "Trump's supporters" isn't much of an answer anyway.

I will tell you who made the claim--Alex Jones. And he cited one diplomat's personal hunch.

GoldenBoy89 · Jan 23, 2020

Albion said:
No, but "Trump's supporters" isn't much of an answer anyway.

I will tell you who made the claim--Alex Jones. And he cited one diplomat's personal hunch.

Fair enough. I was under the impression that it was much more common among his supporters that being friendly to Russia was a better alternative to being antagonistic towards them, hence Trump being their better choice in the matter.

TLK Valentine · Jan 23, 2020

GoldenBoy89 said:
He was giving the reasons of why we are helping Ukraine fight Russia in the first place.

Well, most of us, anyway...

TLK Valentine · Jan 23, 2020

GoldenBoy89 said:
Fair enough. I was under the impression that it was much more common among his supporters that being friendly to Russia was a better alternative to being antagonistic towards them, hence Trump being their better choice in the matter.

I suspected that the cause and effect was reversed among Donald's supporters... he can do no wrong, hence being friendly to Russia is the better (read: only plusgood) choice in the matter.

iluvatar5150 · Jan 23, 2020

Bobber said:
Schiff warns of Russian attack on US mainland, as Day 2 of Trump's Senate impeachment trial concludes

So Schiff in the Impeachment trial before the Senate sought to make a case that the Russians could attack the U.S. and that the integrity of the 2020 elections cannot be assured?

Perhaps he might yield to the wisdom of a well known Democratic President of the past, Franklin D. Roosevelt, "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself" ?????

Or maybe the words of another on his side of the isle, Hillary Clinton when she said during her Presidential campaign about the possibility of Trump possibly not willing to accept the future election results,

"We've been around 240 years. We've had free and fair elections and we've accepted the outcomes when we may not have liked them and that is what must be expected of anyone standing on a debate stage during a general election." Hillary Clinton

She said on twitter a few days later on Oct 24, 2016, "Donald Trump refused to say that he'd respect the results of this election. That's a direct threat to our democracy"

So the question....what can be said about Adam Schiff's statements before the Senate? What did Clinton say someone who takes a position like him would be?

Are TrumpFans now turned off by hyperbole and "politics of fear"?

whatbogsends · Jan 23, 2020

GoldenBoy89 said:
Fair enough. I was under the impression that it was much more common among his supporters that being friendly to Russia was a better alternative to being antagonistic towards them, hence Trump being their better choice in the matter.

It was repeated by his supporters on these forums on multiple occasions.

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