Virginia HB961 - Actual gun confiscation unless you register it with the state

variant · Jan 21, 2020

HannahT said:
Okay. People get all preachy about federal and state laws.

Now, Sanctuary cities for whatever issue they use is 'making stuff up as we please' now.

I wish they could work something out, but I don't know what it is going to work when your police - or court system - won't enforce the laws in place. Which many countries have said they won't do when it comes to this issue. It's the same thing for another issue too.

It's going to be a mess.

Whatever you feel about sanctuary cities is what we would call off topic.

variant · Jan 21, 2020

Aldebaran said:
The muskets and cannons of the time when the constitution was written weren't registered.

So what? Are you actually arguing that I should have the right to have a cannon without a permit or a registration via the Constitution? If so, I think your opinion is ridiculous.

TLK Valentine · Jan 21, 2020

variant said:
The problem here is that registering the weapons doesn't infringe on peoples right to have them.

To make the case that the law in question is unconstitutional you have to actually show that it has, not just be worried about it happening in the future.

Odd the the very tools one collects to feel more secure only serve as a source of insecurity... the fear of losing them to some nefarious conspiracy is never far away.

variant · Jan 21, 2020

TLK Valentine said:
Odd the the very tools one collects to feel more secure only serve as a source of insecurity... the fear of losing them to some nefarious conspiracy is never far away.

I'm sympathetic to peoples right to own weapons, not the idea that weapons alone would work to protect rights, or the paranoia that every bill meant to regulate those weapons is the same as a constitutional violation to remove them entirely.

essentialsaltes · Jan 22, 2020

Skewpoint said:
That was a sad wiki to read.

Things are looking up.

pgp_protector · Jan 22, 2020

98cwitr said:
As most guns used in crimes by felons are stolen from people's homes, and as most accidental discharges resulting in the injury or death of a child are both from firearms that are unsecured, I think it's reasonable to at least to have you agree to safely store your firearm. I really didn't have much of an opinion on this until I had children. That said, if my 15 year old is home alone and someone tries to break in, I think they need a way of protecting themselves too.

And If I live alone, why do I need to lock them up?
If my house is broken into, they're going to break into what ever is keeping them locked up. Or are we then going to have a minimum requirement of both securing a house & securing the locking container?

pgp_protector · Jan 22, 2020

variant said:
So what? Are you actually arguing that I should have the right to have a cannon without a permit or a registration via the Constitution? If so, I think your opinion is ridiculous.

Cannons aren't covered by the NFA

10 Crazy Weapons that are Still Legal in the US

variant · Jan 22, 2020

pgp_protector said:
Cannons aren't covered by the NFA
10 Crazy Weapons that are Still Legal in the US

They don't have to be. States have all sorts of cannon regulations. None of them are unconstitutional.

I also think that website is simply wrong on the law.

For the purposes of the National Firearms Act, the term “Destructive Device” means:

A missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than 1/4 oz.
Any type of weapon by whatever name known which will, or which may readily be converted to expel a projectile, by the action of an explosive or other propellant, the barrel or barrels of which have a bore greater than one-half inch in diameter.
A combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting a device into a destructive device and from which a destructive device can be readily assembled.

Firearms - Guides - Importation & Verification of Firearms - National Firearms Act Definitions - Destructive Device | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

For their purposes I think it falls under the "antique" category.

Aldebaran · Jan 23, 2020

TLK Valentine said:
Then we are in agreement. As armed protesters get better results than unarmed ones, perhaps our friends on the left should reconsider their stance against firearms in regards to civil disobedience.

Antifa already comes armed with weapons.

TLK Valentine said:
So it's hardly the first time armed protests stayed nice and civil... our left wing friends might consider that when dealing with the 45th president.

They've already showed from the day Trump was inaugurated whether or not they're able to stay civil. Donald Trump inauguration protests spread across the US

Not to mention their mental status while "attempting" to do so:

Aldebaran · Jan 23, 2020

variant said:
So what? Are you actually arguing that I should have the right to have a cannon without a permit or a registration via the Constitution? If so, I think your opinion is ridiculous.

It goes along quite nicely with the folks who point out that AR15s weren't around when the constitution was written, and therefore the framers didn't have the ownership of those types of weapons in mind when they wrote that amendment.

Aldebaran · Jan 23, 2020

TLK Valentine said:
Odd the the very tools one collects to feel more secure only serve as a source of insecurity... the fear of losing them to some nefarious conspiracy is never far away.

The threat of losing them wouldn't be there if the Left wasn't trying to ban them, and then threatening to confiscate them when they get the chance. Either that or just require them to be registered, then ban them, and then arrest whoever doesn't surrender them to the government.

TLK Valentine · Jan 23, 2020

Aldebaran said:
Antifa already comes armed with weapons.

Antifa's problem has always been a lack of focus, not firepower.

TLK Valentine · Jan 23, 2020

Aldebaran said:
The threat of losing them wouldn't be there if the Left wasn't trying to ban them, and then threatening to confiscate them when they get the chance.

Always someone else responsible for all the right's misery.... always a problem the almighty gun can't solve.

Either that or just require them to be registered, then ban them, and then arrest whoever doesn't surrender them to the government.

Registration ---> ban? How odd.

Aldebaran · Jan 23, 2020

TLK Valentine said:
Antifa's problem has always been a lack of focus, not firepower.

Their problem is the lack of self-control of their violent tendencies:

The other problem is those who support what they do enough to ignore that violence.

Aldebaran · Jan 23, 2020

TLK Valentine said:
Always someone else responsible for all the right's misery.... always a problem the almighty gun can't solve.

And who is responsible for the Left being miserable for the past 3 years?

TLK Valentine said:
Registration ---> ban? How odd.

Only to those who also don't understand 1+1=2.

TLK Valentine · Jan 23, 2020

Aldebaran said:
Their problem is the lack of self-control of their violent tendencies:

My point exactly. Anger without focus is chaos. Anger with focus is activism.

TLK Valentine · Jan 23, 2020

Aldebaran said:
And who is responsible for the Left being miserable for the past 3 years?

Themselves, of course.

Only to those who also don't understand 1+1=2.

2=ban? How odd.

Speedwell · Jan 23, 2020

Aldebaran said:
The threat of losing them wouldn't be there if the Left wasn't trying to ban them, and then threatening to confiscate them when they get the chance. Either that or just require them to be registered, then ban them, and then arrest whoever doesn't surrender them to the government.

The weapons themselves and the threat of armed resistance they imply are supposed to insure you against the threat of losing them. What good are they if they won't do that?

Aldebaran · Jan 23, 2020

TLK Valentine said:
My point exactly. Anger without focus is chaos. Anger with focus is activism.

Don't forget the violence. Their anger without breaking windows and setting businesses and cars on fire would be empty feelings. Gotta have that violence--uh, I mean outrage. Gotta do those riots---I mean protests!

Aldebaran · Jan 23, 2020

TLK Valentine said:
Themselves, of course.

I appreciate your taking of responsibility rather than blaming Donald.

TLK Valentine said:
2=ban? How odd.

Like I said, those who don't understand.

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